Gloing.  The sound of two very large balloons bumping together.  Or one
large tubular bell, struck just right.

I know.  The sound of one of those inspiration particles hitting the
brain.  Sir Pterry knows that one pretty well, I think, don't you?

Cheers
Susan [Not Death]

Gloing is the sound of a rubber ball hitting the pavement, like when bouncing it
in basketball or some such. for a culture that uses pig-bladder, it would be a
new and exciting sound.
I like your explanation better, though.

bobswife <jeunemur@...> wrote:
>
> Stating the obvious, but somebody needs to, right? <grin>
>
> Sound of magic trying to get into the world in physical state.

I like it. Totally different from what I've been thinking and
yet not contradictory at all.  Thanks!

Here's some of mine:
The first time we see the word "gloing" is just before we
first meet Nutt.  Remember when Sir Terry wrote about
words that sound like what things that don't make noise
would sound like if they did make noise?  Examples he gave
were glitter and glisten and gleam.  All words describing
light, as it happens.

Gloing is the sound of the light coming from a candle
that has just been lit in the darkness, giving hope and
enlightenment.

Later on it becomes the sound the new football makes.
Your version, "sound of magic trying to get into the world,"
works perfectly.  The goddess Pedestriana was pushing the
urn (with the rules) forward when the guard unwittingly
invoked her by asking that she come out.  She did, glo(w)ing.

=Tamar

Stating the obvious, but somebody needs to, right? <grin>

Sound of magic trying to get into the world in physical state.  I didn't
describe it well, but _Hogfather_ is one my least favourites and I've only read
it once.

OT: I do hope Glenda returns in a recurring, even if small, role.  She is so
like one of my characters that I am tempted to slide her into my fic through
some wormhole, and let her and my gal have a cuppa together.  What havoc they
could oh so innocently wreak together!  And Pepe could find a great boyfriend
too.

Alright, now on to the *intelligent* discussion of "gloing" ...

~  Nanny Nitt






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I have some ideas about "gloing", but I'd like to hear yours.
Anybody?

=Tamar

Joe Cope <joescuriosityshoppe@...> wrote:
>  Deb Terry <quester@...> wrote:
> > I'm not sure he want to be one with all the other things
> > he is doing. Doesn't he say as much?

He does say that, though his reason is interesting, if true.*

> I would imagine that, if he wanted to, he'd have the
> political power to appoint himself a full professor if he wished.

If it ever becomes necessary, he probably will. Given that
nobody else seems to want the jobs he has, if anything happens
that would require Ponder to be a professor, they'll make him
one over his objections.

*Ponder says he thinks there ought to be one title he doesn't
have.  I suspect there is another reason: professors are
supposed to teach, and he doesn't have time to avoid Room 3b.

=Tamar

I would imagine that, if he wanted to, he'd have the political power
to appoint himself a full professor if he wished.

Joe

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Deb Terry <quester@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure he want to be one with all the other things he is doing.
> Doesn't he say as much?
>
> Deb Terry
>
> From: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mark Syddall
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:40 AM
> To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [The Mended Drum] UA - not really a spoiler
>
> I understand that the title 'Professor' is conferred/achieved at
> different stages in one's acadmic career in the UK and in the US.  A
> quick look on that not necessarily reliable source, Wikipedia, seems to
> corroborate this.
>
> In short, the US uses 'associate professor',
> and other gradings up to full 'professor', whereas the UK has lecture,
> senior lecture, reader, and relatively rarely, 'professor'.  So, if UU
> is a UK-style university, Ponder's chances of ever becoming 'professor'
> are slim.
>
> NH

I'm not sure he want to be one with all the other things he is doing.
Doesn't he say as much?



Deb Terry



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On Behalf Of Mark Syddall
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:40 AM
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [The Mended Drum] UA - not really a spoiler





I understand that the title 'Professor' is conferred/achieved at
different stages in one's acadmic career in the UK and in the US.  A
quick look on that not necessarily reliable source, Wikipedia, seems to
corroborate this.

In short, the US uses 'associate professor',
and other gradings up to full 'professor', whereas the UK has lecture,
senior lecture, reader, and relatively rarely, 'professor'.  So, if UU
is a UK-style university, Ponder's chances of ever becoming 'professor'
are slim.

NH

--- On Sun, 6/12/09, dicconf <dicconf@... <mailto:dicconf%40yahoo.com>
> wrote:

From: dicconf <dicconf@... <mailto:dicconf%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: [The Mended Drum] UA - not really a spoiler
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:themendeddrum%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 20:40

In Unseen Academicals, a question is answered that had come up
somewhere.  Ponder Stibbons, though he is in charge of the Higher Energy
Magic building and several grad students, has never officially become a
Professor.

=Tamar

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I understand that the title 'Professor' is conferred/achieved at
different stages in one's acadmic career in the UK and in the US.  A
quick look on that not necessarily reliable source, Wikipedia, seems to
corroborate this.

In short, the US uses 'associate professor',
and other gradings up to full 'professor', whereas the UK has lecture,
senior lecture, reader, and relatively rarely, 'professor'.  So, if UU
is a UK-style university, Ponder's chances of ever becoming 'professor'
are slim.

NH

--- On Sun, 6/12/09, dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:

From: dicconf <dicconf@...>
Subject: [The Mended Drum] UA - not really a spoiler
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 20:40

In Unseen Academicals, a question is answered that had come up
somewhere.  Ponder Stibbons, though he is in charge of the Higher Energy Magic
building and several grad students, has never officially become a Professor.

=Tamar





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In Unseen Academicals, a question is answered that had come up
somewhere.  Ponder Stibbons, though he is in charge of the Higher Energy Magic
building and several grad students, has never officially become a Professor.

=Tamar

My region-free DVD player is acting up, but I finally managed
to play the UK PAL DVD of the tv production of "Johnny and the Bomb."
It's not bad but they did mess around with the storyline a bit.
That meant it came out a little more like Back to the Future
than I would have preferred.  Still, the ending was done right
and the meaning came through.

I really could have used English subtitles, though; the combination
of strong local accents and my weakening hearing made me glad I'd
already read the book.

=Tamar

I'm disappointed  - in the Region 1 DVD, not in the movie.  I love the Mob's
filmed version, especially since the DVD has all the small bits that were cut
from the TV showing in the US, but I had somehow been led to believe that it had
the English captions, which wasn't true.  The US edition doesn't have them. 
Just as with Hogfather, the deaf population in Region 1 is blocked from enjoying
the filmed Pratchett.  I believe it would have cost little or nothing to include
the captions, since they were already done for the UK edition.  Any ideas why
this is done that way?

=Tamar

Even us Brits miss a lot of the jokes on the first reading and often only pick
some up when reading it again some time later. I think that's the fun of reading
TP's books.

I don't even keep up with American culture, so am hopelessly lost on Brit
stuff.  Bu-bubble?  I am thinking there must be some People-type publication
called something like Hubbub?  Please fill me in; am terribly curious.

Sorry if there are minor spoilers in this post.  Read at own risk if have not
read UA.

Totally loving Unseen Academicals despite my profound ignorance.  I think I know
a Pepe ... and GLENDA!  She is sooo similar to one of my original characters in
my fanfic -- even down to the scene with the knife and the way she feels about
and treats her kitchen.  I am thinking about having my cook quote Glenda at some
point, although I would be the only one who would catch it.

I wasn't as touched by the Patrician's soliloquy regarding the otter as I was by
Glenda's action with the beady-eyed creature.

Nanny Nitt






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Only halfway thru, but if Pepe is from one of the "crab buckets," remember that
early on someone made the point that one other person from a non-human race was
an Ankh-Morpork lad.  There was a remark along the lines of 'He should go back
where he came from' and the rejoiner was that the person was from some region of
dear old A-M.  Sorry to be so fuzzy on details; don't have time to skim the
first half of the book again!

Nanny Nitt, perpetually confused






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"Deb Terry" <quester@...> wrote:
>
> But Tamar, Pepe says he's from Lobbin Clout, one of
> the 'crab buckets' remember? He's a Morpork lad.
> just has become a Dwarf like Carrot is. He's
> spells it out to Glenda after the Fashion show.
> as he's getting totally pissed.

That's a sticky point, yes, but way back I think I remember
Granny saying something disapproving about half-breeds with
slightly pointy ears who sunburned easily, so maybe Pepe is
a halfbreed as well.  Given the behavior of virtually
everyone in the Shades in the old days, they'd fit right
in.  And that's assuming we believe him, even when he's
drunk.  I think the silver knife is the clincher.

=Tamar

But Tamar, Pepe says he's from Lobbin Clout, one of the 'crab buckets'
remember? He's a Morpork lad.just has become a Dwarf like Carrot is. He's
spells it out to Glenda after the Fashion show.as he's getting totally
pissed.



Deb Terry



From: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dicconf
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:13 PM
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [The Mended Drum] Unseen Academicals again






Susan Fox <selene@...> wrote:
> dicconf wrote:
> > Susan Fox <selene@> wrote:
> > > Pepe? I never entirely figured him out.
> >
> > Yes, I was referring to Pepe.
> > Consider: Pepe, effortless fashion sense, and silver.
> > And the theme of one redeeming character that shows
> > any given species might not be totally unredeemable.

> I never quite figured out Pepe's species.
> Not quite a Dwarf was he?
> But dangerous, and what?

Well, who else has showed up in the Ramtops, with a
tendency to be vicious, elegant, and dislike iron?
What species has Terry himself demonized in previous books?

=Tamar





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Susan Fox <selene@...> wrote:
> dicconf wrote:
> > Susan Fox <selene@> wrote:
> > > Pepe? I never entirely figured him out.
> >
> > Yes, I was referring to Pepe.
> > Consider: Pepe, effortless fashion sense, and silver.
> > And the theme of one redeeming character that shows
> > any given species might not be totally unredeemable.

> I never quite figured out Pepe's species.
> Not quite a Dwarf was he?
> But dangerous, and what?

Well, who else has showed up in the Ramtops, with a
tendency to be vicious, elegant, and dislike iron?
What species has Terry himself demonized in previous books?

=Tamar

dicconf wrote:
>
>
> Susan Fox <selene@...> wrote:
> >
> > Now I'm really intrigued. There were some surprising new
> >characters this round. Pepe? I never entirely figured him out.
>
> Yes, I was referring to Pepe.
> Consider: Pepe, effortless fashion sense, and silver.
> And the theme of one redeeming character that shows
> any given species might not be totally unredeemable.
>
> (Incidentally, the same theme could also work for one
> of the new Watch members who is only referred to in one
> line.)
>
> =Tamar
>
I never quite figured out Pepe's species.  Not quite a Dwarf was he?
But dangerous, and what?

Feeling uncomfortably clueless,
Susan [Not Death]

Susan Fox <selene@...> wrote:
>
> Now I'm really intrigued.  There were some surprising new
>characters this round.  Pepe?  I never entirely figured him out.

Yes, I was referring to Pepe.
Consider: Pepe, effortless fashion sense, and silver.
And the theme of one redeeming character that shows
any given species might not be totally unredeemable.

(Incidentally, the same theme could also work for one
of the new Watch members who is only referred to in one
line.)

=Tamar

Am reading UA at the mo, but only in small fits and spurts as am waaaay behind
on my nanowrimo word count.  So I will probably have to abstain from visits to
this beloved Drum for a couple of weeks, until I can catch up with all of you
... so far have LMFAO (and believe me there's a lot of F in my A to laugh off)
over several scenes. 

The other day I was beginning to read the book, and after about 30 pages, Hubby
turned from the computer to where I lay on the bed, chuckling aloud, and said,
"You're reading that guy again, aren't you?"

Poor Hubby must listen to me quoting bits of it to him (totally out of
context, poor dear, and I do the same with Grisham and McCrumb) when
s/t strikes me particularly funny. As the daughter of a college
professor, even though American, sooo much of this is satire right up
my alley.


Have fun but please be patient if I show up again in a few weeks with lots of
quotes and questions and gushing admiration.

Nanny Nitt, alias gammy-the-slug at nanowrimo






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Now I'm really intrigued.  There were some surprising new characters
this round.  Pepe?  I never entirely figured him out.

Susan [Not Death]




dicconf wrote:
>
>
> Not to spoil anything, and it took me a couple of weeks of thinking to
> notice it (so I'm slow...), but IMO there's a real stunner in UA.
> It's one of the totally new characters, and not the one you're likely
> to think it is.
>
> Darn, I wish there were a good way to deal with spoilers in this format.
> In Usenet you could add extra lines to space it below the average
> screen size.
>
> =Tamar
>

Not to spoil anything, and it took me a couple of weeks of thinking to notice it
(so I'm slow...), but IMO there's a real stunner in UA.
It's one of the totally new characters, and not the one you're likely to think
it is.

Darn, I wish there were a good way to deal with spoilers in this format.
In Usenet you could add extra lines to space it below the average screen size.

=Tamar

rob mccolley <mccolley@...> wrote:

>>"the sweet pinkness of its rose."

[versus the actual printed version,
"the sweet pinkness of its roes."]

> It is absolutely not a typo. It's akin to "wool of sheeps." 

But it isn't a nac mac Feegle talking.  It's Lord Vetinari.

=Tamar

> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1b. "the sweet pinkness of its roes"
>     Posted by: "rob mccolley" mccolley@... mccolley
>     Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:18 pm ((PDT))
>

> But the first quoted bit, in my subject heading, must be a double-
> entendre. Surely "roe" refers to a mass of eggs, except in the case
> of the deer fawn?
> So what's the allusion? The google has no hits for "the sweet
> pinkness of its rose."
>

When asked once before where a particularly emotive quote came from, Terry
looked embarrassed, shuffled his feet and said "Look, I'm a writer.
Occasionally, I, you know, make things up"


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It is absolutely not a typo. It's akin to "wool of sheeps." 







--- On Wed, 10/28/09, dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:

From: dicconf <dicconf@...>
Subject: [The Mended Drum] Re: "the sweet pinkness of its roes"
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:48 PM













 







  rob mccolley <mccolley@.. .> wrote:

>

> In the American version, page 229, of Unseen Academicals

<snip>

> the first quoted bit, in my subject heading, must be a

>double-entendre.  Surely "roe" refers to a mass of eggs,

>except in the case of the deer fawn? 

> So what's the allusion? The google has no hits for 

>"the sweet pinkness of its rose."



I think it's deliberate, not a typo.  Roe is indeed a

mass of eggs, but - I'm probably wrong here - I think

fish are like most other living beings in having bilateral

symmetry, so there's more than one mass of eggs in a given

fish - one per side.

Anyway, the chance to imply a rose connection is worth

making it look like a typo.  Given the context of

religion, and the traditional imagery of the rose in

western culture, it works for me as an allusion to

link tons of religious imagery to the moment.



=Tamar




































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rob mccolley <mccolley@...> wrote:
>
> In the American version, page 229, of Unseen Academicals
<snip>
> the first quoted bit, in my subject heading, must be a
>double-entendre. Surely "roe" refers to a mass of eggs,
>except in the case of the deer fawn? 
> So what's the allusion? The google has no hits for 
>"the sweet pinkness of its rose."

I think it's deliberate, not a typo.  Roe is indeed a
mass of eggs, but - I'm probably wrong here - I think
fish are like most other living beings in having bilateral
symmetry, so there's more than one mass of eggs in a given
fish - one per side.
Anyway, the chance to imply a rose connection is worth
making it look like a typo.  Given the context of
religion, and the traditional imagery of the rose in
western culture, it works for me as an allusion to
link tons of religious imagery to the moment.

=Tamar

I found a lot of typos in my copy too Rob, I think there are printers errors
because I'm finding them in a lot of commercially produced books these days.




As for the scene you refer to; I just dropped the book and cried for a good
ten minutes. I think we can all understand what emotions are behind a line
like that.



But I've got to say in my own honest opinion Unseen Academicals is the
finest book Sir Terry has put out in years. I read that he's using a speech
to text program now. Sometimes I have to use one myself because of an
arthritic condition. I bet after adjusting to the process it really freed
him to create such a complex collection of storylines.



Deb Terry



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On Behalf Of rob mccolley
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:18 AM
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [The Mended Drum] "the sweet pinkness of its roes"





In the American version, page 229, of Unseen Academicals; I find a scene
among the most poignant in all of Pterrydom: Vetinari's recounting of the
otter and the salmon.
For those who debated his opinion of gods, it ends with an excellent lesson.
Vetinari says "If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is
up to all of us to become his moral superior."
So there's that. And that alone makes a good scene.
It's seems more cognizable (IMnotveryHO) than most Pratchett depictions of
action.
But the first quoted bit, in my subject heading, must be a double-entendre.
Surely "roe" refers to a mass of eggs, except in the case of the deer fawn?
So what's the allusion? The google has no hits for "the sweet pinkness of
its rose."

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, dicconf <dicconf@...
<mailto:dicconf%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: dicconf <dicconf@... <mailto:dicconf%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [The Mended Drum] Terry Pratchett on barking dogs
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:themendeddrum%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 11:52 PM



egonga85 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

>

> A bit off topic, but why do people think that

> leash laws "don't count" on beaches?

Maybe because nobody has an ancient Agatean cannon

(the "barking dog" - Interesting Times) to shoot at them.

=Tamar















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In the American version, page 229, of Unseen Academicals; I find a scene among
the most poignant in all of Pterrydom: Vetinari's recounting of the otter and
the salmon.
For those who debated his opinion of gods, it ends with an excellent lesson.
Vetinari says "If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to
all of us to become his moral superior."
So there's that. And that alone makes a good scene. 
It's seems more cognizable (IMnotveryHO) than most Pratchett depictions of
action.
But the first quoted bit, in my subject heading, must be a
double-entendre. Surely "roe" refers to a mass of eggs, except in the case of
the deer fawn? 
So what's the allusion? The google has no hits for "the sweet pinkness of its
rose."





--- On Tue, 10/27/09, dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:

From: dicconf <dicconf@...>
Subject: Re: [The Mended Drum] Terry Pratchett on barking dogs
To: themendeddrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 11:52 PM













 







  egonga85 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:

>

> A bit off topic, but why do people think that

> leash laws "don't count" on beaches?



Maybe because nobody has an ancient Agatean cannon

(the "barking dog" - Interesting Times) to shoot at them.



=Tamar




































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egonga85 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> A bit off topic, but why do people think that
> leash laws "don't count" on beaches?

Maybe because nobody has an ancient Agatean cannon
(the "barking dog" - Interesting Times) to shoot at them.

=Tamar