Hallo all,

My views are:

I have followed the recent exchanges of emails on the below topic.

The following might be helpful to understand why I think that
almost all parties involved in exchanges of emails somehow has failed
to understand the theosophical teachings.


CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE ESOTERICAL AND THEOSOPHICAL TEACHINGS

Q: What is the connection, if any, between the various methaphysical
and esoterical teachings?

A: There are, in your terms, numerous connections.
The important ones to note are:

1. The world is littered with the remnants of genuine theosophical
activities,
whose actions has become vitiated or repetitious. These remnants sometimes
call themselves
genuine theosophical groups - even if they are not. Somnetimes the even use
the same name
as the original teaching group or groups as if this will make their
activities equally valid.

2. It is a natural law that teachings be renewed in conformity
with the place, TIME, people involved and spiritual needs of the process.
(And not the various individuals wants of the proces.)

Q: What form does the renewal take?

A: Simply this. A Teacher, dedicated to a certain kind of
function, organises and presents the teaching in a manner
suitable to the conditions just cited.


Q: Does this mean that traditional methaphysical and theosophical teachings
which we find find represented in various countries are not now of any real
function, because they represent survivals from a period when they enshrined
real "work" ?

A: That is so.

Q: But how much reality or function do such organisations now have?

A: In your terms, these spiritual, psychological and other systems have
three
main components:-

1. The component of reality, which is ultimate truth, which is
more or less locked in by the human formulator.

2. The component of decay, which is what has crept in at
the point where the effort ceased to act truly, perhaps on
the death of the formulator.

3. The component of outside appearence, which becomes
after a time, unwittingly, the main interest of the participants.
This is the least useful but most attractive component.

(Rewritten slightly from Idries Shah: The Commanding Self, p. 185
"Connections Between the Traditions")

I might later write the following pages of the chapter.
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In the above words I find it clear that the recent exchanges of words on
Leadbeater and various biographies on him
needs the dimension of TIME - or better it needs to relate "the place,
time, people involved and the spiritual needs in the proces"
when talking about Leadbeater.




from
M. sufilight with a happy smile...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@...>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Theos-World Greogory's biggest mistake in life


> It is well known fact that students for Ph.D. do research and write
> thesis mostly to get Ph.D. degree and to prove their ability to do
> scholarly research. Gregory also did some research and wrote thesis.
> He earned doctorate because he did some research mostly related to
> rumors in Leadbeater's life. Till this point what Gregory did was
> logical and sensible from viewpoint of the candidate for Ph.D.
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> But Gregory made big mistake later. His research on rumors - which
> formed very small part of the life of Mr. Leadbeater - was published
> by Gregory as his full biography. In Adyar TS there are large number
> of members who have Ph.D. or master's degree. Most of these scholars
> rejected this biography considering it completely misleading as it
> focused on small part of his life and was published by Gregory as
> full biography of Mr. Leadbeater. These scholars in Adyar TS and
> many outside TS also considered this biography as most unscholarly
> biography. It formed opinion that Gregory does not have capacity to
> do any objective, scholarly research and his character is not pure
> enough to place before world accurate facts in balanced manner.
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> So whatever credit Gregory had earned by getting Ph.D. was lost by
> printing thesis as biography.
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> If he was wise enough, after taking Ph.D. he could have said " thesis
> is written to get Ph.D, I wrote it and earned doctoral degree. Matter
> is over, I don't want to discuss that subject" If he had said so,
> nobody would have ridiculed Gregory or questioned his capacity to do
> research. But after getting doctoral degree also he published that
> small part of Leadbeater's life as biography. Result was hundreds of
> scholars in Theosophical circles and outside ridiculed Gregory,
> considered his work as unscholarly and came to conclusion that
> Gregory lacks capacity to do research and he can't present correct
> picture. So what Gregory earned by getting Ph.D. was lost by
> publishing thesis as biography.
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> Anand Gholap
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