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Re: Orpheus and Bulgarian ridiculous claims

excelsaga666, what do you actually know about Thracians and in particular about
Thracian tribes?! Did you know that modern day Bulgarians are the descendants of
the Thracians? Did you also know that northern part of modern Greece was called
Aegean Thrace and these territories were part of Bulgaria just 80 years ago? Are
you an American btw, so I can stop bothering about your "knowlege"?


--- In thracians@yahoogroups.com, "excelsaga666" <excelsaga666@...> wrote:
>
> Orpheus and his myth are unrelated to Bulgaria but since Bulgaria wanted to
boost its tourism and self worth has made outerworldly claims that are utterly
unsubstanstiated.The myth and all writings regarding Orpheus place him in the
regions of ancient Greece and ancient Thrace that correspond to modern Greece.
Not in the regions of thrace that correspond to Bulgaria,Turkey,Fyrom or
anywhere else.Thus they have not even a geographical "excuse" to make such
claims.
> So what is going to happen?
>
> If anyone has not read the myth please do.There is not even a remote relation
between even the region of Bulgaria and Orpheus.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Orpheus.html
>
> What doesnt the world community of historians protest these claims? This has
been going on for years and does not seem to stop.
>





Wed Aug 5, 2009 11:05 pm

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Orpheus and his myth are unrelated to Bulgaria but since Bulgaria wanted to boost its tourism and self worth has made outerworldly claims that are utterly...
excelsaga666
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Aug 5, 2009
10:33 pm

excelsaga666, what do you actually know about Thracians and in particular about Thracian tribes?! Did you know that modern day Bulgarians are the descendants...
aikpost
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Aug 5, 2009
11:05 pm

This is not a reply. You obvioysly dont know the myth among other things.Read it, if you had you would know the simple facts. Modern day Bulgarians are...
excelsaga666
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Aug 5, 2009
11:15 pm

... Are you an American btw, so I can stop bothering about your "knowlege"?> There's no need to get ugly and nationalistic. I am an American and would pit my...
thracophile
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Aug 5, 2009
11:32 pm

I didnt really get the "American" question too.But the rest of what he wrote were pretty irrelevant as well , showed that he ignored the myth and that he just...
excelsaga666
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Aug 5, 2009
11:40 pm

The Ciconians or Cicones, who lived on the southwestern coast of Thrace , thracians whose leader Orpheus was said to have been.Thats not in Bulgaria today.Of...
excelsaga666
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Aug 5, 2009
11:51 pm

Balkan revisionism and chauvinism is been practised by Bulgaria in a most heinous way....
excelsaga666
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Aug 5, 2009
11:54 pm

I'm not sure what point exactly you are trying to make. So, the Kikones lived in an area which is now part of Greece. Most of Bulgaria, however, was clearly...
thracophile
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Aug 6, 2009
12:10 am

The Issue is what i wrote , that you seem to partly realise.Its about Orpheus not about something else like thracian dna or something else in the modern...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
12:24 am

I always wondered why some Bulgarian historians hype Thracians at the expense of Goths, Celts, Huns, Slavs, Greeks and everyone else who traipsed through...
thracophile
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Aug 6, 2009
12:45 am

Aikpost's answer was a good example. They use thracians as they are more ancient, cooler to say it simply and they can correlate them with other important...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
1:09 am

I know he is a thracian and that the Cicones are thracians too. I made the damn group.You didnt seem to understand something here.They are the ones "revising"...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
12:06 am

By the way, I'm enjoying the discussion. I've been a part of this group for what seems like years and the posts have been tantalizingly few. It's nice to...
thracophile
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Aug 6, 2009
12:25 am

Yes, sorry but he really went over the line and my fuse is short when simple things become like that. If he had read the MYTH and knew what the issue was his...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
12:32 am

HE ASKED(pardon my capitals) what do you actually know about Thracians and in particular about Thracian tribes?! WELL SOMETHING TO ALOT SINCE I AM IN HERE AND...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
12:37 am

The Issue remains- Orpheus and his myth are unrelated to Bulgaria but since Bulgaria wanted to boost its tourism and self worth has made outerworldly claims...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
12:41 am

Strident angry nationalism is of course a feature of all modern Balkan nations and bedevils Thracian studies - can't we leave it out here, though? When...
Christopher Webber
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Aug 6, 2009
1:34 am

Its just about Orpheus and this whole Charade or hypocrisy the Bulgarian state has put up.And it has to stop. 1. I did not color the myth/map with...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
1:49 am

Parada was given as a generic mention of the myth for those not familiar with it....
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
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It actually mentions other things as well , you didnt read the whole page. Orpheus, king of the Ciconians- you read this His head fell into the sea and was...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
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Its 5 o'clock in the morning here. I am going to bed.Night people!...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
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This "Bulgarians suddenly discover they are Thracians" deal is just like Fyrom (which are mostly Bulgarians anyways) claiming that they are Macedon and...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
6:52 am

i received some Uber nationalistic emails from aikpost that are in the level of his first reply and above."We are the thracians", "our ancestors" that i am...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
11:04 am

you're guilty of exactly the same sins as you accuse the Bulgarians of. Who possesses the myth? does it matter ? Do you draw racial or ethnographic boundaries...
Doug Melville
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Aug 6, 2009
11:24 am

--They myth does not support their claims.They are erasing it, read the links and the data.Its about something specific. . Therefore they have every right to...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
11:32 am

Since this is too disruptive and too politicaly incorrect we can just leave if you guys want to. Its just so sad that if even Mythology cant be defended how...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
11:48 am

Sources for him being born close to Olympus # Appolonius, Argonautica,1.23 # ^ Orpheus and Greek religion : a study of the Orphic movement by W. K. C. Guthrie,...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
3:25 pm

The issue is comical its like saying just because Turkey has Ionia they are Ionians and all the other peoples in the region....
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
3:52 pm

Strabo [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0198:book=7:chapter=7&highlight=orpheus Strabo,Geography Book 7,Chapter 7]"The city...
excelsaga666
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Aug 6, 2009
4:44 pm

... No, they don't say they are Ionians, but they do maintain, and advertise for purposes of tourism, Ionian (and other) ancient sites. I think this topic is...
thracophile
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Aug 6, 2009
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