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The discussion about the role and positive or negative aspects of the ULT
reminded me of a few intriguing mysteries about the origins and control
of the ULT.

1. Why was Robert Crosbie ejected from Pt Loma?

2. What has been the role of the DES (the ULT ES organization) in the
control and/or management of the ULT?

3. Who actually has controlled the ULT throughout its development, and
how?

On question (1) there are several versions, notably those of the ULT and
Pt Loma, but there are also "inner" accounts, at least one of which is
probably accurate. The DES (question (2)) remains one of the great
secrets of Theosophical history (not unlike the ER of the Adyar TS); I
hope that its history and teachings will be made accessible to students
of Theosophical history when I complete the history of secret societies
in the Theosophical movement on which John Cooper and I were
collaborating at the time of his passing. But the role of the DES has
been even greater than that of the Adyar and Pt Loma ES groups because it
has remained largely "invisible". For example, it is not, to my
knowledge, referred to in a single history of the Theosophical movement
(and is not, of course, mentioned in the Theosophy Company's history).
Question (3) relates to the real history - as opposed to the vague
historical statements - of the ULT. No organization operates without
leadership and systems of power and control, and those that deny they
have such systems are inevitably more rigidly controlled by those who
actually hold the "non-existent" positions of authority.

I do not in any way denigrate the work (or, particularly, the
publications) of the ULT, but I would venture to suggest that the public
relations position it takes simply misrepresents the reality. Scholars in
the field know, for example, who wrote Theosophy Company's history and
who headed the movement at various stages of its development.

It is, of course, equally true that the real "inner" history of both
Adyar and Pt Loma have never been published. Perhaps a little more open
access, accurate and honest information and the release of historical
material would promote (rather than damage) the Thoeosphical movement?

Dr Gregory Tillett



Wed Jul 10, 1991 8:22 pm

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The discussion about the role and positive or negative aspects of the ULT reminded me of a few intriguing mysteries about the origins and control of the ULT. ...
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Jul 11, 2001
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... If ever a full "real" history of the interaction between the exoteric and esoteric organizations becomes available, it would be very interesting to learn...
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Jul 11, 2001
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A documentary history of the modern Theosophical Movement has been made available for the past 50 to 75 years. THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT : 1875 - 1950 ...
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Jul 11, 2001
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THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT, as interesting as it is (in both significantly different editions), cannot be described as a "documentary history". There is no...
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Thursday, July 12, 2001 Dear Dr. Tillett: Thanks and noted I would however observe that "anonymity" is not a crime, and in this case was deliberately adopted...
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Dr. Tillett, Not being in any way a scholar, I only have these few things to offer as food for thought to the reader: Below your comments, I've posted a...
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Jul 12, 2001
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... Dallas, curiously enough, what you decribe here as the reasons why Robert Crosbie left the Headquarters by free will (according to ULT history) is on the...
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Saturday, July 14, 2001 Dear Frank: From the general tenor of this and several other E-mail notes of this date, there appears to be a great misunderstanding. ...
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Dear Dr. Tillett In answering your questions let me place some "attachments" for you to read. If placed in the body of an E-mail letter it would be very long. ...
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Gregory Tillett in a Theos-Talk posting wrote: "What has been the role of the DES (the ULT ES organization) in the control and/or management of the ULT? . ....
Daniel H. Caldwell
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May 10, 2003
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... one ... Now that does sound interesting. When was this posted and is there any word on when the book will be published?...
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May 10, 2003
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Gregory Tillett in a Theos-Talk posting wrote: "What has been the role of the DES (the ULT ES organization) in the control and/or management of the ULT? . ....
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