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#15477 From: mobinem@...
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 11:09 pm
Subject: Titles 26 & 15
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The following contains a complete reference from Title 26 detailing the distinctions between INTERNAL REVENUE and INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. INTERNAL REVENUE deals with taxes on liquor, tobacco and firearms. INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE deals with the collection of assessed taxes for the TREASURY and the INTERNAL REVENUE.
This concludes my cursory study of the distinctions. After reading the following listed sections I believe you all will agree with my conclusion that Title 26 does not apply to controversies dealing with the ability of the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect taxes.
6404
7214-7217
7516-7517
7521
7608
7622
7624
7802-7808
7802 especially (b)(1)(c)
7803 especially (1)(A)
7806 especially (b)
 
Nowhere in Title 26 is it stated that the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE has anything to do with assessing taxes, that is done by either the TREASURY or INTERNAL REVENUE.  The distinctions between the two are far to numerous to accept as a scribners error. The intent becomes obvious while reading the aforementioned sections.
 


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#15478 From: mobinem@...
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 2:51 pm
Subject: Title 15
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I am getting a lot of calls and e-mails on Title 15 so I will try to explain our concept again. Use this with the previous explanation and people interested should understand the concept with very little research.
 
The first rule of winning in court is to win before court. The second rule is to make the other party argue about something other than the case at hand. IRS attorneys know this, so should we.
 
 Going to court and arguing about taxes using Title 26 is ineffective for the following reasons.
1) Title 26 is used by the government to determine the tax. see Title 26
2) The IRS is a debt collection service, not a government agency. see Diversified Metal v. T-Bow trust/IRS
3) The bill issued by the U.S. TREASURY (under Title 26) becomes a debt collected by the IRS (which has to follow Title 15).
4) If you fight the IRS under Title 26, you are fighting something they have nothing to do with. It is like contesting the electric bill to the mail man, he will just think you are a nag and he can't do anything about it anyhow.
5) The bill has already been adjudicated under nihil dicit judgement and stands if not contested under Title 15. You can not contest the bill under Title 26 since that is the government code on how to figure the bill, not the bill itself.
6) Demanding the IRS verify the assessment (read as bill) requires them to cease and desist (under Title 15) until the supply the docs.
7) The IRS can not supply the requisite docs and therefore you have beat them before court. see rule 1
8) If you go to court you can argue the correct issue, the bill, not how they determined the bill, thusly you can win by arguing the right argument. see rule 2
9) You can force the IRS to do the action in the judicial district, ie the court nearest the debtor, which they will not do, and therefore you won't go to court. see YHWH's scriptures.
  a) See; TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 76 > Subchapter A > § 7408

§ 7408. Actions to enjoin specified conduct related to tax shelters and reportable transactions

(d) Citizens and residents outside the United States

If any citizen or resident of the United States does not reside in, and does not have his principal place of business in, any United States judicial district, such citizen or resident shall be treated for purposes of this section as residing in the District of Columbia.

 

I know this seems over simplified, but a cursory study of unsuccessful IRS litigation against their victims will lead one to determine that one of the common denominators of acquittals is that somewhere or somehow the victim did some type of assessment request that was never affirmed. This is diametrically opposed to all the victims that lost using Title 26 and the absence of applicability to the code.

 

In summary, just like a charge in a traffic ticket, don't fight the law and their reasoning, deny the bill and require them to prove it exists as a matter of record, before they make it a matter of record under nihil dicit judgement because you didn't deny it.

 

Example:

A contractOR (government under Title 26) issues you (contractEE) a bill through their third party collection service (IRS), you do not respond. Third party collector service, whose actions and remedies are defined in Title 15, goes to court ex-parte and receives a nihil dicit judgement. You get dragged into a foreign court (USDC) and attempt to fight the contractOR and their rules for issuing the bill under the Constitution and/or Title 26, neither of which applies, since it is the bill being discussed not the entity that issued the bill or how said entity determined the amount. Any attorney would tell you this is a waste of time. You (contractEE) must first void the bill under the appropriate code (Title 15) and demand the case be kept in the proper jurisdiction (nearest judicial district).

In essence, Title 26 applies to the government entity that determined the bill and Title 15 applies to the collection agency attacking you for payment. Its almost incomprehensible to believe that legally Title 26, THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE has little to do with the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. This appears to be a well orchestrated word trick.



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#15479 From: mobinem@...
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 10:50 am
Subject: title 15
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For those of you having IRS issues:
 
I know someone who wishes to remain anonymous but wants his story out. I can attest to the hassles he went through with the IRS and know that it has been a long time since he has had to deal with them. Over a few years he has accumulated an enormous amount of documentation and had repeated communications with the IRS. They eventually dragged him into UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT and during the trial he changed his direction and used Title 15 instead of Title 26 and the Constitution. The case eventually stopped.
 
His new contention was simple and in some ways similar to my charge concept, it is all about the bill not the law. Title 15 relates to "verified assessment", in other words the collector must provide proof to validate the debt and any case involving debt must be held in the judicial district court. The concept is that the evil ones have circumvented the Constitution and use their law, Title 26, as a way to confuse their victims. Tax law does not apply since the IRS is strictly a debt collection agency, thusly they are required to follow Title 15. The IRS has no way to verify the debt even if they can verify taxes. W-2's and 1099's are only evidence that some one has paid something, not that someone owes something.
 
After reading all of Title 15 Chapter 41 Sub V section 1692 I can see his point is valid. Knowing that IRS is by corporate charter and their own admission a debt collection agency this all seems to make sense. I have started using this information in my own situation and will keep the group informed on the situation. This man told me he sent one letter, received a very uninformative denial response and sent a response to that response. This was done during his trial. He has not heard anything since, which was over a year ago. His case was terminated with no decision. I looked it up and the court just says CLOSED AND SEALED.  I have not seen a case terminated this way.
 
Conclusion: Once again it seems the evil one's primary strategy is to get us to fight the wrong battle. Although Title 26 is the Internal Revenue Code, the IRS is just a collection agency and thereby is required to follow Title 15. If we don't force them to verify the debt then we are agreeing the "bill" is valid. This, to me, is no different than the court tricking us into fighting an accusation when we should be fighting a charge.
 
Bear, you may want to delete the next 10 pages since it is easy to look up.
 

TITLE 15 > CHAPTER 41 > SUBCHAPTER V > § 1692

 

§ 1692. Congressional findings and declaration of purpose

(a) Abusive practices

There is abundant evidence of the use of abusive, deceptive, and unfair debt collection practices by many debt collectors. Abusive debt collection practices contribute to the number of personal bankruptcies, to marital instability, to the loss of jobs, and to invasions of individual privacy.

(b) Inadequacy of laws

Existing laws and procedures for redressing these injuries are inadequate to protect consumers.

(c) Available non-abusive collection methods

Means other than misrepresentation or other abusive debt collection practices are available for the effective collection of debts.

(d) Interstate commerce

Abusive debt collection practices are carried on to a substantial extent in interstate commerce and through means and instrumentalities of such commerce. Even where abusive debt collection practices are purely intrastate in character, they nevertheless directly affect interstate commerce.

(e) Purposes

It is the purpose of this subchapter to eliminate abusive debt collection practices by debt collectors, to insure that those debt collectors who refrain from using abusive debt collection practices are not competitively disadvantaged, and to promote consistent State action to protect consumers against debt collection abuses.

 

§ 1692a. Definitions

As used in this subchapter—

(1) The term “Commission” means the Federal Trade Commission.

(2) The term “communication” means the conveying of information regarding a debt directly or indirectly to any person through any medium.

(3) The term “consumer” means any natural person obligated or allegedly obligated to pay any debt.

(4) The term “creditor” means any person who offers or extends credit creating a debt or to whom a debt is owed, but such term does not include any person to the extent that he receives an assignment or transfer of a debt in default solely for the purpose of facilitating collection of such debt for another.

(5) The term “debt” means any obligation or alleged obligation of a consumer to pay money arising out of a transaction in which the money, property, insurance, or services which are the subject of the transaction are primarily for personal, family, or household purposes, whether or not such obligation has been reduced to judgment.

(6) The term “debt collector” means any person who uses any instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the collection of any debts, or who regularly collects or attempts to collect, directly or indirectly, debts owed or due or asserted to be owed or due another. Notwithstanding the exclusion provided by clause (F) of the last sentence of this paragraph, the term includes any creditor who, in the process of collecting his own debts, uses any name other than his own which would indicate that a third person is collecting or attempting to collect such debts. For the purpose of section 1692f (6) of this title, such term also includes any person who uses any instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the enforcement of security interests. The term does not include—

(A) any officer or employee of a creditor while, in the name of the creditor, collecting debts for such creditor;

(B) any person while acting as a debt collector for another person, both of whom are related by common ownership or affiliated by corporate control, if the person acting as a debt collector does so only for persons to whom it is so related or affiliated and if the principal business of such person is not the collection of debts;

(C) any officer or employee of the United States or any State to the extent that collecting or attempting to collect any debt is in the performance of his official duties;

(D) any person while serving or attempting to serve legal process on any other person in connection with the judicial enforcement of any debt;

(E) any nonprofit organization which, at the request of consumers, performs bona fide consumer credit counseling and assists consumers in the liquidation of their debts by receiving payments from such consumers and distributing such amounts to creditors; and

(F) any person collecting or attempting to collect any debt owed or due or asserted to be owed or due another to the extent such activity

(i) is incidental to a bona fide fiduciary obligation or a bona fide escrow arrangement;

(ii) concerns a debt which was originated by such person;

(iii) concerns a debt which was not in default at the time it was obtained by such person; or

(iv) concerns a debt obtained by such person as a secured party in a commercial credit transaction involving the creditor.

(7) The term “location information” means a consumer’s place of abode and his telephone number at such place, or his place of employment.

(8) The term “State” means (please note it says means here instead of includes) any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any political subdivision of any of the foregoing.

 

§ 1692b. Acquisition of location information

Any debt collector communicating with any person other than the consumer for the purpose of acquiring location information about the consumer shall—

(1) identify himself (using a pseudonym is not identifying oneself), state that he is confirming or correcting location information concerning the consumer, and, only if expressly requested, identify his employer;

(2) not state that such consumer owes any debt (IRS forms violate this);

(3) not communicate with any such person more than once unless requested to do so by such person or unless the debt collector reasonably believes that the earlier response of such person is erroneous or incomplete and that such person now has correct or complete location information;

(4) not communicate by post card;

(5) not use any language or symbol on any envelope or in the contents of any communication effected by the mails or telegram that indicates that the debt collector is in the debt collection business or that the communication relates to the collection of a debt (IRS forms violate this); and

(6) after the debt collector knows the consumer is represented by an attorney with regard to the subject debt and has knowledge of, or can readily ascertain, such attorney’s name and address, not communicate with any person other than that attorney, unless the attorney fails to respond within a reasonable period of time to communication from the debt collector.

 

§ 1692c. Communication in connection with debt collection

(a) Communication with the consumer generally

Without the prior consent of the consumer given directly to the debt collector or the express permission of a court of competent jurisdiction, a debt collector may not communicate with a consumer in connection with the collection of any debt—

(1) at any unusual time or place or a time or place known or which should be known to be inconvenient to the consumer. In the absence of knowledge of circumstances to the contrary, a debt collector shall assume that the convenient time for communicating with a consumer is after 8 o’clock antemeridian and before 9 o’clock postmeridian, local time at the consumer’s location;

(2) if the debt collector knows the consumer is represented by an attorney with respect to such debt and has knowledge of, or can readily ascertain, such attorney’s name and address, unless the attorney fails to respond within a reasonable period of time to a communication from the debt collector or unless the attorney consents to direct communication with the consumer; or

(3) at the consumer’s place of employment if the debt collector knows or has reason to know that the consumer’s employer prohibits the consumer from receiving such communication.

(b) Communication with third parties

Except as provided in section 1692b of this title, without the prior consent of the consumer given directly to the debt collector, or the express permission of a court of competent jurisdiction, or as reasonably necessary to effectuate a postjudgment judicial remedy, a debt collector may not communicate, in connection with the collection of any debt, with any person other than the consumer, his attorney, a consumer reporting agency if otherwise permitted by law, the creditor, the attorney of the creditor, or the attorney of the debt collector.

(c) Ceasing communication

If a consumer notifies a debt collector in writing that the consumer refuses to pay a debt or that the consumer wishes the debt collector to cease further communication with the consumer, the debt collector shall not communicate further with the consumer with respect to such debt, except—

(1) to advise the consumer that the debt collector’s further efforts are being terminated;

(2) to notify the consumer that the debt collector or creditor may invoke specified remedies which are ordinarily invoked by such debt collector or creditor; or

(3) where applicable, to notify the consumer that the debt collector or creditor intends to invoke a specified remedy.

If such notice from the consumer is made by mail, notification shall be complete upon receipt.

(d) “Consumer” defined

For the purpose of this section, the term “consumer” includes the consumer’s spouse, parent (if the consumer is a minor), guardian, executor, or administrator.

 

§ 1692d. Harassment or abuse

A debt collector may not engage in any conduct the natural consequence of which is to harass, oppress, or abuse any person in connection with the collection of a debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:

(1) The use or threat of use of violence or other criminal means to harm the physical person, reputation, or property of any person.

(2) The use of obscene or profane language or language the natural consequence of which is to abuse the hearer or reader.

(3) The publication of a list of consumers who allegedly refuse to pay debts, except to a consumer reporting agency or to persons meeting the requirements of section 1681a (f) or 1681b (3) [1] of this title.

(4) The advertisement for sale of any debt to coerce payment of the debt.

(5) Causing a telephone to ring or engaging any person in telephone conversation repeatedly or continuously with intent to annoy, abuse, or harass any person at the called number.

(6) Except as provided in section 1692b of this title, the placement of telephone calls without meaningful disclosure of the caller’s identity.

 

§ 1692e. False or misleading representations (the IRS violates everything in this section)

A debt collector may not use any false, deceptive, or misleading representation (IRS forms violate this in several ways) or means in connection with the collection of any debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:

(1) The false representation or implication that the debt collector is vouched for, bonded by, or affiliated with the United States or any State, including the use of any badge, uniform, or facsimile thereof. (too many violations to list for this one)

(2) The false representation of—

(A) the character, amount, or legal status of any debt; or

(B) any services rendered or compensation which may be lawfully received by any debt collector for the collection of a debt.

(3) The false representation or implication that any individual is an attorney or that any communication is from an attorney.

(4) The representation or implication that nonpayment of any debt will result in the arrest or imprisonment of any person or the seizure, garnishment, attachment, or sale of any property or wages of any person unless such action is lawful and the debt collector or creditor intends to take such action.

(5) The threat to take any action that cannot legally be taken or that is not intended to be taken.

(6) The false representation or implication that a sale, referral, or other transfer of any interest in a debt shall cause the consumer to—

(A) lose any claim or defense to payment of the debt; or

(B) become subject to any practice prohibited by this subchapter.

(7) The false representation or implication that the consumer committed any crime or other conduct in order to disgrace the consumer.

(8) Communicating or threatening to communicate to any person credit information which is known or which should be known to be false, including the failure to communicate that a disputed debt is disputed.

(9) The use or distribution of any written communication which simulates or is falsely represented to be a document authorized, issued, or approved by any court, official, or agency of the United States or any State, or which creates a false impression as to its source, authorization, or approval.

(10) The use of any false representation or deceptive means to collect or attempt to collect any debt or to obtain information concerning a consumer.

(11) The failure to disclose in the initial written communication with the consumer and, in addition, if the initial communication with the consumer is oral, in that initial oral communication, that the debt collector is attempting to collect a debt and that any information obtained will be used for that purpose, and the failure to disclose in subsequent communications that the communication is from a debt collector, except that this paragraph shall not apply to a formal pleading made in connection with a legal action.

(12) The false representation or implication that accounts have been turned over to innocent purchasers for value.

(13) The false representation or implication that documents are legal process.

(14) The use of any business, company, or organization name other than the true name of the debt collector’s business, company, or organization.

(15) The false representation or implication that documents are not legal process forms or do not require action by the consumer.

(16) The false representation or implication that a debt collector operates or is employed by a consumer reporting agency as defined by section 1681a (f) of this title.

 

§ 1692f. Unfair practices

A debt collector may not use unfair or unconscionable means to collect or attempt to collect any debt. Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this section:

(1) The collection of any amount (including any interest, fee, charge, or expense incidental to the principal obligation) unless such amount is expressly authorized by the agreement creating the debt or permitted by law.

(2) The acceptance by a debt collector from any person of a check or other payment instrument postdated by more than five days unless such person is notified in writing of the debt collector’s intent to deposit such check or instrument not more than ten nor less than three business days prior to such deposit.

(3) The solicitation by a debt collector of any postdated check or other postdated payment instrument for the purpose of threatening or instituting criminal prosecution.

(4) Depositing or threatening to deposit any postdated check or other postdated payment instrument prior to the date on such check or instrument.

(5) Causing charges to be made to any person for communications by concealment of the true purpose of the communication. Such charges include, but are not limited to, collect telephone calls and telegram fees.

(6) Taking or threatening to take any nonjudicial action to effect dispossession or disablement of property if—

(A) there is no present right to possession of the property claimed as collateral through an enforceable security interest;

(B) there is no present intention to take possession of the property; or

(C) the property is exempt by law from such dispossession or disablement.

(7) Communicating with a consumer regarding a debt by post card.

(8) Using any language or symbol, other than the debt collector’s address, on any envelope when communicating with a consumer by use of the mails or by telegram, except that a debt collector may use his business name if such name does not indicate that he is in the debt collection business.

 

§ 1692g. Validation of debts

(a) Notice of debt; contents

Within five days after the initial communication with a consumer in connection with the collection of any debt, a debt collector shall, unless the following information is contained in the initial communication or the consumer has paid the debt, send the consumer a written notice containing—

(1) the amount of the debt;

(2) the name of the creditor to whom the debt is owed;

(3) a statement that unless the consumer, within thirty days after receipt of the notice, disputes the validity of the debt, or any portion thereof, the debt will be assumed to be valid by the debt collector;

(4) a statement that if the consumer notifies the debt collector in writing within the thirty-day period that the debt, or any portion thereof, is disputed, the debt collector will obtain verification of the debt or a copy of a judgment against the consumer and a copy of such verification or judgment will be mailed to the consumer by the debt collector; and

(5) a statement that, upon the consumer’s written request within the thirty-day period, the debt collector will provide the consumer with the name and address of the original creditor, if different from the current creditor.

(b) Disputed debts

If the consumer notifies the debt collector in writing within the thirty-day period described in subsection (a) of this section that the debt, or any portion thereof, is disputed, or that the consumer requests the name and address of the original creditor, the debt collector shall cease collection of the debt, or any disputed portion thereof, until the debt collector obtains verification of the debt or a copy of a judgment, or the name and address of the original creditor, and a copy of such verification or judgment, or name and address of the original creditor, is mailed to the consumer by the debt collector.

(c) Admission of liability

The failure of a consumer to dispute the validity of a debt under this section may not be construed by any court as an admission of liability by the consumer.

 

§ 1692h. Multiple debts

If any consumer owes multiple debts and makes any single payment to any debt collector with respect to such debts, such debt collector may not apply such payment to any debt which is disputed by the consumer and, where applicable, shall apply such payment in accordance with the consumer’s directions.

 

§ 1692i. Legal actions by debt collectors

(a) Venue

Any debt collector who brings any legal action on a debt against any consumer shall—

(1) in the case of an action to enforce an interest in real property securing the consumer’s obligation, bring such action only in a judicial district or similar legal entity in which such real property is located; or

(2) in the case of an action not described in paragraph (1), bring such action only in the judicial district or similar legal entity—

(A) in which such consumer signed the contract sued upon; or

(B) in which such consumer resides at the commencement of the action.

(b) Authorization of actions

Nothing in this subchapter shall be construed to authorize the bringing of legal actions by debt collectors.

 

§ 1692j. Furnishing certain deceptive forms (a) Venue

(a) It is unlawful to design, compile, and furnish any form knowing that such form would be used to create the false belief in a consumer that a person other than the creditor of such consumer is participating in the collection of or in an attempt to collect a debt such consumer allegedly owes such creditor, when in fact such person is not so participating.

(b) Any person who violates this section shall be liable to the same extent and in the same manner as a debt collector is liable under section 1692k of this title for failure to comply with a provision of this subchapter.

 

§ 1692k. Civil liability

(a) Amount of damages

Except as otherwise provided by this section, any debt collector who fails to comply with any provision of this subchapter with respect to any person is liable to such person in an amount equal to the sum of—

(1) any actual damage sustained by such person as a result of such failure;

(2)

(A) in the case of any action by an individual, such additional damages as the court may allow, but not exceeding $1,000; or

(B) in the case of a class action, (i) such amount for each named plaintiff as could be recovered under subparagraph (A), and (ii) such amount as the court may allow for all other class members, without regard to a minimum individual recovery, not to exceed the lesser of $500,000 or 1 per centum of the net worth of the debt collector; and

(3) in the case of any successful action to enforce the foregoing liability, the costs of the action, together with a reasonable attorney’s fee as determined by the court. On a finding by the court that an action under this section was brought in bad faith and for the purpose of harassment, the court may award to the defendant attorney’s fees reasonable in relation to the work expended and costs.

(b) Factors considered by court

In determining the amount of liability in any action under subsection (a) of this section, the court shall consider, among other relevant factors—

(1) in any individual action under subsection (a)(2)(A) of this section, the frequency and persistence of noncompliance by the debt collector, the nature of such noncompliance, and the extent to which such noncompliance was intentional; or

(2) in any class action under subsection (a)(2)(B) of this section, the frequency and persistence of noncompliance by the debt collector, the nature of such noncompliance, the resources of the debt collector, the number of persons adversely affected, and the extent to which the debt collector’s noncompliance was intentional.

(c) Intent

A debt collector may not be held liable in any action brought under this subchapter if the debt collector shows by a preponderance of evidence that the violation was not intentional and resulted from a bona fide error notwithstanding the maintenance of procedures reasonably adapted to avoid any such error.

(d) Jurisdiction

An action to enforce any liability created by this subchapter may be brought in any appropriate United States district court without regard to the amount in controversy, or in any other court of competent jurisdiction, within one year from the date on which the violation occurs.

(e) Advisory opinions of Commission

No provision of this section imposing any liability shall apply to any act done or omitted in good faith in conformity with any advisory opinion of the Commission, notwithstanding that after such act or omission has occurred, such opinion is amended, rescinded, or determined by judicial or other authority to be invalid for any reason.

 

§ 1692l. Administrative enforcement

(a) Federal Trade Commission

Compliance with this subchapter shall be enforced by the Commission, except to the extent that enforcement of the requirements imposed under this subchapter is specifically committed to another agency under subsection (b) of this section. For purpose of the exercise by the Commission of its functions and powers under the Federal Trade Commission Act [15 U.S.C. 41 et seq.], a violation of this subchapter shall be deemed an unfair or deceptive act or practice in violation of that Act. All of the functions and powers of the Commission under the Federal Trade Commission Act are available to the Commission to enforce compliance by any person with this subchapter, irrespective of whether that person is engaged in commerce or meets any other jurisdictional tests in the Federal Trade Commission Act, including the power to enforce the provisions of this subchapter in the same manner as if the violation had been a violation of a Federal Trade Commission trade regulation rule.

(b) Applicable provisions of law

Compliance with any requirements imposed under this subchapter shall be enforced under—

(1) section 8 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act [12 U.S.C. 1818], in the case of—

(A) national banks, and Federal branches and Federal agencies of foreign banks, by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency;

(B) member banks of the Federal Reserve System (other than national banks), branches and agencies of foreign banks (other than Federal branches, Federal agencies, and insured State branches of foreign banks), commercial lending companies owned or controlled by foreign banks, and organizations operating under section 25 or 25(a) [1] of the Federal Reserve Act [12 U.S.C. 601 et seq., 611 et seq.], by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System; and

(C) banks insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (other than members of the Federal Reserve System) and insured State branches of foreign banks, by the Board of Directors of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation;

(2) section 8 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act [12 U.S.C. 1818], by the Director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, in the case of a savings association the deposits of which are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation;

(3) the Federal Credit Union Act [12 U.S.C. 1751 et seq.], by the National Credit Union Administration Board with respect to any Federal credit union;

(4) subtitle IV of title 49, by the Secretary of Transportation, with respect to all carriers subject to the jurisdiction of the Surface Transportation Board;

(5) part A of subtitle VII of title 49, by the Secretary of Transportation with respect to any air carrier or any foreign air carrier subject to that part; and

(6) the Packers and Stockyards Act, 1921 [7 U.S.C. 181 et seq.] (except as provided in section 406 of that Act [7 U.S.C. 226, 227]), by the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to any activities subject to that Act.

The terms used in paragraph (1) that are not defined in this subchapter or otherwise defined in section 3(s) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. 1813 (s)) shall have the meaning given to them in section 1(b) of the International Banking Act of 1978 (12 U.S.C. 3101).

(c) Agency powers

For the purpose of the exercise by any agency referred to in subsection (b) of this section of its powers under any Act referred to in that subsection, a violation of any requirement imposed under this subchapter shall be deemed to be a violation of a requirement imposed under that Act. In addition to its powers under any provision of law specifically referred to in subsection (b) of this section, each of the agencies referred to in that subsection may exercise, for the purpose of enforcing compliance with any requirement imposed under this subchapter any other authority conferred on it by law, except as provided in subsection (d) of this section.

(d) Rules and regulations

Neither the Commission nor any other agency referred to in subsection (b) of this section may promulgate trade regulation rules or other regulations with respect to the collection of debts by debt collectors as defined in this subchapter.

 

 

§ 1692m. Reports to Congress by the Commission; views of other Federal agencies

(a) Not later than one year after the effective date of this subchapter and at one-year intervals thereafter, the Commission shall make reports to the Congress concerning the administration of its functions under this subchapter, including such recommendations as the Commission deems necessary or appropriate. In addition, each report of the Commission shall include its assessment of the extent to which compliance with this subchapter is being achieved and a summary of the enforcement actions taken by the Commission under section 1692l of this title.

(b) In the exercise of its functions under this subchapter, the Commission may obtain upon request the views of any other Federal agency which exercises enforcement functions under section 1692l of this title.

 

§ 1692n. Relation to State laws

This subchapter does not annul, alter, or affect, or exempt any person subject to the provisions of this subchapter from complying with the laws of any State with respect to debt collection practices, except to the extent that those laws are inconsistent with any provision of this subchapter, and then only to the extent of the inconsistency. For purposes of this section, a State law is not inconsistent with this subchapter if the protection such law affords any consumer is greater than the protection provided by this subchapter.

§ 1692o. Exemption for State regulation

The Commission shall by regulation exempt from the requirements of this subchapter any class of debt collection practices within any State if the Commission determines that under the law of that State that class of debt collection practices is subject to requirements substantially similar to those imposed by this subchapter, and that there is adequate provision for enforcement.

 


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#15480 From: mobinem@...
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 4:02 pm
Subject: affidavit per Title 15
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Here is the affidavit I am sending.

                                                )

                                                )                                     AFFIDAVIT

Arizona                                   )   ss.                                      By        

                                                )                          VERIFIED DECLARATION   

                                                )                              

 

 

For: Whom it may concern: In the Matter for Your Name Here, including any and all derivations and variations in the spelling thereof.

 

 

WHEREAS, the public record is the highest evidence form, I, Your Name Here, am hereby timely creating public record with this Affidavit by Verified Declaration in the jurisdiction of Arizona republic and the United States of America.

 

PLAIN STATEMENT OF FACTS

 

1.       Fact: I, Your Name Here, have not seen or been presented with any admissible evidence which demonstrates that, primarily, the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is something  other than a collection agency, and believe that none exists;

2.       Fact: I, Your Name Here, have not seen or been presented with any admissible evidence which demonstrates that, primarily, the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is something other than a corporation incorporated in the State of Delaware in 1933, and believe that none exists;

3.       Fact: I, Your Name Here, have not seen or been presented with any admissible evidence which demonstrates that, primarily, the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is something other than a corporation unlawfully acting under color of law as a government agency, and believe that none exists;

4.       Fact: I, Your Name Here, have not seen or been presented with any admissible evidence which demonstrates that, primarily, that the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is not required to adhere to Title 15 chapter 41 subchapter V  § 1962, and believe that none exists;      

 

                                                                                     

 

                                            UNDISPUTED CONCLUSIONS 

 

TITLE 15 > CHAPTER 41 > SUBCHAPTER V > § 1692 is an act of Congress designed to protect natural persons ,1692a  The term “consumer” means any natural person obligated or allegedly obligated to pay any debt, from abusive collection agency practices, see exhibit 1 of 9 pages;

 

THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is incorporated in Delaware as a collection agency for a Puerto Rico company; INTERNAL REVENUE TAX AND AUDIT SERVICE (IRS) /// For Profit General Delaware Corporation /// Incorporation Date 7/12/33 /// File No. 0325720, see exhibit 2 of 3 pages;

THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is not part of the United States government, see: Diversified Metal Products v. T-Bow Co. Trust / IRS 93-405-E-EJL, see exhibit 3 of 3 pages;

 

Several Corporations involved with the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE are also unlawfully acting under color of law as government agencies, see exhibit 4 of 1 page.

 

 

                                                            NOTICE

 

           Notice for the agent is notice for the principal applies under this notice.

Notification of legal responsibility is “the first essential of due process of law.”  Connally v. General Construction Co., 269 U.S. 385, 391. 

Your silence stands as consent, and tacit approval, for the declarations of facts and conclusions here being established as fact as a law matter and this affidavit will stand as final judgment in this matter.

If no reply is delivered with-in thirty days you are agreeing to the foregoing and are thusly legally estopped pursuant to: Carmine v. Bowen, 64 A. 932, 1906, silence activates estoppel. 

I, Your Name Here, hereby and herein reserve the right, and am the only party with said right, for amending and making amendments to this document as necessary in order that the truth may be ascertained and its proceeding justly determined.

If any living soul has information that will controvert and overcome this Declaration please  advise Me in writing by DECLARATION/AFFIDAVIT FORM within 30, days from receipt hereof, providing Me with your counter Declaration/Affidavit, proving with particularity by stating all requisite actual evidentiary fact and all requisite actual law, and not merely the ultimate facts and law conclusions, that this Affidavit by Verified Declaration is substantially and materially false sufficiently for changing materially my declaration.

The Undersigned, I, Your Name Here, do herewith declare, state and say that I, Your Name Here, issue this with sincere intent in truth, that I, the undersigned am competent by stating the matters set forth herein, that the contents are true, correct, complete, and certain, admissible as evidence, reasonable, not misleading, and by My best knowledge, by Me, the undersigned.         

                                             

This document and all others pertaining to this issue may be recorded and thusly may be used at the discretion of its issuer for any and all matters as so allowed under Rule 902 of the Federal Rules of Evidence and others, including, without limitations, the jurisdiction of the State of Arizona and the United States of America.

 

By my hand, this sixth day of November, 2007, Your Name Here.

 

 

Signed: _____________________________________,                

                                                                                                  All Rights Reserved

Your Name Here

c/o 1234 W. Freedom Way

Phoenix, Arizona republic

near [85000]

 

Arizona state Republic                          )

                                                            ) ss.                           JURAT

Maricopa County                                 )

 

 

On the ___ day of ________, 200__, Your Name Here personally appeared before me and proved to me on the basis of satisfactory evidence to be the person whose name is subscribed hereto and acknowledged to me that he executed the same under asseveration, and accepts the facts thereof.  Subscribed and affirmed before me this day.  Witness my hand and seal this ____ day of __________, 200__.

 

                                                                                                                                            

                                                                              Notary Signature

                                                                             

My Commission expires on the ____ day of ____________, 20____.

 

Affidavit is 2 pages                    Exhibit is 16 pages                             Document number 2

                           certified mail number 7007 0710 0003 8330 1234

                                   Exhibit    4

 

INTERNAL REVENUE TAX AND AUDIT SERVICE (IRS)
For Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 7/12/33
File No. 0325720

FEDERAL RESERVE ASSOCIATION (Federal Reserve)
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 9/13/14
File No. 0042817

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AUTHORITY INC. (CIA)
For Profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 3/9/83
File No. 2004409

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 4/19/89
File No. 2193946

FEDERAL LAND ACQUISITION CORP.
For-profit General Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 8/22/80
File No. 0897960

RTC COMMERCIAL ASSETS TRUST 1995-NP3-2
For-profit Delaware Statutory Trust

Incorporation Date 10/24/95
File No. 2554768

SOCIAL SECURITY CORP, DEPT. OF HEALTH, EDUCATION AND WELFARE
For-Profit General Delaware Corporation

Incorporation Date: 11/13/89
File No. 2213135

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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#15481 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:39 am
Subject: epiphany
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After all the studying I have done on this recent discovery about the THE INTERNAL REVENUE V. THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, something just dawned on me that seems to be missing from Title 26. So here I am at 3 am going through the book from cover to cover and it is nowhere to be found. I get a lot of letters and docs from various agents of the IRS and their assorted cohorts and it is always there, but it is not on any of my copies of Title 26.
I have always hated seeing that satanic looking symbol and it usually makes me cringe more than the stupid wording underneath it. Its their logo, some king of Nazi looking dead eagle. Its everywhere on INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE crap, but it is nowhere to be found in or on the Title 26 book.
Understanding the laws concerning copyrights and trademarks makes me consider this as prima facie evidence my theory is correct. If Title 26 was part of  THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE that logo would be all over the place. The reason it is not is because that would invalidate the logo since it would be used to commit an act of fraud.
This may not seem like a big deal but it would be like McDonalds not putting its GOLDEN ARCHES on its packaging.
 
Study points:
 
       court
nihil dicit judgement
 
       Title 26
IRS logo not on Title 26 book
section 7802 (b)(1)(c)
IRS incorporated in 1933 long after INTERNAL REVENUE already operating
Diversified Metal v. T-Bow Trust / IRS
IR assesses and IRS collects
 
Title 15 Chapter 41 Sub V section 1692
verified assessment
judicial district
 


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#15482 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:59 am
Subject: Title 26
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50 Titles and not one is about private corporations

·         Title 1 General Provisions

·         Title 2 The Congress

·         Title 3 The President

·         Title 4 Flag and Seal, Seat Of Government,and the States

·         Title 5 Government Organization and Employees

·         Appendix to Title 5

·         Title 6 Domestic Security

·         Title 7 Agriculture

·         Title 8 Aliens and Nationality

·         Title 9 Arbitration Title 10 Armed Forces

·         Appendix to Title 10 (Rules of Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces)

·         Title 11 Bankruptcy

·         Appendix to Title 11

·         Title 12 Banks and Banking

·         Title 13 Census

·         Title 14 Coast Guard

·         Title 15 Commerce and Trade

·         Title 16 Conservation

·         Title 17 Copyrights

·         Title 18 Crimes and Criminal Procedure  

·         Appendix to Title 18

·         Title 19 Customs Duties  

·         Title 20 Education  

·         Title 21 Food and Drugs  

·         Title 22 Foreign Relations and Intercourse  

·         Title 23 Highways  

·         Title 24 Hospitals and Asylums  

·         Title 25 Indians  

·         Title 26 Internal Revenue Code  not internal revenue service code

·         Appendix to Title 26

·         Title 27 Intoxicating Liquors  

·         Title 28 Judiciary and Judicial Procedure  

·         Appendix to Title 28

·         Title 29 Labor  

·         Title 30 Mineral Lands and Mining  

·         Title 31 Money and Finance  

·         Title 32 National Guard  

·         Title 33 Navigation and Navigable Waters  

·         Title 34 Navy (repealed)  

·         Title 35 Patents  

·         Title 36 Patriotic Societies and Observances  

·         Title 37 Pay and Allowances Of the Uniformed Services  

·         Title 38 Veterans' Benefits  

·         Appendix to Title 38 (Rules of Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims()

·         Title 39 Postal Service  

·         Title 40 Public Buildings, Property, and Works  

·         Title 41 Public Contracts  

·         Title 42 The Public Health and Welfare  

·         Title 43 Public Lands  

·         Title 44 Public Printing and Documents  

·         Title 45 Railroads  

·         Title 46 Shipping  

·         Appendix to Title 46

·         Title 47 Telegraphs, Telephones, and Radiotelegraphs  

·         Title 48 Territories and Insular Possessions  

·         Title 49 Transportation  

·         Title 50 War and National Defense  

 


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#15483 From: WW011@...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:34 pm
Subject: I wonder
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Hey gang,
I got a "letter of account Status" from the FTB (Franchise Tax board) the
state tax in California, and it says:
"In reviewing our personal income tax records, we have determined that you
may have an unpaid state tax liability for the above tax years. [98-05)
"To help us update our records, please advise us if one of the following
applies to you":

*  You received a discharge from a bankruptcy court.
*  Your federal liability was canceled by the Internal Revenue Service.
*  Our Liability should be canceled for other reasons.

I thought it was MY liability?

I wonder if they're finally realizing that it is not MY liability at all, but
a fraudulent made up PFA (Plucked From Air)!
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#15484 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:55 pm
Subject: IR v. IRS
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How it works.
THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE gives you their docs that you fill out, or they fill out. They then give the docs to THE INTERNAL REVENUE which says, "oh look this guy owes us this money". THE INTERNAL REVENUE  then gets a nihil dicit judgement making the debt valid and turns the bill over to the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, a private for profit collection agency, for collection. You then fight THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE on the validity, which was already covertly adjudicated, under Title 26. The judge considers you insane since he knows Title 26 has nothing to do with THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE and ONLY concerns itself with THE INTERNAL REVENUE. Which would be like taking something you bought at WALMART back to KMART.
 
This is also exactly what ALL other debt collection companies due for their vendors.


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#15485 From: Michael Noonan <mn_chicago@...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:45 am
Subject: Re: new concept
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--- mobinem@... wrote:

> When the IRS charges someone with willful failure to
> file under civil law

Bear in mind that when the IRS charges someone with
willful failure to file, the charge is bogus because
the willful failure is a penalty clause, and a
'charge' cannot  eminate from a penalty clause.

It goes without saying, most do not know this and
never contest it.  Unchallenged, the courts will allow
it.

Good info.

Cheers!

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#15486 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:12 pm
Subject: Re: new concept
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In a message dated 11/10/2007 9:08:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, mn_chicago@... writes:
Bear in mind that when the IRS charges someone with
willful failure to file, the charge is bogus because
the willful failure is a penalty clause, and a
'charge' cannot eminate from a penalty clause.
there is no accusation in civil law, charge in civil law means bill. That is the trick.
when you are charged with you are actually billed for , they want you to think you are being accused so you fight wrong.

 
 


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#15487 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:43 pm
Subject: Nov 5, 2007
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Just for information:
November 5 , 2007 was the day that some guy, through a serious of rather bizarre discoveries and epiphanies made a great discovery, really YHWH slapped some sense into this guy. That discovery being nothing more than a simple word game; THE INTERNAL REVENUE  and THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE are two distinct and separate entities.
When all the lawyers decide to quit defending their education and their own opinions and open their eyes to the simple fact that Title 26 has nothing at all to do with THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE and from its very beginning the confusion was purposeful and done with malice aforethought.
I have received so many reports from all other the country from people who now know why the IRS is leaving them alone. These people, some by accident and some on purpose required the IRS to verify the assessment, some with and some without mentioning Title 15. Regardless, once these people demanded the verification the IRS went away.
My advice to everyone is to treat the IRS like it is what it is, a private debt collector. None of us would use Title 26 to argue against a credit card company's collector service and in all reality that is all the IRS is. Their incorporation documents confirm this.
Don't forget, there is no accusation in civil court, charge in civil law means bill, nothing else. Treat a bill as a bill.

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#15488 From: "David L. Miner" <dminer@...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:23 am
Subject: RE: IR v. IRS
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I seem to be having a problem understanding the rules or else Bear doesn't want me to gently challenge you with questions.  So I am going to tell you that you are wrong and see if this clears the censors.
 
There is no Internal Revenue.  There is the Commissioner of Internal Revenue and the service that he administers, the Internal Revenue Service.  The Internal Revenue receives nothing from the Internal Revenue Service.  The Internal Revenue gets no form of judgment whatsoever because it cannot and does not go to court.  It can't because there is no such thing as Internal Revenue.  There are no court documents and no government documents that create, establish, or admit the existence of the Internal Revenue as an agency or organization separate from the Internal Revenue Service.  There are only full references to the Internal Revenue Service and shortened references to the Internal Revenue, and VERY few of those.
 
Sometimes people get lazy. People refer to me as Dave, as David, as Dave Miner, and as David Miner.  I see no evidence that they are referring to four different people.  The Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution the "United States" and the "United States of America."  I see no evidence that the Founding Fathers were creating two separate countries.  Congress created the Commissioner of Internal Revenue.  The Treasury created the Internal Revenue Service by a prior name and then Congress renamed it to the Internal Revenue Service.  All this is in federal documents.  Until you proposed it, I have never heard of anyone attempting to claim or document that there was a difference between the Internal Revenue and the Internal Revenue Service.
 
I think you are proposing ideas that will do nothing but hurt Patriots should they appear in court.
 
And I have never seen or heard of any reference other than claims by Patriots with absolutely no evidence that the IRS is ONLY a private collection agency.  It is true that PART of the responsibilities of the IRS is to collect overdue taxes, which the fed govt views as a debt.  But a private collection agency?  NOT!
 
Now, I would love it if you can produce any documentation that proves or even suggests me to be wrong.
 
Yours in financial freedom,
Dave Miner


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How it works.
THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE gives you their docs that you fill out, or they fill out. They then give the docs to THE INTERNAL REVENUE which says, "oh look this guy owes us this money". THE INTERNAL REVENUE  then gets a nihil dicit judgement making the debt valid and turns the bill over to the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, a private for profit collection agency, for collection. You then fight THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE on the validity, which was already covertly adjudicated, under Title 26. The judge considers you insane since he knows Title 26 has nothing to do with THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE and ONLY concerns itself with THE INTERNAL REVENUE. Which would be like taking something you bought at WALMART back to KMART.
 
This is also exactly what ALL other debt collection companies due for their vendors.


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#15489 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:29 am
Subject: Re: IR v. IRS
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In a message dated 11/10/2007 10:36:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, dminer@... writes:
I seem to be having a problem understanding the rules or else Bear doesn't want me to gently challenge you with questions.  So I am going to tell you that you are wrong and see if this clears the censors.
It appears to have gotten through.
 
 
There is no Internal Revenue. 
Title 26 is the INTERNEL REVENUE CODE, not the INTERNAL REVENUS SERVICE CODE
There is the Commissioner of Internal Revenue and the service that he administers,
No, he the Commissioner of the INTERNAL REVENUE sits on the board of oversight of the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. see Title 26 section (b)(1)(c)
the Internal Revenue Service.  The Internal Revenue receives nothing from the Internal Revenue Service.  The Internal Revenue gets no form of judgment whatsoever because it cannot and does not go to court.  It can't because there is no such thing as Internal Revenue. 
Originally called Bureau of INTERNAL REVENUE
There are no court documents and no government documents that create, establish, or admit the existence of the Internal Revenue
Try Title 26
as an agency or organization separate from the Internal Revenue Service. 
A Commissioner can not be on the oversight board of his own agency, see conflict of interest.
There are only full references to the Internal Revenue Service and shortened references to the Internal Revenue, and VERY few of those.
 
Sometimes people get lazy. People refer to me as Dave, as David, as Dave Miner, and as David Miner.  I see no evidence that they are referring to four different people. 
Sometimes evil plays tricks and calls things names to confuse people, sometimes evil evens changes definitions of words.. "first confuse their language", Lenin. see FEDERAL RESERVE, definition of person, etc.
The Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution the "United States" and the "United States of America."  I see no evidence that the Founding Fathers were creating two separate countries.  Congress created the Commissioner of Internal Revenue.  The Treasury created the Internal Revenue Service by a prior name and then Congress renamed it to the Internal Revenue Service.  All this is in federal documents. 
Nope, the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE was incorporated in Delaware in 1933. see INTERNAL REVENUE TAX AND AUDIT SERVICE (IRS) /// For Profit General Delaware Corporation /// Incorporation Date 7/12/33 /// File No. 0325720,
Until you proposed it, I have never heard of anyone attempting to claim or document that there was a difference between the Internal Revenue and the Internal Revenue Service.
Exactly, and until I tried to discover a commonality in the cases where people as opposed to losing for the lack of that commonality, I would have never thought it either. Except for the fact I was asleep at the time and it came as an epiphany.
 
 
I think you are proposing ideas that will do nothing but hurt Patriots should they appear in court.
So far, patriots are contracting me letting me know they now know why they won and want to get the word out. By treating the IRS like the private debt collection service it is, patriots are winning. Basically, most patriots know that the IRS does not want to supply a 23c or an Individual Master File, and under Title 15 they would either have to supply such or take a walk. Again, so far, the IRS chooses to take the walk.
 
 
And I have never seen or heard of any reference other than claims by Patriots with absolutely no evidence that the IRS is ONLY a private collection agency.  It is true that PART of the responsibilities of the IRS is to collect overdue taxes, which the fed govt views as a debt.  But a private collection agency?  NOT!
How about Diversified Metals v. T-Bow Trust / IRS.." the United States government is not a proper party, THE INITED STATES OF AMERICA is". How about their own incorporation documents.
 
Now, I would love it if you can produce any documentation that proves or even suggests me to be wrong.
I have repeatedly, so have others. Please note that the FEDERAL RESERVE is also not part of the government, it is also a private corporation. The INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is the FEDERAL RESERVES debt collector also, the bill being issued by the INTERNAL REVENUE.
 
 
I know what I have discovered appears to turn everything people have worked on for years upside down. But most of those people have lost several times for every win.
 
In rebuttal, can you find even one case where a victim enforced Title 15 against the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE and lost? I have not been able to. So if you want to think I am wrong, ok. But, if invoking Title 15 gets them to leave people alone, why not use it?

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#15490 From: mobinem@...
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: IR v. IRS
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In a message dated 11/11/2007 11:57:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, mobinem@... writes:
 
There is the Commissioner of Internal Revenue and the service that he administers,
No, he the Commissioner of the INTERNAL REVENUE sits on the board of oversight of the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. see Title 26 section (b)(1)(c)
should say Title 26 section 7802 (b)(1)(c)
The Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution the "United Exactly, and until I tried to discover a commonality in the cases where people add won as opposed to losing for the lack of that commonality, I would have never thought it either. Except for the fact I was asleep at the time and it came as an epiphany.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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#15491 From: "rebel382003" <liberty@...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: new concept
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mobinem@... has written:

> > When the IRS charges someone with willful failure to
> > file under civil law

The concept is inane.  A criminal charge is a non sequitur with
civil law.


   Michael Noonan has written:

> Bear in mind that when the IRS charges someone with
> willful failure to file, the charge is bogus because
> the willful failure is a penalty clause, and a
> 'charge' cannot  eminate from a penalty clause.
> It goes without saying, most do not know this and
> never contest it.  Unchallenged, the courts will allow
> it.

Well said.  The supreme court declared Chapter 75, Part I (26 USC
7201 through 7217) can be applied to ALL taxes collected by the
IRS.  Sansone v United States, 380 US 343, 348 and relied upon the
Congressional Record.  If they can be applied to ALL taxes, they
therefore cannot identify the required known legal duty that must be
averred for an indictment to be valid.

Reb

#15492 From: dolores rudd <dkrudd@...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:19 pm
Subject: IR v IRS
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Perhaps checking out other titles may help relieve any doubts regarding Internal Revenue and Internal Revenue Service.
 
There is a Tax and Trade Bureau in addition to the Internal Revenue Service and the Bureau of Alcohol ... 31 USC Sec 713 "Audit of Internal Revenue Service, Tax and Trade Bureau, and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives"


(b)(1) (B) "records and property of, or used by, the Service or either Bureau, shall be made available to the Comptroller General."

 
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE
    SUBTITLE I - GENERAL
    CHAPTER 7 - GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE
    SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL DUTIES AND POWERS

-HEAD-

    Sec. 713. Audit of Internal Revenue Service, Tax and Trade Bureau, and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives

-STATUTE-

(a) Under regulations of the Comptroller General, the Comptroller

    General shall audit the Internal Revenue Service and the Tax and


    Trade Bureau, Department of the Treasury, and the Bureau of


    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Department of Justice


    of the Department of the Treasury.(!1) An audit under this section


    does not affect a final decision of the Secretary of the Treasury


    under section 6406 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C.


    6406).


      (b)(1) To carry out this section and to the extent provided by


    and only subject to section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code of


    1986 (26 U.S.C. 6103) -


        (A) returns and return information (as defined in section


      6103(b) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 6103(b))


      shall be made available to the Comptroller General; and


        (B) records and property of, or used by, the Service or either


      Bureau, shall be made available to the Comptroller General.


      (2) At least once every 6 months, the Comptroller General shall


    designate each officer and employee of the Government


    Accountability Office by name and title to whom returns, return


    information, or records or property of the Service or either Bureau


    that can identify a particular taxpayer may be made available. Each


    designation or a certified copy of the designation shall be sent to


    the Committee on Finance of the Senate, the Committee on Ways and


    Means of the House of Representatives, the Committee on


    Governmental Affairs of the Senate, the Committee on Government


    Operations of the House, the Joint Committee on Taxation, the


    Commissioner of Internal Revenue, the Tax and Trade Bureau,


    Department of the Treasury, and the Director of the Bureau of


    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Department of Justice.


      (3) Except as expressly provided by law, an officer or employee


    of the Office may make known information derived from a record or


    property of, or in use by, the Service or either Bureau that can


    identify a particular taxpayer only to another officer or employee


    of the Office whose duties or powers require that the record or


    property be made known.



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#15493 From: Moisha Pippik <moishanb@...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:08 pm
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John-Chester: Stuart and other members:
 
This concept follows right along with what has been demonstrated by myself and others.  That being that there must be a contract for there to be a controversy.  A "breach" if you will.  I perfect strategy for the INTERNAL REVENUE AND INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE.  This concept, which has been supported by many areas, works on everything in "commerce".  This is exactly what happens when one enters a  purported city/county/state court.  It isn't a court, it is an adminstrative agency, just like the IRS.  However, we think we are dealing with a real court, with a real judge, and there just isn't any.  Whether or not the purported judge has an oath of office, or a bond, does not make him a judge.  We are dealing with fake/fictitious/imposters.  Ministerial agents have no more power than notary publics, which precludes any judgements or use of judgement.
 
Way to piece it together John!!
 
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#15494 From: "vivus_spartacus" <vivus_spartacus@...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2007 9:35 pm
Subject: The Dollar Crisis By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
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No matter how many warnings have been issued, an economic crisis
always takes a country by surprise. The most urgent task is to
somehow prevent policymakers from doing evil things to "correct" the
crisis. Every form of intervention can only make matters worse. The
best policy is to adopt a laissez-faire policy through regulatory
cuts, sound money, and eliminating legal restrictions on trade. The
liquidation must be allowed to happen on its own to provide a
suitable foundation for a future recovery.

How can we help this happen? One way is to make sure that the right
books are front and center. We might start by reviewing the great
event that still inspires today's most fallacious countercyclical
policies: the Great Depression.

It turns out that Ludwig von Mises was the great prophet of the
event, with a series of essays on the nature of the business cycle
and the urgency of sound money. After the Depression hit, he urged a
free-market policy for the world. These wonderful essays are
collected in The Causes of the Economic Crisis. It was a tragedy
that it took so long for them to appear in English. What they show
is that he, not Keynes, was the person who had it all figured out.

When I speak of a laissez-faire policy, many people's first reaction
is: that's what Herbert Hoover did! But the truth is quite the
opposite. Hoover was actually the first New Dealer. He tried to
reflate the economy and attempted ill-fated jobs and spending
programs. In fact, FDR's presidential campaign of 1932 argued that
Hoover was a big spender who was driving up the debt and making
matters worse through his intervention!

Never heard that before? Have a look at Murray Rothbard's America's
Great Depression, which remains the best overall account of why the
stock market crash happened and what Hoover did to make everything
worse. Murray shows that the depression was not a crisis of
capitalism but the result of a disastrously loose monetary policy in
the 1920s. A special treat of this book is how Rothbard takes you
through the theoretical underpinnings of the crisis, and shows
precisely how the central bank distorts the structure of production
and unbalances the relationship between consumption and investment.

Along the same lines, we need to understand that the Great
Depression was hardly the first such crisis. In 1920 there was
another, but it was resolved rather quickly because the government
stayed out of the way. Moreover, banking panics occurred often in
the 19th century, and always because of the same factor: fractional-
reserve banking backed by a lender of last resort. Counterfeiting
comes to nothing but trouble. Rothbard reviews the whole of this
history, complete with an accounting of every crooked banker and
every power-mad politician, in A History of Money and Banking in the
United States.

How serious do you want to get with your theoretical understanding?
Do you find yourself tripped up by inflationists throwing
intellectual curveballs? Maybe you should sit down with the great
treatise on money and banking in our time: Money, Bank Credit, and
Economic Cycles by Jesus Huerta de Soto.

Yes, it is long. Yes, it has apparatus. But the scholarship is
wholly necessary for proving his radical thesis that fractional-
reserve banking constitutes an intervention in the market economy
and is the foundational reason for the business cycle. Through a
close examination of microeconomic law and economy, he finds a link
to macroeconomic effects. What we do in the micro sphere echoes in
the macro sphere.

De Soto goes back to Roman law to show that bank deposits are
rightly treated like other forms of property subject to the usual
standards of fraud. He demonstrates how this standard was widely
accepted until a change in outlook in the high Middle Ages, when
special interests prevailed on legal regimes to have deposits
treated as loans - with disastrous effects. The debate on this
subject has been around for many decades, but no one has shed more
light on this subject than De Soto. I fully expect that this book
will continue to be mandatory reading for any banking scholar for
decades ahead.

It is the thesis of L. Albert Hahn, another forgotten anti-
Keynesian, that all excess money creates illusions of prosperity. He
was once an advocate of Keynesian-style economic management, but he
saw the error then wrote this fabulous and passionate attack on the
whole theoretical and political apparatus. Mises was a big advocate
of this book: The Economics of Illusion.

It doesn't say good things about our world where people in college
read the Keynesians, are taught that they were right about free
markets, but meanwhile truly great economists like Hahn are
forgotten - forgotten so much, in fact, that this book has been out
of print for many decades. The Mises Institute has made it available
again. Isn't it time we revise our sense of what ideas deserve
study, and what ideas deserve to truly drop down the memory hole?

Hahn was not alone among the great economic thinkers of this age.
The New York Times employed one as its top editorialist: Henry
Hazlitt. He warned constantly about the dangers of the dollar
creation. His first great book against the Marshall Plan's foreign
aid was Will Dollars Save the World?

Then he turned his fire on the Bretton Woods agreement, and he was
shot down for it - forced out. But who was right? The agreement
broke down because it didn't allow dollar convertibility for
American citizens.

Here you can read his analysis of not only Bretton Woods but the
whole inflation issue: What You Should Know about Inflation. He lays
out the entire issue: what is money, what it does, what government
does to money, how the economy responds, what it means for your
life, and what to do about it. Hazlitt of course advocated the gold
standard.

Since Ron Paul has raised the issue of the gold standard, and is
being treated like some kind of visitor from Mars for having
mentioned the subject at all, we need to know more about the true
American heritage of the gold standard. This is why I'm personally
very fired up that the Mises Institute has brought back William
Gouge's Short History of Money and Banking, which I first read while
working for Ron in his congressional office.

Gouge lived from 1796 through 1863 and was involved in all the great
debates on banking in the 19th century. His book is a major attack
on all inflationary finance, and reading him underscores just how
universal are the lessons on money and banking - universal in the
sense that they apply in all times and all places.

Back in the 19th century, there were many people who wanted
inflation: bankers, debtors, and the government. What a surprise!
Who has an interest in sound money? Consumers, savers, and liberty-
loving citizens. This is the essential conflict. Are we going to
have a monetary regime rooted in robbery, or one rooted in honesty?
Gouge was on the side of honesty, and he inspires us today.

Coming a few decades later, but along the same lines, is Charles
Holt Carroll's Organization of Debt Into Currency. This is one of
those books that develops a hard-core cadre of fans. When we started
reprinting these great American economic classics, people began to
ask us: what about Carroll? Well, here it is, and once you get into
the book, you realize why Rothbard and George Reisman and so many
others swear by it. He patiently explains the difference between
money and debt and how the government goes about sowing confusion
about what is what.

Now, Ron Paul stands in this tradition of thinkers in every way.
Even on the campaign stump, he speaks about the evil of fiat money
and Fed management of the nation's money stock. In a true sense, he
says, we've put a cartelized gang of central planners in charge of
the good that constitutes half of every economic exchange, and we
are paying the price in terms of declining purchasing power,
exchange-rate chaos, rampant debt, and growing crises in sector
after sector.

Is there a way out? Most certainly! It goes by the name of gold.
Make the dollar as good as gold and you eliminate the inflation
problem and the business cycles that go along with it. Here is the
great secret of the gold standard. The problem is not that it is
unviable from the perspective of economics; the problem is that
there are many people allied against it: the big banks, the creditor
class, and government. You see, gold would provide a hard-core
anchor for liberty. Under the right form of the gold standard,
government could no longer spend with impunity or run up debt
without limit. The resources it spent would have to be raised the
old-fashioned way.

It behooves every American to read Ron's book, really his manifesto
on the topic. It is called The Case for Gold. He covers 19th-century
monetary history and discusses several plans for instituting a gold
standard.

Note that I didn't say "going back" to a gold standard, because if
you look at past gold standards, there was always a flaw in the form
of government intervention. There was the crazy system called
bimetallism. There was the lack of domestic convertibility after the
New Deal. There were the guarantees in the form of central bank
backing. There were special privileges in the law.

The gold standard that Ron favors is not complicated: it is the one
that would emerge in a world of freedom, a free-market money.

If his large book seems like too much, have a look at this primer:
Gold, Peace, and Prosperity. You can read it in an hour. It explains
why you should care about these issues, and why the government
doesn't want you to care about them.

I never expected that, in my lifetime, the money issue would again
become central to politics, but Ron - inspired by Mises and
Rothbard - has done it.

And why not? The topic was huge in the 19th century, when people
understood the dangers of putting the government in charge of
everything.

Now we take the socialization of money and credit for granted. It is
time we rethink all this. The restoration of sound money would be
the greatest single stroke for liberty taken in 100 years.

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The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, shortened to Tax and Trade Bureau or TTB, is a bureau of the United States Department of the Treasury. On January 24, 2003, the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (the Act) split functions of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), into two new organizations with separate functions. First, the Act established The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) under the Department of the Treasury. Second, the Act transferred certain law enforcement functions from Treasury to the Department of Justice. The ATF was transferred to the Justice Department and was renamed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

TTB's Field Operations are organized into five divisions (see Organizational Chart):

1) / National Revenue Center - TTB's National Revenue Center reconciles returns, reports, and claims; screens applications and promptly issues permits; and provides expert technical assistance for industry, the public and government agencies to ensure fair and proper revenue collection and public safety.

2) / Risk Management - The Risk Management Staff within the Office of Field Operations of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) develops, implements, and maintains monitoring programs for collecting the revenue due the Federal Government and protecting the public, and ensures resources are effectively used.

3) / Tax Audit - Our mission is to verify the proper payment of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and ammunition excise taxes and ensure compliance with laws and regulations by taxpayers in a manner that protects the revenue, protects the consumer, and promotes voluntary compliance.

4) / Trade Investigations - The Trade Investigations Division (TID) comprises investigators who ensure industry compliance with the laws and regulations administered by the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB). TID’s investigators: --Ensure only qualified applicants are granted permits to engage in the production and distribution of alcohol and tobacco; --Investigate allegations of trade practice violations in the marketplace; --Examine Certificates of Label Approvals (COLAs) to deter unauthorized usage; --Promote voluntary compliance with the laws and regulations enforced by TTB; --Prevent misleading labeling and advertising of alcohol beverages; --Ensure public safety by responding to credible information suggesting a health-related contamination or adulteration of an alcohol product; and --Conduct investigations of suspected alcohol or tobacco tax evasion.

5) / Tobacco Enforcement Division - The mission of the Tobacco Enforcement Division is to protect the revenue and promote voluntary compliance by monitoring the domestic tobacco trade, ensuring only qualified applicants enter the tobacco trade, ensuring compliance with the tax laws relating to tobacco, and facilitating TTB’s enforcement functions in cases of non-compliance.

Also see / Advertising, Labeling, and Formulation Division (ALFD) - TTB’s Advertising, Labeling, and Formulation Division (ALFD) implements and enforces a broad range of statutory and compliance provisions of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) and the Federal Alcohol Administration Act (the Act). The Act requires importers and bottlers of beverage alcohol to obtain certificates of label approval or certificates of exemption from label approval (COLAs) for most alcohol beverages prior to their introduction into interstate commerce. ALFD acts on these COLAs to ensure that products are labeled in accordance with Federal laws and regulations.

ALFD also examines formulas for wine and distilled spirits, statements of process, and pre-import applications filed by importers and proprietors of domestic distilled spirits plants, wineries, and breweries for proper tax classification and to ensure that the products are manufactured in accordance with Federal laws and regulations.

 


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#15496 From: "Doug" <rudi2396@...>
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    INTERNATIONAL SHOE CO. v. WASHINGTON, 326 U.S. 310 (1945)

    326 U.S. 310

    INTERNATIONAL SHOE CO.
    v.
    STATE OF WASHINGTON, OFFICE OF UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION AND PLACEMENT et al.
    No. 107.

    Decided Dec. 3, 1945.

    Appeal from the Supreme Court of the State of Washington. [326 U.S. 310, 311]   Mr. Henry C. Lowenhaupt, of St. Louis Mo., for appellant.

    Mr. George W. Wilkins, of Olympia, Wash., for appellees.

    Mr. Chief Justice STONE delivered the opinion of the Court.

    The questions for decision are (1) whether, within the limitations of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, appellant, a Delaware corporation, has by its activities in the State of Washington rendered itself amenable to proceedings in the courts of that state to recover unpaid contributions to the state unemployment compensation fund exacted by state statutes, Washington Unemployment Compensation Act, Washington Revised Statutes, 9998-103a through 9998-123a, 1941 Supp., and (2) whether the state can exact those contributions consistently with the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    The statutes in question set up a comprehensive scheme of unemployment compensation, the costs of which are defrayed by contributions required to be made by employers to a state unemployment compensation fund. [326 U.S. 310, 312]   The contributions are a specified percentage of the wages payable annually by each employer for his employees' services in the state. The assessment and collection of the contributions and the fund are administered by respondents. Section 14(c) of the Act, Wash.Rev.Stat. 1941 Supp., 9998- 114c, authorizes respondent Commissioner to issue an order and notice of assessment of delinquent contributions upon prescribed personal service of the notice upon the employer if found within the state, or, if not so found, by mailing the notice to the employer by registered mail at his last known address. That section also authorizes the Commissioner to collect the assessment by distraint if it is not paid within ten days after service of the notice. By 14(e) and 6(b) the order of assessment may be administratively reviewed by an appeal tribunal within the office of unemployment upon petition of the employer, and this determination is by 6(i) made subject to judicial review on questions of law by the state Superior Court, with further right of appeal in the state Supreme Court as in other civil cases.

    In this case notice of assessment for the years in question was personally served upon a sales solicitor employed by appellant in the State of Washington, and a copy of the notice was mailed by registered mail to appellant at its address in St. Louis, Missouri. Appellant appeared specially before the office of unemployment and moved to set aside the order and notice of assessment on the ground that the service upon appellant's salesman was not proper service upon appellant; that appellant was not a corporation of the State of Washington and was not doing business within the state; that it had no agent within the state upon whom service could be made; and that appellant is not an employer and does not furnish employment within the meaning of the statute.

    The motion was heard on evidence and a stipulation of facts by the appeal tribunal which denied the motion [326 U.S. 310, 313]   and ruled that respondent Commissioner was entitled to recover the unpaid contributions. That action was affirmed by the Commissioner; both the Superior Court and the Supreme Court affirmed. 154 P.2d 801. Appellant in each of these courts assailed the statute as applied, as a violation of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, and as imposing a constitutionally prohibited burden on interstate commerce. The cause comes here on appeal under 237(a) of the Judicial Code, 28 U.S.C. 344(a), 28 U.S.C.A. 344(a), appellant assigning as error that the challenged statutes as applied infringe the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and the commerce clause.

    The facts as found by the appeal tribunal and accepted by the state Superior Court and Supreme Court, are not in dispute. Appellant is a Delaware corporation, having its principal place of business in St. Louis, Missouri, and is engaged in the manufacture and sale of shoes and other footwear. It maintains places of business in several states, other than Washington, at which its manufacturing is carried on and from which its merchandise is distributed interstate through several sales units or branches located outside the State of Washington.

    Appellant has no office in Washington and makes no contracts either for sale or purchase of merchandise there. It maintains no stock of merchandise in that state and makes there no deliveries of goods in intrastate commerce. During the years from 1937 to 1940, now in question, appellant employed eleven to thirteen salesmen under direct supervision and control of sales managers located in St. Louis. These salesmen resided in Washington; their principal activities were confined to that state; and they were compensated by commissions based upon the amount of their sales. The commissions for each year totaled more than $31,000. Appellant supplies its salesmen with a line of samples, each consisting of one shoe of a pair, which [326 U.S. 310, 314]   they display to prospective purchasers. On occasion they rent permanent sample rooms, for exhibiting samples, in business buildings, or rent rooms in hotels or business buildings temporarily for that purpose. The cost of such rentals is reimbursed by appellant.

    The authority of the salesmen is limited to exhibiting their samples and soliciting orders from prospective buyers, at prices and on terms fixed by appellant. The salesmen transmit the orders to appellant's office in St. Louis for acceptance or rejection, and when accepted the merchandise for filling the orders is shipped f.o.b. from points outside Washington to the purchasers within the state. All the merchandise shipped into Washington is invoiced at the place of shipment from which collections are made. No salesman has authority to enter into contracts or to make collections.

    The Supreme Court of Washington was of opinion that the regular and systematic solicitation of orders in the state by appellant's salesmen, resulting in a continuous flow of appellant's product into the state, was sufficient to constitute doing business in the state so as to make appellant amenable to suit in its courts. But it was also of opinion that there were sufficient additional activities shown to bring the case within the rule frequently stated, that solicitation within a state by the agents of a foreign corporation plus some additional activities there are sufficient to render the corporation amenable to suit brought in the courts of the state to enforce an obligation arising out of its activities there. International Harvester Co. v. Kentucky, 234 U.S. 579, 587 , 34 S.Ct. 944, 946; People's Tobacco Co. v. American Tobacco Co., 246 U.S. 79, 87 , 38 S.Ct. 233, 235, Ann.Cas.1918C, 537; Frene v. Louisville Cement Co., 77 U.S.App.D.C. 129, 134 F.2d 511, 516, 146 A.L.R. 926. The court found such additional activities in the salesmen's display of samples sometimes in permanent display rooms, and the salesmen's residence within the state, continued over a period of years, all resulting in a [326 U.S. 310, 315]   substantial volume of merchandise regularly shipped by appellant to purchasers within the state. The court also held that the statute as applied did not invade the constitutional power of Congress to regulate interstate commerce and did not impose a prohibited burden on such commerce.

    Appellant's argument, renewed here, that the statute imposes an unconstitutional burden on interstate commerce need not detain us. For 53 Stat. 1391, 26 U.S.C. 1606(a), 26 U.S.C.A. Int.Rev.Code, 1606(a), provides that 'No person required under a State law to make payments to an unemployment fund shall be relieved from compliance therewith on the ground that he is engaged in interstate or foreign commerce, or that the State law does not distinguish between employees engaged in interstate or foreign commerce and those engaged in intrastate commerce.' It is no longer debatable that Congress, in the exercise of the commerce power, may authorize the states, in specified ways, to regulate interstate commerce or impose burdens upon it. Kentucky Whip & Collar Co. v. Illinois Central R. Co., 299 U.S. 334 , 57 S.Ct. 277; Perkins v. Pennsylvania, 314 U.S. 586 , 62 S.Ct. 484; Standard Dredging Corp. v. Murphy, 319 U.S. 306, 308 , 63 S.Ct. 1067, 1068; Hooven & Allison v. Evatt, 324 U.S. 652, 679 , 65 S.Ct. 870, 883; Southern Pacific Co. v. Arizona, 325 U.S. 761, 769 , 65 S.Ct. 1515, 1520

    Appellant also insists that its activities within the state were not sufficient to manifest its 'presence' there and that in its absence the state courts were without jurisdiction, that consequently it was a denial of due process for the state to subject appellant to suit. It refers to those cases in which it was said that the mere solicitation of orders for the purchase of goods within a state, to be accepted without the state and filled by shipment of the purchased goods interstate, does not render the corporation seller amenable to suit within the state. See Green v. Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. Co., 205 U.S. 530, 533 , 27 S.Ct. 595, 596; International Harvester Co. v. Kentucky, supra, 234 U.S. 586, 587 , 34 S.Ct. 946; Philadelphia [326 U.S. 310, 316]   & Reading R. Co. v. McKibbin, 243 U.S. 264, 268 , 37 S.Ct. 280; People's Tobacco Co. v. American Tobacco Co., supra, 246 U.S. 87 , 38 S.Ct. 235, Ann.Cas.1918C, 537. And appellant further argues that since it was not present within the state, it is a denial of due process to subject it to taxation or other money exaction. It thus denies the power of the state to lay the tax or to subject appellant to a suit for its collection.

    Historically the jurisdiction of courts to render judgment in personam is grounded on their de facto power over the defendant's person. Hence his presence within the territorial jurisdiction of court was prerequisite to its rendition of a judgment personally binding him. Pennoyer v. Neff, 95 U.S. 714 , 733. But now that the capias ad respondendum has given way to personal service of summons or other form of notice, due process requires only that in order to subject a defendant to a judgment in personam, if he be not present within the territory of the forum, he have certain minimum contacts with it such that the maintenance of the suit does not offend 'traditional notions of fair play and substantial justice.' Milliken v. Meyer, 311 U.S. 457, 463 , 61 S.Ct. 339, 343, 132 A.L.R. 1357. See Holmes, J., in McDonald v. Mabee, 243 U.S. 90, 91 , 37 S.Ct. 343, L.R.A.1917F, 458. Compare Hoopeston Canning Co. v. Cullen, 318 U.S. 313, 316 , 319 S., 63 S.Ct. 602, 604, 606, 145 A.L.R. 1113. See Blackmer v. United States, 284 U.S. 421 , 52 S.Ct. 252; Hess v. Pawloski, 274 U.S. 352 , 47 S.Ct. 632; Young v. Masci, 289 U.S. 253 , 53 S.Ct. 599, 88 A.L.R. 170.

    Since the corporate personality is a fiction, although a fiction intended to be acted upon as though it were a fact, Klein v. Board of Tax Supervisors, 282 U.S. 19, 24 , 51 S.Ct. 15, 16, 73 A.L.R. 679, it is clear that unlike an individual its 'presence' without, as well as within, the state of its origin can be manifested only by activities carried on in its behalf by those who are authorized to act for it. To say that the corporation is so far 'present' there as to satisfy due process requirements, for purposes of taxation or the maintenance of suits against it in the courts of the state, is to beg the question to be decided. For the terms 'present' or 'presence' are [326 U.S. 310, 317]   used merely to symbolize those activities of the corporation's agent within the state which courts will deem to be sufficient to satisfy the demands of due process. L. Hand, J., in Hutchinson v. Chase & Gilbert, 2 Cir., 45 F.2d 139, 141. Those demands may be met by such contacts of the corporation with the state of the forum as make it reasonable, in the context of our federal system of government, to require the corporation to defend the particular suit which is brought there. An 'estimate of the inconveniences' which would result to the corporation from a trial away from its 'home' or principal place of business is relevant in this connection. Hutchinson v. Chase & Gilbert, supra, 45 F.2d 141.

      'Presence' in the state in this sense has never been doubted when the activities of the corporation there have not only been continuous and systematic, but also give rise to the liabilities sued on, even though no consent to be sued or authorization to an agent to accept service of process has been given. St. Clair v. Cox, 106 U.S. 350, 355 , 1 S.Ct. 354, 359; Connecticut Mutual Life Ins. Co. v. Spratley, 172 U.S. 602, 610 , 611 S., 19 S.Ct. 308, 311, 312; Pennsylvania Lumbermen's Mut. Fire Ins. Co. v. Meyer, 197 U.S. 407, 414 , 415 S., 25 S.Ct. 483, 484, 485; Commercial Mutual Accident Co. v. Davis, 213 U.S. 245, 255 , 256 S., 29 S.Ct. 445, 448; International Harvester Co. v. Kentucky, supra; cf. St. Louis S.W.R. Co. v. Alexander, 227 U.S. 218 , 33 S.Ct. 245, Ann.Cas.1915B, 77. Conversely it has been generally recognized that the casual presence of the corporate agent or even his conduct of single or isolated items of activities in a state in the corporation's behalf are not enough to subject it to suit on causes of action unconnected with the activities there. St. Clair v. Cox, supra, 106 U.S. 359, 360 , 1 S.Ct. 362, 363; Old Wayne Mut. Life Ass'n v. McDonough, 204 U.S. 8, 21 , 27 S.Ct. 236, 240; Frene v. Louisville Cement Co., supra, 77 U.S.App.D.C. 133, 134 F.2d 515, 146 A.L.R. 926, and cases cited. To require the corporation in such circumstances to defend the suit away from its home or other jurisdiction where it carries on more substantial activities has been thought to lay too great and unreasonable a burden on the corporation to comport with due process. [326 U.S. 310, 318]   While it has been held in cases on which appellant relies that continuous activity of some sorts within a state is not enough to support the demand that the corporation be amenable to suits unrelated to that activity, Old Wayne Mut. Life Ass'n v. McDonough, supra; Green v. Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. Co., supra; Simon v. Southern R. Co., 236 U.S. 115 , 35 S.Ct. 255; People's Tobacco Co. v. American Tobacco Co., supra; cf. Davis v. Farmers' Co-operative Equity Co., 262 U.S. 312, 317 , 43 S.Ct. 556, 558, there have been instances in which the continuous corporate operations within a state were thought so substantial and of such a nature as to justify suit against it on causes of action arising from dealings entirely distinct from those activities. See Missouri, K. & T.R. Co. v. Reynolds, 255 U.S. 565 , 41 S.Ct. 446; Tauza v. Susquehanna Coal Co., 220 N.Y. 259, 115 N.E. 915; cf. St. Louis S.W.R. Co. v. Alexander, supra.

    Finally, although the commission of some single or occasional acts of the corporate agent in a state sufficient to impose an obligation or liability on the corporation has not been thought to confer upon the state authority to enforce it, Rosenberg Bros. & Co. v. Curtis Brown Co., 260 U.S. 516 , 43 S.Ct. 170, other such acts, because of their nature and quality and the circumstances of their commission, may be deemed sufficient to render the corporation liable to suit. Cf. Kane v. New Jersey, 242 U.S. 160 , 37 S.Ct. 30; Hess v. Pawloski, supra; Young v. Masci, supra. True, some of the decisions holding the corporation amenable to suit have been supported by resort to the legal fiction that it has given its consent to service and suit, consent being implied from its presence in the state through the acts of its authorized agents. Lafayette Insurance Co. v. French, 18 How. 404, 407; St. Clair v. Cox, supra, 106 U.S. 356 , 1 S.Ct. 359; Commercial Mutual Accident Co. v. Davis, supra, 213 U.S. 254 , 29 S.Ct. 447; State of Washington v. Superior Court, 289 U.S. 361, 364 , 365 S., 53 S.Ct. 624, 626, 627, 89 A.L.R. 653. But more realistically it may be said that those authorized acts were of such a nature as to justify the fiction. Smolik v. Philadelphia & [326 U.S. 310, 319]   R.C. & I. Co., D.C., 222 F. 148, 151. Henderson, The Position of Foreign Corporations in American Constitutional Law, 94, 95.

    It is evident that the criteria by which we mark the boundary line between those activities which justify the subjection of a corporation to suit, and those which do not, cannot be simply mechanical or quantitative. The test is not merely, as has sometimes been suggested, whether the activity, which the corporation has seen fit to procure through its agents in another state, is a little more or a little less. St. Louis S.W.R. Co. v. Alexander, supra, 227 U.S. 228 , 33 S.Ct. 248, Ann.Cas. 1915B, 77; International Harvestor Co. v. Kentucky, supra, 234 U.S. 587 , 34 S.Ct. 946. Whether due process is satisfied must depend rather upon the quality and nature of the activity in relation to the fair and orderly administration of the laws which it was the purpose of the due process clause to insure. That clause does not contemplate that a state may make binding a judgment in personam against an individual or corporate defendant with which the state has no contacts, ties, or relations. Cf. Pennoyer v. Neff, supra; Minnesota Commercial Men's Ass'n v. Benn, 261 U.S. 140 , 43 S.Ct. 293.

    But to the extent that a corporation exercises the privilege of conducting activities within a state, it enjoys the benefits and protection of the laws of that state. The exercise of that privilege may give rise to obligations; and, so far as those obligations arise out of or are connected with the activities within the state, a procedure which requires the corporation to respond to a suit brought to enforce them can, in most instances, hardly be said to be undue. Compare International Harvester Co. v. Kentucky, supra, with Green v. Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. Co., supra, and People's Tobacco Co. v. American Tobacco Co., supra. Compare Connecticut Mutual Life Ins. Co. v. Spratley, supra, 172 U.S. 619, 620 , 19 S.Ct. 314, 315, and Commercial Mutual Accident Co. v. Davis, supra, with Old Wayne Mut. Life Ass'n v. McDonough, supra. See 29 Columbia Law Review, 187-195. [326 U.S. 310, 320]   Applying these standards, the activities carried on in behalf of appellant in the State of Washington were neither irregular nor casual. They were systematic and continuous throughout the years in question. They resulted in a large volume of interstate business, in the course of which appellant received the benefits and protection of the laws of the state, including the right to resort to the courts for the enforcement of its rights. The obligation which is here sued upon arose out of those very activities. It is evident that these operations establish sufficient contacts or ties with the state of the forum to make it reasonable and just according to our traditional conception of fair play and substantial justice to permit the state to enforce the obligations which appellant has incurred there. Hence we cannot say that the maintenance of the present suit in the State of Washington involves an unreasonable or undue procedure.

    We are likewise unable to conclude that the service of the process within the state upon an agent whose activities establish appellant's 'presence' there was not sufficient notice of the suit, or that the suit was so unrelated to those activities as to make the agent an inappropriate vehicle for communicating the notice. It is enough that appellant has established such contacts with the state that the particular form of substituted service adopted there gives reasonable assurance that the notice will be actual. Connecticut Mutual Life Ins. Co. v. Spratley, supra, 172 U.S. 618, 619 , 19 S.Ct. 314, 315; Board of Trade v. Hammond Elevator Co., 198 U.S. 424, 437 , 438 S., 25 S.Ct. 740, 743, 744; Commercial Mutual Accident Co. v. Davis, supra, 213 U.S. 254, 255 , 29 S.Ct. 447, 448. Cf. Riverside & Dan River Cotton Mills v. Menefee, 237 U.S. 189, 194 , 195 S., 35 S.Ct. 579, 580, 581; see Knowles v. Gaslight & Coke Co., 19 Wall. 58, 61; McDonald v. Mabee, supra; Milliken v. Meyer, supra. Nor can we say that the mailing of the notice of suit to appellant by registered mail at its home office was not reasonably calculated to apprise appellant of the suit. Compare Hess v. Pawloski, supra, with McDonald v. Mabee, supra, 243 U.S. [326 U.S. 310, 321]   92, 37 S.Ct. 344, L.R.A.1917F, 458, and Wuchter v. Pizzutti, 276 U.S. 13, 19 , 24 S., 48 S.Ct. 259, 260, 262, 57 A.L.R. 1230; cf. Bequet v. MacCarthy, 2 B. & Ad. 951; Maubourquet v. Wyse, 1 Ir.Rep.C.L. 471. See State of Washington v. Superior Court, supra, 289 U.S. 365 , 53 S. Ct. 626, 89 A.L.R. 653.

    Only a word need be said of appellant's liability for the demanded contributions of the state unemployment fund. The Supreme Court of Washington, construing and applying the statute, has held that it imposes a tax on the privilege of employing appellant's salesmen within the state measured by a percentage of the wages, here the commissions payable to the salesmen. This construction we accept for purposes of determining the constitutional validity of the statute. The right to employ labor has been deemed an appropriate subject of taxation in this country and England, both before and since the adoption of the Constitution. Steward Machine Co. v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548 , 579 et seq., 57 S.Ct. 883, 887 et seq., 109 A.L.R. 1293. And such a tax imposed upon the employer for unemployment benefits is within the constitutional power of the states. Carmichael v. Southern Coal & Coke Co., 301 U.S. 495 , 508 et seq., 57 S.Ct. 868, 871 et seq., 109 A.L.R. 1327.

    Appellant having rendered itself amenable to suit upon obligations arising out of the activities of its salesmen in Washington, the state may maintain the present suit in personam to collect the tax laid upon the exercise of the privilege of employing appellant's salesmen within the state. For Washington has made one of those activities, which taken together establish appellant's 'presence' there for purposes of suit, the taxable event by which the state brings appellant within the reach of its taxing power. The state thus has constitutional power to lay the tax and to subject appellant to a suit to recover it. The activities which establish its 'presence' subject it alike to taxation by the state and to suit to recover the tax. Equitable Life Assur. Society v. Pennsylvania, 238 U.S. 143, 146 , 35 S.Ct. 829, 830; cf. International Harvester Co. v. Wisconsin Department of Taxation, 322 U.S. 435 , 442 et seq., 64 S.Ct. 1060, 1064 et seq.; Hoopeston Canning Co. v. Cullen, [326 U.S. 310, 322]   supra, 318 U.S. 316 -319, 63 S.Ct. 604-606, 145 A.L.R. 113; see General Trading Co. v. State Tax Com., 322 U.S. 335, 349 , 64 S.Ct. 1028, 1030, 1319.

    AFFIRMED.

    Mr. Justice JACKSON took no part in the consideration or decision of this case.

    Mr. Justice BLACK delivered the following opinion.

    Congress, pursuant to its constitutional power to regulate commerce, has expressly provided that a State shall not be prohibited from levying the kind of unemployment compensation tax here challenged. 26 U.S.C. 1606, 26 U.S.C.A. Int.Rev.Code, 1606. We have twice decided that this Congressional consent is an adequate answer to a claim that imposition of the tax violates the Commerce Clause. Perkins v. Pennsylvania, 314 U.S. 586 , 62 S.Ct. 484, affirming 342 Pa. 529, 21 A.2d 45; Standard Dredging Corp. v. Murphy, 319 U.S. 306, 308 , 63 S.Ct. 1067, 1068. Two determinations by this Court of an issue so palpably without merit are sufficient. Consequently that part of this appeal which again seeks to raise the question seems so patently frivolous as to make the case a fit candidate for dismissal. Fay v. Crozer, 217 U.S. 455 , 30 S. Ct. 568. Nor is the further ground advanced on this appeal, that the State of Washington has denied appellant due process of law, any less devoid of substance. It is my view, therefore, that we should dismiss the appeal as unsubstantial,1 Seaboard Air Line R. Co. v. Watson, 287 U.S. 86, 90 , 92 S., 53 S.Ct. 32, 34, 35, 86 A.L.R. 174; and decline the invitation to formulate broad rules as to the meaning of due process, which here would amount to deciding a constitutional question 'in advance of the necessity for its decision.' Alabama State Federation of Labor v. McAdory, 325 U.S. 450, 461 , 65 S.Ct. 1384, 1389, 1734. [326 U.S. 310, 323]   Certainly appellant can not in the light of our past decisions meritoriously claim that notice by registered mail and by personal service on its sales solicitors in Washington did not meet the requirements of procedural due process. And the due process clause is not brought in issue any more by appellant's further conceptualistic contention that Washington could not levy a tax or bring suit against the corporation because it did not honor that State with its mystical 'presence.' For it is unthinkable that the vague due process clause was ever intended to prohibit a State from regulating or taxing a business carried on within its boundaries simply because this is done by agents of a corporation organized and having its headquarters elsewhere. To read this into the due process clause would in fact result in depriving a State's citizens of due process by taking from the State the power to protect them in their business dealings within its boundaries with representatives of a foreign corporation. Nothing could be more irrational or more designed to defeat the function of our federative system of government. Certainly a State, at the very least, has power to tax and sue those dealing with its citizens within its boundaries, as we have held before. Hoopeston Canning Co. v. Cullen, 318 U.S. 313 , 63 S.Ct. 602, 145 A.L.R. 1113. Were the Court to follow this principle, it would provide a workable standard for cases where, as here, no other questions are involved. The Court has not chosen to do so, but instead has engaged in an unnecessary discussion in the course of which it has announced vague Constitutional criteria applied for the first time to the issue before us. It has thus introduced uncertain elements confusing the simple pattern and tending to curtail the exercise of State powers to an extent not justified by the Constitution.

    The criteria adopted insofar as they can be identified read as follows: Due process does permit State courts to 'enforce the obligations which appellant has incurred' if [326 U.S. 310, 324]   it be found 'reasonable and just according to our traditional conception of fair play and substantial justice.' And this in turn means that we will 'permit' the State to act if upon 'an 'estimate of the inconveniences' which would result to the corporation from a trial away from its 'home' or principal place of business', we conclude that it is 'reasonable' to subject it to suit in a State where it is doing business.

    It is true that this Court did use the terms 'fair play' and 'substantial justice' in explaining the philosophy underlying the holding that it could not be 'due process of law' to render a personal judgment against a defendant without notice to and an opportunity to be heard by him. Milliken v. Meyer, 311 U.S. 457 , 61 S.Ct. 339, 132 A.L. R. 1357. In McDonald v. Mabee, 243 U.S. 90, 91 , 37 S.Ct. 343, L.R.A.1917F, 458, cited in the Milliken case, Mr. Justice Holmes speaking for the Court warned against judicial curtailment of this opportunity to be heard and referred to such a curtailment as a denial of 'fair play', which even the common law would have deemed 'contrary to natural justice.' And previous cases had indicated that the ancient rule against judgments without notice had stemmed from 'natural justice' concepts. These cases, while giving additional reasons why notice under particular circumstances is inadequate, did not mean thereby that all legislative enactments which this Court might deem to be contrary to natural justice ought to be held invalid under the due process clause. None of the cases purport to support or could support a holding that a State can tax and sue corporations only if its action comports with this Court's notions of 'natural justice.' I should have thought the Tenth Amendment settled that.

    I believe that the Federal Constitution leaves to each State, without any 'ifs' or 'buts', a power to tax and to open the doors of its courts for its citizens to sue corporations whose agents do business in those States. Believing that the Constitution gave the States that power, I think it a judicial deprivation to condition its exercise upon this [326 U.S. 310, 325]   Court's notion of 'fairplay', however appealing that term may be. Nor can I stretch the meaning of due process so far as to authorize this Court to deprive a State of the right to afford judicial protection to its citizens on the ground that it would be more 'convenient' for the corporation to be sued somewhere else.

    There is a strong emotional appeal in the words 'fair play', 'justice', and 'reasonableness.' But they were not chosen by those who wrote the original Constitution or the Fourteenth Amendment as a measuring rod for this Court to use in invalidating State or Federal laws passed by elected legislative representatives. No one, not even those who most feared a democratic government, ever formally proposed that courts should be given power to invalidate legislation under any such elastic standards. Express prohibitions against certain types of legislation are found in the Constitution, and under the long settled practice, courts invalidate laws found to conflict with them. This requires interpretation, and interpretation, it is true, may result in extension of the Constitution's purpose. But that is no reason for reading the due process clause so as to restrict a State's power to tax and sue those whose activities affect persons and businesses within the State, provided proper service can be had. Superimposing the natural justice concept on the Constitution's specific prohibitions could operate as a drastic abridgment of democratic safeguards they embody, such as freedom of speech, press and religion,2 and the right to counsel. This [326 U.S. 310, 326]   has already happened. Betts v. Brady, 316 U.S. 455 , 62 S.Ct. 1252. Compare Feldman v. United States, 322 U.S. 487 , 494-503, 64 S.Ct. 1082, 1085-1089, 154 A.L.R. 982. For application of this natural law concept, whether under the terms 'reasonableness', 'justice', or 'fair play', makes judges the supreme arbiters of the country's laws and practices. Polk Co. v. Glover, 305 U.S. 5 , 17-18, 59 S.Ct. 15, 20, 21; Federal Power Commission v. Natural Gas Pipeline Co., 315 U.S. 575, 600 , 62 S.Ct. 736, 750, note 4. This result, I believe, alters the form of government our Constitution provides. I cannot agree.

    True, the State's power is here upheld. But the rule announced means that tomorrow's judgment may strike down a State or Federal enactment on the ground that it does not conform to this Court's idea of natural justice. I therefore find myself moved by the same fears that caused Mr. Justice Holmes to say in 1930:

      'I have not yet adequately expressed the more than anxiety that I feel at the ever increasing scope given to the Fourteenth Amendment in cutting down what I believe to be the constitutional rights of the States. As the decisions now stand, I see hardly any limit but the sky to the invalidating of those rights if they happen to strike a majority of this Court as for any reason undesirable.' Baldwin v. Missouri, 281 U.S. 586, 595 , 50 S.Ct. 436, 439, 72 A.L.R. 1303.

    Footnotes

      [ Footnote 1 ] This Court has on several occasions pointed out the undesirable consequences of a failure to dismiss frivolous appeals. Salinger v. United States, 272 U.S. 542, 544 , 47 S.Ct. 173, 174; United Surety Co. v. American Fruit Product Co., 238 U.S. 140 , 35 S.Ct. 828; De Bearn v. Safe Deposit & Trust Co., 233 U.S. 24, 33 , 34 S., 34 S.Ct. 584, 586, 587.

      [ Footnote 2 ] These First Amendment liberties-freedom of speech, press and religion-provide a graphic illustration of the potential restrictive capacity of a rule under which they are protected at a particular time only because the Court, as then constituted believes them to be a requirement of fundamental justice. Consequently, under the same rule, another Court, with a different belief as to fundamental justice, could at least as against State action, completely or partially withdraw Constitutional protection from these basic freedoms, just as though the First Amendment had never been written.

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      #15497 From: "Legalbear" <bear@...>
      Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:44 pm
      Subject: Evidence that 15 USC § 1692 does not apply to taxes
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      I took an interest in what Mobinem had to say about the application of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act to taxes. I did a search in the caselaw and it did not take me long to find the following:

       

      [41]     *fn4 We note that at least two sister circuits have suggested that taxes should not be considered "debt" under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. For example, Beggs v. Rossi, 145 F.3d 511, 512 (2d Cir. 1998), states: The [Fair Debt Collection Practices Act] defines a "debt" as "any obligation or alleged obligation of a consumer to pay money arising out of a transaction in which the money, property, insurance, or services which are the subject of the transaction are primarily for personal, family, or household purposes, whether or not such obligation has been reduced to judgment." 15 U.S.C. § 1692a(5). In determining that the personal property taxes at issue in this case are not "debts" within the meaning of the FDCPA, the district court relied principally upon the decision of the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in Staub v. Harris, 626 F.2d 275 (3d Cir. 1980). In Staub, the Third Circuit held that "at a minimum, the statute contemplates that the debt has arisen as a result of the rendition of a service or purchase of property or other item of value. The relationship between taxpayer and taxing authority does not encompass that type of pro tanto exchange which the statutory definition envisages." Id. at 278. We agree with the district court that Staub is persuasive authority and is dispositive in this case. Internal Revenue Service v. Westberry, 2000.C06.0042190 <http://www.versuslaw.com>¶ 41; 215 F.3d 589 (6th Cir. 2000).

       

      One of the things that piqued my interest is that I remembered this reference in the Internal Revenue Service Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998:

       

      SEC. 3466. APPLICATION OF CERTAIN FAIR DEBT COLLECTION PROCEDURES.

       

      (a)     IN GENERAL.—Subchapter A of chapter 64 (relating to collection) is amended by inserting after section 6303 the following new section: ‘‘SEC. 6304.

       

      FAIR TAX COLLECTION PRACTICES.

       

      ‘‘(a) COMMUNICATION WITH THE TAXPAYER.—Without the prior consent of the taxpayer given directly to the

                 Secretary or the express permission of a court of competent jurisdiction, the Secretary may not communicate with a

                 taxpayer in connection with the collection of any unpaid tax—

       

      ‘‘(1) at any unusual time or place or a time or place known or which should be known to be inconvenient to the taxpayer;

       

      ‘‘(2) if the Secretary knows the taxpayer is represented by any person authorized to practice before the Internal Revenue

                 Service with respect to such unpaid tax and has knowledge of, or can readily ascertain, such person’s name and

                 address, PUBLIC LAW 105–206—JULY 22, 1998 112 STAT. 769 unless such person fails to respond within a

                 reasonable period of time to a communication from the Secretary or unless such person consents to direct

                 communication with the taxpayer; or

       

      ‘‘(3) at the taxpayer’s place of employment if the Secretary knows or has reason to know that the taxpayer’s employer

                 prohibits the taxpayer from receiving such communication. In the absence of knowledge of circumstances to the

                 contrary, the Secretary shall assume that the convenient time for communicating with a taxpayer is after 8 a.m. and

                 before 9 p.m., local time at the taxpayer’s location.

       

      ‘‘(b) PROHIBITION OF HARASSMENT AND ABUSE.—The Secretary may not engage in any conduct the natural

                 consequence of which is to harass, oppress, or abuse any person in connection with the collection of any unpaid tax.

                 Without limiting the general application of the foregoing, the following conduct is a violation of this subsection:

       

      ‘‘(1) The use or threat of use of violence or other criminal means to harm the physical person, reputation, or property of any

                 person.

       

      ‘‘(2) The use of obscene or profane language or language the natural consequence of which is to abuse the hearer or reader.

       

      ‘‘(3) Causing a telephone to ring or engaging any person in telephone conversation repeatedly or continuously with intent to

                 annoy, abuse, or harass any person at the called number.

       

      ‘‘(4) Except as provided under rules similar to the rules in section 804 of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (15 U.S.C.

                 1692b), the placement of telephone calls without meaningful disclosure of the caller’s identity.

       

      ‘‘(c) CIVIL ACTION FOR VIOLATIONS OF SECTION.— ‘‘For civil action for violations of this section, see section

                 7433.’’.

      This is now codified at 26 USC 6304. Bear

       

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      #15498 From: dolores rudd <dkrudd@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:42 am
      Subject: Penalties of Perjury
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      The jurat at the bottom of IRS Forms W4, 1040, 940, 941 and other forms says you are signing the form under "penalties of perjury."  
      Does anyone know why penalty is plural on these forms?
       
      I have been told it is because the person signing these forms is supposed to be under oath and could therefore face double perjuries if they were not truthful. All government (civil service) and military personnel take an oath to support the constitution so they are under oath. (5 USC 3331) BAR attorneys take an oath to support the constitution. Judges take an oath of office and an oath to support constitution(s). It seems that if we have previously filed a 1040, etc. we gave jurisdiction because by signing under "penalties" of perjury we are claiming we are a person under oath.
       
      I am in the process of researching this further but I am wondering if anyone has any information about this or thoughts on where one might research to get evidence.
       
       
      Sec. 3331. Oath of office
      -STATUTE-
            An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
          office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed

          services, shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the
          United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I
          will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this
          obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of
          evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties
          of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me G==." This
          section does not affect other oaths required by law.

      Dee

      #15499 From: "diggerflyer" <Riverway@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:03 am
      Subject: Lack of Jurisdiction
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      I love it! The imposters in black robes are all stirred up!
      
      
      November 9, 2007
      Thousands of petty criminals could have their convictions thrown out
      and millions of dollars in fines refunded because Spokane County
      District Court judges overstepped their authority for more than a
      decade by improperly handling city cases, an appeals court ruled
      Thursday.
      The decision, which overturns two otherwise simple drunken driving
      convictions, has such far-reaching implications that it could trigger
      what's believed to be the largest legal debacle of overturned Spokane
      Municipal Court cases in city history.
      Unless the decision is overturned by the Washington Supreme Court,
      the ruling would invalidate every DUI and domestic violence
      conviction, and all contested speeding and parking tickets issued
      between 1995 and Jan. 1, several legal and court officials said.
      "It's potentially a huge, huge impact – and we're trying to deal with
      it in an orderly fashion," said Sara Derr, who serves as the District
      Court presiding judge.
      Local attorney Breean Beggs – who brought the lawsuit that generated
      the ruling – questions why the city didn't do more to avert the
      crisis it now faces.
      "It was preventable," Beggs said. "The city had the opportunity over
      the last two years to resolve this particular case in a way that
      would not have resulted in this ruling … and there would be no
      jeopardy to these other cases."
      
      The flaw came in how the judges were elected, according to the 2-1
      decision by the state Court of Appeals Division III.
      State law mandates that Spokane residents alone elect the judges who
      handle municipal cases, such as trespassing, shoplifting, speeding
      and DUI within city limits.
      But in Spokane, an agreement was struck between the city and county
      to assign District Court judges – who are chosen by voters in
      countywide elections – to preside over the city's municipal court
      caseload. Beggs successfully argued it violated state law because
      voters outside Spokane city limits were allowed to choose city judges.
      "We conclude … that the way in which the Spokane municipal judges are
      elected is contrary to state law," appellate judge Dennis Sweeney
      wrote in Thursday's opinion. Judge John Schultheis concurred, but
      judge Stephen Brown dissented.
      City officials, lawyers and judges scrambled for most of the day to
      determine how to proceed, city spokeswoman Marlene Feist said.
      City Prosecutor Howard Delaney "plans to seek some clarification on
      the decision from the court of appeals," she said. "He is also trying
      to take some immediate steps on the most pressing issues, such as
      outstanding misdemeanor warrants. And he has asked jail officials how
      many inmates are currently being held on convictions from municipal
      court."
      Spokane County sheriff's deputies and city police have stopped
      executing misdemeanor warrants involving city cases related to
      alleged crimes prior to Jan. 1.
      Judge Derr said the ruling "essentially says that we have no
      authority to handle city cases until this year. We are attempting to
      comply with the order of the court, to the best of our ability and as
      quickly as possible."
      The court instituted technical changes this year that brought it
      under compliance with state law, she said.
      Although there's a legal 30-day "reconsideration period" for the
      ruling, court officials are not going to wait, Derr said. However,
      court clerks are not going to start issuing refunds for fines and
      fees today, Derr added.
      "Until we have information on those fees and fines, we ask everybody
      to be calm – we'll certainly get to everybody," Derr said.
      The trigger case began in 2005 when Spokane residents Henry Smith and
      Lawrence Rothwell challenged their DUI convictions under the argument
      that District Judge Patti Connolly Walker lacked jurisdiction to
      decide their case because they were both arrested in Spokane city
      limits.
      Judge Walker, who was elected in a countywide race, denied their
      motions. Smith and Rothwell appealed the case to Spokane Superior
      Court Judge Rebecca Baker. She likewise ruled that Walker had
      jurisdiction.
      With the help of Beggs, an attorney for the public interest law firm
      Center for Justice, Smith and Rothwell appealed their case to the
      State Court of Appeals Division III.
      Along with conviction reversals, the case could have "unimaginable"
      effects that could take years to unravel, said Superior Court Judge
      Sam Cozza. For instance, if a DUI conviction is reversed, court
      records must be changed, any subsequent convictions would be altered,
      and the state would have to change the offender's driving record.
      Last year alone, Spokane Municipal Court handled 25,104 traffic
      tickets, 608 DUIs, and more than 10,000 misdemeanor crimes, including
      serious traffic charges, according to the state Office of the
      Administrator for the Courts.
      "Those are all kind of thrown into a state of uncertainty," Judge
      Cozza said.
      In addition to evaluating the local impact of the appellate court
      ruling, Derr's office has sent a query to the Administrative Office
      of the Courts in Olympia to assist with an analysis of the fiscal
      impact.
      "As we speak, we are running queries in our system. We'll be meeting
      all day" today, Derr said. "We need to minimize the risk to the
      citizens."

      #15500 From: "Virgil Cooper" <ultrac21@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:33 am
      Subject: Evidence that 15 USC § 1692 does not apply to taxes
      contrarianaz7
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      Hi Bear and others on this list,

       

      Thanks for the clarification of the applicability of Title 15, Sec. 1692, Fair Debt Collection Practices Act to taxes.

      The question one must ask is: who is a “taxpayer”?  What about the maladministration and misapplication of taxes “extorted”

      from someone who technically and legally IS NOT a taxpayer, but is fraudulently treated by the IRS/IR “as if” they are a “taxpayer” and by

      threat, duress, and coercion they compel “compliance” and coerce the “non-taxpayer” to lie about his status and declare himself a “taxpayer?”

      Such a “taxpayer” has been coerced to bear false witness about his tax status and sign the Form 1040 “under penalty of perjury” and thereby

      not only bear false witness against himself, but compound the “LIE” by committing perjury – giving perjured testimony.  It would seem to me

      that the “exemption for taxes” the courts have given the IRS/IR should NOT be allowed to apply “under the circumstances.”  The “exemption”

      should be allowed to apply ONLY IF a bona fide taxpayer is involved.  The burden of proof is on the IRS/IR to prove conclusively that someone

      actually is a taxpayer – NOT just because someone had “income”.  The IRS/IR has the burden of proof to conclusively show that someone has

      Schedule A or Schedule C income, or in some instances, a combination of both.  That would prove that that someone is a taxpayer and has Sixteenth Amendment income subject to the federal income tax.  This quickly becomes a jurisdictional attack.  I would argue that the Fair

      Debt Collection Practices Act DOES apply and attack on the FRAUD that the IRS/IR has been perpetrating since on or about 1914.

       

      Best regards from Virgil

       

      Legalbear wrote: 

       

      I took an interest in what Mobinem had to say about the application of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act to taxes. I did a search in the caselaw and it did not take me long to find the following:

      [41]     *fn4 We note that at least two sister circuits have suggested that taxes should not be considered "debt" under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.  For example, Beggs v. Rossi, 145 F.3d 511, 512 (2d Cir. 1998), states: The [Fair Debt Collection Practices Act] defines a "debt" as "any obligation or alleged obligation of a consumer to pay money arising out of a transaction in which the money, property, insurance, or services which are the subject of the transaction are primarily for personal, family, or household purposes, whether or not such obligation has been reduced to judgment." 15 U.S.C. § 1692a(5).  In determining that the personal property taxes at issue in this case are not "debts" within the meaning of the FDCPA, the district court relied principally upon the decision of the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in Staub v. Harris, 626 F.2d 275 (3d Cir. 1980).  In Staub, the Third Circuit held that "at a minimum, the statute contemplates that the debt has arisen as a result of the rendition of a service or purchase of property or other item of value.  The relationship between taxpayer and taxing authority does not encompass that type of pro tanto exchange which the statutory definition envisages."  Id. at 278.  We agree with the district court that Staub is persuasive authority and is dispositive in this case.  Internal Revenue Service v. Westberry, 2000.C06.0042190 <http://www.versuslaw.com>¶ 41; 215 F.3d 589 (6th Cir. 2000).

      One of the things that piqued my interest is that I remembered this reference in the Internal Revenue Service Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998:

      SEC. 3466. APPLICATION OF CERTAIN FAIR DEBT COLLECTION PROCEDURES.

      (a)     IN GENERAL.—Subchapter A of chapter 64 (relating to collection) is amended by inserting after section 6303 the following new section: ‘‘SEC. 6304.

       FAIR TAX COLLECTION PRACTICES.   

      Notice the “play on words” – “FAIR TAX” as if ALL Americans are “taxpayers” and the federal income tax is “fairly” administered.

      The remainder of Bear’s (Legalbear) citation omitted (snipped).  See his message dated 11-13-07 for the entire citation.

       


      #15501 From: "Frank Mumma" <legaldude@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:50 pm
      Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Penalties of Perjury
      jestor1776
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      Dolores Rudd wrote concerning oaths:
       
      > I am in the process of researching this further but I am wondering if anyone has any information about this or thoughts on > where one might research to get evidence.
      Delores, please take the time to search the Tips & Tricks newsgroup site for "oaths of office". You will discover this topic covered very extensively to date.
       
      FM

      #15502 From: mobinem@...
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:13 pm
      Subject: nihil dicit judgement
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      An example of a nihil dicit judgement:

      SUPREME COURT OF NORTH CAROLINA

      *************************************

      )
      Case No 568 A 99
      Albert Coombs
      )
      Plaintiff/Appellant
      )
      NOTICE and DEMAND
      Paul Burge
      )
      for
      Intervener/Appellant
      )
      )
      Nihil Dicit JUDGEMENT
      Vs.
      )
      )
      Sprint Communications Company LP, and
      )
      AT&T Communications of the Southern
      )
      States. Inc.,
      )
      )
      Respondents/Appellees
      )
       
      ___________________________________________

      Appellant/Plaintiffs, Albert Coombs and Appellant/Intervener, Paul Burge hereby Notice this Supreme Court of a Nihil Dicit application. We move this procedure before this court so that it can order the warranted judgement(s)in favor of Appellants petitions for all relief and motions sought in Appellant pleadings. Appellants further request nominal, compensatory, punitive and any other damages that the court deem Just and Proper, inclusive of reasonable compensation for "time" necessarily expended to prosecute this action. Punitive damages are in order due to the Respondents frivolous and non-responsive alleged "answers" to Appellants submissions throughout the 14-month ordeal; which directly caused unnecessary delay and the subsequent appeal to an already overburdened Supreme Court.

      SUPPORT FOR NIHIL DICIT JUDGEMENT

      1. "Nihil Dicit. He says nothing. The name of the judgement which may be taken as of course against a defendant who omits to plead or answer the plaintiffs declaration or complaint within the time limited. In some jurisdictions it is otherwise known as judgement `for want of plea.'" Black's Law 5Th, page 942

      2. "Nihil Dicit Judgement. Judgement entered against defendant, in proceeding in which he is in court but has not filed an answer, is a "nil dicit judgement"; all error of pleading being waived, court examines petition only to determine if it attempts to state a cause of action within the court's jurisdiction." Cite omitted Black's Law 5Th, page 943

      3. This court has jurisdiction pursuant to Jurisdictional statements entered in the Record and Brief on Appeal. The Appellees have not responded to the Record on Appeal nor to the Appellant's Brief appropriately noticed and "served" upon Respondents, and subsequently filed in this Court on December 15, 1999. The allotted time limit to respond of 30 days has long since expired. Therefore the Nil Dicit Judgement is appropriate and in fact in order and therefore, this demand is made through this Court to satisfy the relief requested as presented in the Appellant's Brief.

      4. Appellants rely on the use of this process and in good faith proffer to this court its "remedy" based on a thorough reading of the seventeen North Carolina cases on this subject, some of which are infra;

      R. M. OATES v. W. G. GRAY, 66 N.C. 442 (1872) Supreme Court of North Carolina. ". An entry on the docket of "general issue, stat, lim, with leave," is not sufficient pleading and in the discretion of the Judge below would authorize judgment of nil dicit."

      WESTON v. LUMBER CO., 162 N.C. 165 (1913) 77 S.E. 430 "It is, therefore, not necessary, says a great law writer on this subject, that the judgment should have been awarded upon the decision of an issue, for where it is given for want of a plea, which is judgment by nil dicit, or where it one by non sum informatus, or by confession, or by default, the conclusiveness of it is the same as if the fact had been actually (203) contested by plea or traverse. Stephen on Pleading (9 Am. Ed. by Heard), pp. 109 and 195. This he calls estoppel by record. There was no answer in Mills v. Witherington, supra, and consequently no actual litigation of the title and no specific reference to it in the pleadings."

      5. Appellees are now estopped from entering any rebuttal at all as they have forfeited and waived that right by their inaction and an estoppel now constructively exists. This Court has only now to rule on the evidence of fact and law submitted by Appellants. Appellees were uncooperative of the Administrative process below having failed to respond to the fact and law placed upon the record. They simply offered "general" denials absent the specificity, procedure and clarity, required by law. And NOW, they thumb their noses at our states highest court by failing even to recognize its high importance by ignoring the process placed upon its record.
      HOKE v. EDWARDS AND OTHERS,
      46 N.C. 532 (1854) 2 S.E. 70
      "Upon a default or a nil dicit, on an action of debt, in a Justice's judgment, the plaintiff is entitled to a final judgment, at the time when the default is made, and need not execute an inquiry before a jury."

      6. Since a nil dicit judgement has greater force than a default, and the fact that Appellee's never responded to the three notices to Appeal on the Record; and only responded at the PUC level with [improper form] blanket denials of no substance; and now has not even participated in this Appeal action by entering any "response" at all, compels that a nihil dicit judgement issue instanter. "Judgement taken against party who withdraws his answer is judgement nihil dicit, which amounts to confession of cause of action stated, and carries with it, more strongly than judgement by default, admission of justice in plaintiff's case." Black's Law 5Th Nihil Dicit

      7. From the General Statutes of North Carolina 24-6. Clerk to ascertain interest upon default judgment on bond, covenant, bill, note or signed account. When a suit is instituted on a single bond, a covenant for the payment of money, bill of exchange, promissory note, or a signed account, and the defendant does not plead to issue thereon, upon judgment, the clerk of the court shall ascertain the interest due by law, without a writ of inquiry, and the amount shall be included in the final judgment of the court as damages, which judgment shall be rendered therein in the manner prescribed by 24-5.(1797, c. 475, P.R.; R.C., c. 31, s. 91; Code, s. 531; Rev., s. 1956; C.S., s. 2310.)

      8. Wherefore, Appellants Coombs and Burge, demand, as in a claim of right, an assertion of a substantive legal right, that this court issue a Nihil Dicit Judgement in favor of Appellants on each Relief Demanded in the Appellant's Brief and this Motion.

      Date: February 7, 2000
       


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      #15503 From: "diggerflyer" <Riverway@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:17 pm
      Subject: Re: Lack of Jurisdiction
      diggerflyer
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      --- In tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com, "diggerflyer" <Riverway@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > I love it! The imposters in black robes are all stirred up!
      >
      >
      > November 9, 2007
      > Thousands of petty criminals could have their convictions thrown out
      > and millions of dollars in fines refunded because Spokane County
      > District Court judges overstepped their authority for more than a
      > decade by improperly handling city cases, an appeals court ruled
      > Thursday.
      
      
      
      I would add:
      
      How about in your city/county jurisdiction? How are they doing
      business compared to this quagmire? Could you perhaps challenge
      jurisdiction there as well?
      
      Diggerflyer

      #15504 From: "ciamarie2001" <ciamarie2005@...>
      Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:14 am
      Subject: Re: Penalties of Perjury
      ciamarie2001
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      Hi Dee,
      
      I would suggest that one place to start researching would be the
      statutory history for the various 'enforcement' statutes in the
      IRC,(Subtitle F?) most of which precede 1913 (putting to rest the
      IRS's lie that the 16th amendment allows them expanded
      powers...)Particularly those dealing with the various requirements to
      file forms and place for filing, etc.
      
      The way to do this would be with the various appendix found in the
      1939 IRC which reference the Revised Statutes from which those
      sections derive. For instance, a statute that says various forms are
      required to be filed appear to go back to Internal Revenue officers as
      being the ones required to perform those duties. They also collect and
      turn over the taxes collected.
      
      Since I used to deal with Customs Inspectors who would sign various
      forms at various port locations, I suspect it's a way to say 'after
      you're done bring everything to one central location'. ?
      
      The thing is, I don't know how all of that ties into today's IRC, and
      it'd take more work to get it all together than I wanted to bother
      with, and I figured it wasn't likely to stop the IRS steam-roller
      operations anyway.
      
      Cia
      
      --- In tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com, dolores rudd <dkrudd@...> wrote:
      >
      > The jurat at the bottom of IRS Forms W4, 1040, 940, 941 and other
      forms says you are signing the form under "penalties of perjury."
      >
      > Does anyone know why penalty is plural on these forms?
      
      > I am in the process of researching this further but I am wondering
      if anyone has any information about this or thoughts on where one
      might research to get evidence.
      >

      #15505 From: mobinem@...
      Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:17 pm
      Subject: comment about Title 15
      mobinem@...
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      Let us take a look at just the things we know are facts:
      1) GORPs want to treat us as legal fictions,ie corporations
      2) We know we are natural persons, ie human beings
       
      3) GORPs want to create all kinds of bills against us for their revenue
      4) We want to keep our earnings
       
      5) Most courts are in actuality administrative hearings under some secretive set of rules
      6) We want to use the rules described in the Constitution
       
      1-2) Title 15 deals with natural person, Title 26 does not.
       
      3-6) The IRS collects a supposed debt, if it is a legal tax against a qualified entity they should be able to easily verify this.
       
      3-6) Most citations and assessments are based on the say so of some GORP and not Constitutionally valid.
       
      We will soon know if my theories are correct. I, and apparently several dozen people, have already started using the Title 15 documents. I have heard from so many people that claim that the stuff has worked for them and they did not know it at the time they used it, by demanding a verified assessment. The issue being that so far they have ALL requested that they be anonymous and don't won't to be involved with the patriot thing anymore since the whole Title 26 thing just about destroyed their lives.
       
      Currently the count of pro and cons is at:
      1 writer says I am absolutely right and will immediately change his teaching
      1 gurus says I am nuts and did not expect it from me compared to my other writings
      1 guru doesn't agree and wants me to study more
      12 + laymen have read Title 15 and claim my theory makes everything make sense
      2 people had DOJ cases close in the middle of the case after invoking Title 15 and say get the word out
      1 had the prosecution remove the case and the IRS return all of his money they took
       
       


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      #15506 From: "Doug" <rudi2396@...>
      Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:39 pm
      Subject: Re: nihil dicit judgement
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      Could this be used in some fashion against the IRS or state Rev ??if I have put them in "default" or Statute of Frauds common law of default by non-performance of duty.
      DEFAULT, contracts, torts. By the 4th section of the English statute of frauds, 29 Car. II., c. 3, it is enacted that "no action shall be brought to charge  the defendant upon any special promise to answer for the debt, default, or miscarriage of another person, unless the agreeemant,"&c., "shall be in writing," &c. By default under this statue is understood the non-performance of duty, though the same be not founded on a contract. 2 B. & A 516.   
      ----- Original Message -----
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      Subject: [tips_and_tricks] nihil dicit judgement

      An example of a nihil dicit judgement:

      SUPREME COURT OF NORTH CAROLINA

      *************************************

      )
      Case No 568 A 99
      Albert Coombs
      )
      Plaintiff/Appellant
      )
      NOTICE and DEMAND
      Paul Burge
      )
      for
      Intervener/Appellant
      )
      )
      Nihil Dicit JUDGEMENT
      Vs.
      )
      )
      Sprint Communications Company LP, and
      )
      AT&T Communications of the Southern
      )
      States. Inc.,
      )
      )
      Respondents/Appellees
      )
       
      ___________________________________________

      Appellant/Plaintiffs, Albert Coombs and Appellant/Intervener, Paul Burge hereby Notice this Supreme Court of a Nihil Dicit application. We move this procedure before this court so that it can order the warranted judgement(s)in favor of Appellants petitions for all relief and motions sought in Appellant pleadings. Appellants further request nominal, compensatory, punitive and any other damages that the court deem Just and Proper, inclusive of reasonable compensation for "time" necessarily expended to prosecute this action. Punitive damages are in order due to the Respondents frivolous and non-responsive alleged "answers" to Appellants submissions throughout the 14-month ordeal; which directly caused unnecessary delay and the subsequent appeal to an already overburdened Supreme Court.

      SUPPORT FOR NIHIL DICIT JUDGEMENT

      1. "Nihil Dicit. He says nothing. The name of the judgement which may be taken as of course against a defendant who omits to plead or answer the plaintiffs declaration or complaint within the time limited. In some jurisdictions it is otherwise known as judgement `for want of plea.'" Black's Law 5Th, page 942

      2. "Nihil Dicit Judgement. Judgement entered against defendant, in proceeding in which he is in court but has not filed an answer, is a "nil dicit judgement"; all error of pleading being waived, court examines petition only to determine if it attempts to state a cause of action within the court's jurisdiction." Cite omitted Black's Law 5Th, page 943

      3. This court has jurisdiction pursuant to Jurisdictional statements entered in the Record and Brief on Appeal. The Appellees have not responded to the Record on Appeal nor to the Appellant's Brief appropriately noticed and "served" upon Respondents, and subsequently filed in this Court on December 15, 1999. The allotted time limit to respond of 30 days has long since expired. Therefore the Nil Dicit Judgement is appropriate and in fact in order and therefore, this demand is made through this Court to satisfy the relief requested as presented in the Appellant's Brief.

      4. Appellants rely on the use of this process and in good faith proffer to this court its "remedy" based on a thorough reading of the seventeen North Carolina cases on this subject, some of which are infra;

      R. M. OATES v. W. G. GRAY, 66 N.C. 442 (1872) Supreme Court of North Carolina. ". An entry on the docket of "general issue, stat, lim, with leave," is not sufficient pleading and in the discretion of the Judge below would authorize judgment of nil dicit."

      WESTON v. LUMBER CO., 162 N.C. 165 (1913) 77 S.E. 430 "It is, therefore, not necessary, says a great law writer on this subject, that the judgment should have been awarded upon the decision of an issue, for where it is given for want of a plea, which is judgment by nil dicit, or where it one by non sum informatus, or by confession, or by default, the conclusiveness of it is the same as if the fact had been actually (203) contested by plea or traverse. Stephen on Pleading (9 Am. Ed. by Heard), pp. 109 and 195. This he calls estoppel by record. There was no answer in Mills v. Witherington, supra, and consequently no actual litigation of the title and no specific reference to it in the pleadings."

      5. Appellees are now estopped from entering any rebuttal at all as they have forfeited and waived that right by their inaction and an estoppel now constructively exists. This Court has only now to rule on the evidence of fact and law submitted by Appellants. Appellees were uncooperative of the Administrative process below having failed to respond to the fact and law placed upon the record. They simply offered "general" denials absent the specificity, procedure and clarity, required by law. And NOW, they thumb their noses at our states highest court by failing even to recognize its high importance by ignoring the process placed upon its record.
      HOKE v. EDWARDS AND OTHERS,
      46 N.C. 532 (1854) 2 S.E. 70
      "Upon a default or a nil dicit, on an action of debt, in a Justice's judgment, the plaintiff is entitled to a final judgment, at the time when the default is made, and need not execute an inquiry before a jury."

      6. Since a nil dicit judgement has greater force than a default, and the fact that Appellee's never responded to the three notices to Appeal on the Record; and only responded at the PUC level with [improper form] blanket denials of no substance; and now has not even participated in this Appeal action by entering any "response" at all, compels that a nihil dicit judgement issue instanter. "Judgement taken against party who withdraws his answer is judgement nihil dicit, which amounts to confession of cause of action stated, and carries with it, more strongly than judgement by default, admission of justice in plaintiff's case." Black's Law 5Th Nihil Dicit

      7. From the General Statutes of North Carolina 24-6. Clerk to ascertain interest upon default judgment on bond, covenant, bill, note or signed account. When a suit is instituted on a single bond, a covenant for the payment of money, bill of exchange, promissory note, or a signed account, and the defendant does not plead to issue thereon, upon judgment, the clerk of the court shall ascertain the interest due by law, without a writ of inquiry, and the amount shall be included in the final judgment of the court as damages, which judgment shall be rendered therein in the manner prescribed by 24-5.(1797, c. 475, P.R.; R.C., c. 31, s. 91; Code, s. 531; Rev., s. 1956; C.S., s. 2310.)

      8. Wherefore, Appellants Coombs and Burge, demand, as in a claim of right, an assertion of a substantive legal right, that this court issue a Nihil Dicit Judgement in favor of Appellants on each Relief Demanded in the Appellant's Brief and this Motion.

      Date: February 7, 2000
       


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