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Frank has written that ". . .HPB is regarded by some people as a forerunner of
Hitler...."

Unfortunately, Frank does NOT explain how and why these people would come to
such a conclusion. Furthermore, Frank does NOT tell us whether he is of the
same opinion, i.e.,
HPB was a forerunner of Hitler.

As far as I can tell, HPB and Hitler are at opposite ends of the spectrum!

What pray tell does Hitler have to do with HPB, the Mahatmas and Theosophy?

Personally, I regard Hitler as a FIEND. The dictionary defines a fiend as "a
devil; a demon; a person of great wickedness or maliciousness."

See HPB's article titled KARMIC VISIONS
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/KarmicVisions.htm
where she writes:

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A hideous dream detaches itself from a group of passing visions, and alights
heavily on his aching chest. The night-mare shows him men, expiring on the
battle field with a curse on those who led them to their destruction. Every pang
in his own wasting body brings to him in dream the recollection of pangs still
worse, of pangs suffered through and for him. He sees and feels the torture of
the fallen millions, who die after long hours of terrible mental and physical
agony; who expire in forest and plain, in stagnant ditches by the road-side, in
pools of blood under a sky made black with smoke. His eyes are once more
rivetted to the torrents of blood, every drop of which represents a tear of
despair, a heart-rent cry, a life-long sorrow. He hears again the thrilling
sighs of desolation, and the shrill cries ringing through mount, forest and
valley. He sees the old mothers who have lost the light of their souls;
families, the hand that fed them. He beholds widowed young wives thrown on
the wide, cold world, and beggared orphans wailing in the streets by the
thousands. He finds the young daughters of his bravest old soldiers exchanging
their mourning garments for the gaudy frippery of prostitution, and the Soul-Ego
shudders in the sleeping Form. . . . His heart is rent by the groans of the
famished; his eyes blinded by the smoke of burning hamlets, of homes destroyed,
of towns and cities in smouldering ruins. . . .

"What have they brought thee or to thy fatherland, those bloody victories!"
whispers the Soul in him. "A population clad in iron armour," it replies. "Two
score millions of men dead now to all spiritual aspiration and Soul-life. A
people, henceforth deaf to the peaceful voice of the honest citizen's duty,
averse to a life of peace, blind to the arts and literature, indifferent to all
but lucre and ambition. What is thy future Kingdom, now? A legion of war-puppets
as units, a great wild beast in their collectivity. A beast that, like the sea
yonder, slumbers gloomily now, but to fall with the more fury on the first enemy
that is indicated to it. Indicated, by whom? It is as though a heartless, proud
Fiend, assuming sudden authority, incarnate Ambition and Power, had clutched
with iron hand the minds of a whole country. By what wicked enchantment has he
brought the people back to those primeval days of the nation when their
ancestors, the yellow-haired Suevi, and the treacherous Franks
roamed about in their warlike spirit, thirsting to kill, to decimate and
subject each other? By what infernal powers has this been accomplished? Yet the
transformation has been produced and it is as undeniable as the fact that alone
the Fiend rejoices and boasts of the transformation effected. The whole world is
hushed in breathless expectation. Not a wife or mother, but is haunted in her
dreams by the black and ominous storm-cloud that overhangs the whole of Europe.
The cloud is approaching. . . . . .It comes nearer and nearer Oh woe and horror!
I foresee once more for earth the suffering I have already witnessed. I read the
fatal destiny upon the brow of the flower of Europe's youth. . . .

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Below are some links to informative articles on Hitler and related subjects.

Adolf Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi

Nazi Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

Racial policy of Nazi Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany


Holocaust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

Extermination camps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

Auschwitz concentration camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#Criticisms

Nuremberg Trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials

Holocaust denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews


Anti-Semitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism

Neo-Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

Daniel



Daniel H. Caldwell
BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER/BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
http://blavatskyarchives.com/introduction.htm

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"...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at
their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and
hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision."
H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2
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You can always access our main site by
simply typing into the URL address
bar the following 6 characters:

hpb.cc

See also THEOSOPHY: FROM LONG-SEALED ANCIENT FOUNTAINS
http://www.theosophy.info/

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Frank has written that ". . .HPB is regarded by some people as a forerunner of Hitler...." Unfortunately, Frank does NOT explain how and why these people would...
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... forerunner of Hitler...." ... would come to such a conclusion. Furthermore, Frank does NOT tell us whether he is of the same opinion, i.e., ... spectrum! ...
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... I think that HPB was extremely DEAD when Hitler was more than a few years old. Bart...
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... a few ... HPB may have "died" but she has not been out of the body since then or before. Netemara and if you can't buy that then you have not grasped...
netemara888
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... So, where is it written that, once you die, you come back immediately into a new body? And who is Blavatsky, now? Bart...
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... immediately ... It is written on the back of an old envelope I have wadded up around here somewhere. Don't know if I can find it. though....
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... then ... about ... immediately ... The body rules for rebirth are complex. Some return immediately if they are advanced. It is allowed under the rules of...
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... And of course that makes you DEAD Sure that HPB was contemporary with Hitler's path. BTW, how do you know she was disappointed? Did she tell you? ... And...
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... The Tulku Lamas such as the Dalai and Panchen, do it every time. I'm sure HPB knew all about that and how they do it. Being a Bodhisattva, I'm also sure ...
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... They have an entire system in place, don't they? Makes a difference. ... Her birthday would be May 9, her Sun sign Taurus, Ascendant late Virgo. Female...
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... Yes. I describe it below. ... Well, which May 9 would you pick since she died? ... You bet. So, I don't think she would let that happen, even if she was...
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... 1978, if I were to pick a year. If you're an advanced student of astrology, I could make a case for it. ... You seem to ascribe alot of control to her,...
Ali Hassan
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... Actually, the Birthday of HPB is arguably between July 31 and August 12. She died on May 8th, however. But, If that's the year you think she may have come...
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(Comments below in body of message) ... (snip) ... ml ... Sorry about your inability to follow my "drift" (now, that's a real catchword:-). Actually, you may...
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... By way of the Thule Society, mainly: http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html...
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