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Saturday, January 7th, 2012 EV


A Public Celebration of Aleister Crowley's Liber XV


THE GNOSTIC MASS


Open Event - 2:00 pm


Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., invites you to join us for a public celebration of


Liber XV: The Gnostic Mass,


our central ritual both public and private.


An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and Magick
of O.T.O.


Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica,
and Ordo Templi Orientis


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Sunday, January 8th, 2012 EV


Invocation of Janus - Ianus Pater
God of beginnings


Open Event: 4:00 PM


Please join us as we stand at the nexus of past-present-future
to invoke the god Janus,
god of beginnings and doorways for peace and prosperity.
As an offering bring one or more of the following: dates, figs, honey
or Musk incense to the ritual.


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Monday, January 9th, 2012 EV


FULL MOON RITE
A Healing Circle for the New Year


Come join sister Carole Linda and the rest of Tahuti Lodge as we gather in
celebration of the Full Moon


Open Event - 7:30 PM




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Wednesday, January 11th, 2012 EV


Magick In Theory & PRACTICE
Study Group


Open Event - 7:45 pm


We will be studying this most important textbook on magick theory and practice a
chapter at a time.  Please bring your copy of MTP or download the files from the
web and read them in advance.


Chapter XX: Of the Eucharist: and of the Art of Alchemy. Part II


http://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap20.html
&
Chapter XXI: OF BLACK MAGIC, OF THE MAIN TYPES OF THE OPERATIONS OF MAGICK ART
AND OF THE POWERS OF THE SPHINX. Part I & II


http://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap21.html



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Saturday, January 14th, 2012 EV




THELEMIC MIDDLE PILLAR RITUAL




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Sunday, January 15th, 2012 EV


Introduction to Alchemical Philosophy


Open Event - 2:00 pm


The method of science, the aim of religion.  Alchemy is, in some ways, the
definitive hermetic art.   The traditional alchemist is a spiritual scientist,
one who investigates the laws of the material world to further understand and
develop the soul.   To the average person the terms, language, and symbolism
used by the alchemist can be confusing and down right misleading.  Join Frater
Marius for an 'Alchemy 101' class in which the terms, methods, and basic
philosophy of western alchemy will be presented and explained.  With a firm
foundation, further practices in spiritual and physical alchemy can then be
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Saturday, January 21st, 2011 EV
Thelema in Pop Culture
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Sunday, January, 22nd, 2012 EV




A Private Celebration of Aleister Crowley's


LIBER XV: THE GNOSTIC MASS




CLOSED & ROBED
for O.T.O. Initiates




Minervals wear black




Closed Event: 2:00 pm


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Saturday, January 28th, 2012 EV


A Public Celebration
of Aleister Crowley's Liber XV


THE GNOSTIC MASS


Open Event - 2:00 pm


Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., invites you to join us for a public celebration of


Liber XV: The Gnostic Mass, our central ritual both public and private.


An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and Magick of O.T.O.


Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and Ordo Templi
Orientis


This Event will take place at our dedicated Temple


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Sunday, January 29th, 2012 EV


TAROT STUDY GROUP:
A Continuing Series


OPEN EVENT
4:00 pm




Please join Frater DSW as he explores the
Tarot Trump XX: THE Aeon






Our aim is to provide a forum to encourage the study and exploration of Tarot.


Participants are encouraged to bring their own Tarot deck  and any books they
have found helpful in understanding the topic at hand.


While Thelemic Tarot images will often be the centerpiece of our discussions,
participants are encouraged to bring a variety of decks to compare and contrast 
the variety of interpretations of a given card.
So please bring our favorite deck or book and contribute to the discussion!




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Wednesday, February 1st , 2012 EV

MAGICK IN THEORY & PRACTICE
Study Group

Open Event:  7:45 pm

We will be studying this most important textbook on magick theory and practice a
chapter at a time. Please bring your copy of MTP or download the files from the
web and read them in advance.

Chapter XXI: OF BLACK MAGIC, OF THE MAIN TYPES OF THE OPERATIONS OF MAGICK ART
AND OF THE POWERS OF THE SPHINX. Part III to the end

http://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap21.html

Although handouts will be available for participants, please read the material
beforehand online
so we can get a lively discussion going.

You can find the entire text of MTP online here:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/aba/

RSVP tahutilodge@... for additional information and directions.

Suggested Donation: $10

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Sunday, February 5th , 2012 EV

IMBOLC RITUAL
Open Event - 4:00 pm

Join Frater D.S.W & Soror Alecto in celebration of the Feast of the Times and
the coming Spring.

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Tuesday, February 7th, 2012 EV

IMBOLC FULL MOON RITUAL

Come join sister Carole Linda and the rest of Tahuti Lodge as we gather in
celebration of the Full Moon

Open Event - 7:30

RSVP tahutilodge@... for additional information and directions.
Suggested Donation: $10

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Saturday, February 11th , 2012 EV

A Public Celebration of Aleister Crowley's Liber XV

THE GNOSTIC MASS

Open Event - 2:00 pm

Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., invites you to join us for a public celebration of

Liber XV: The Gnostic Mass, our central ritual both public and private.
An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and Magick of O.T.O.

Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and Ordo Templi
Orientis

This Event will take place at our dedicated Temple
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Sunday, February 12th , 2012 EV

YOGA FOR MAGICIANS in Theory & Practice

Open Event - 2:00 pm

Please join us as we explore the theory and practice of yoga for the ceremonial
magician.

In this series, we will be reading Crowley's 8 Lectures on Yoga, practicing
asanas,
pranayama and mantras using the traditional Sanskrit.

Please read and bring with you the First Lecture on Yoga, with a link
here:http://hermetic.com/crowley/eight-lectures-on-yoga/8yoga1.html
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THELEMIC MIDDLE PILLAR RITUAL

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Saturday, February 25th , 2012 EV

TAROT STUDY GROUP: A Continuing Series

OPEN EVENT - 4:00 pm

Please join Frater Marius as he finishes the series
With the Tarot Trump XXI: The Universe

Our aim is to provide a forum to encourage the study and exploration of Tarot.
Participants are encouraged to bring their own Tarot deck  and any books they
have found helpful in understanding the topic at hand.

While Thelemic Tarot images will often be the centerpiece of our discussions,
participants are encouraged to bring a variety of decks to compare and contrast 
the variety of interpretations of a given card.

So please bring your favorite deck or book and contribute to the discussion!
To RSVP for this event and receive directions, please email
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Suggested donation: $10

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Sunday, February 26th , 2012 EV

A Public Celebration of Aleister Crowley's Liber XV

THE GNOSTIC MASS

Open Event - 2:00 pm

Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., invites you to join us for a public celebration of

Liber XV: The Gnostic Mass, our central ritual both public and private.
An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and Magick of O.T.O.

Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and Ordo Templi
Orientis

This Event will take place at our dedicated Temple

To RSVP for this event and receive directions,
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The letter was a joke at Kelly's expense. No, Bertiaux is not a member of OTO
nor wants to be, nor has every BEEN one. Since the time of the writing of this
letter, it seems the OTO has been doing quite a bit of damage to itself!

Kevin L. Davis


--- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, christitan@... wrote:
>
> 93
>
>  There is a letter Bertiaux wrote concerning the Chronzon Club and
> it's aims "to sodimize the OTO". I am sure we are all familiar with
> this. I believe I saw it on Peter K's site. How serious was he? What
> are the hostile magick currents OTO faces? Has Chronzon Club
> succeeded in "sodimizing the OTO" by aid of UR-Tensors and
> Necronomicon Physics? It sure seems that the *division* in the body
> of the order is Primarily from these "Necronomicon Monsters" parading
> as candidates for initiation.
>  Is Bertiaux regular OTO? Is he well respected and are his dues in
> good standing? I'm sure this is none of my business, but it smells
> fishy. The fact that the fragmented souls are attracted to his sci-fi
> teachings is pretty evident that it represents a taint in the
> current.
>  On the old tree, when you cross the abyss is around the same time
> you are required to establish your own organ to perpetrate the
> mysteries. Motta and Bertiaux both smack of Black Brothers who have
> failed to divest themselves of ego. They have seemed to pass this
> fault along to their lineages, perhaps something has gone wrong in
> the anal absorbtion of tainted talis.
>  Excuse me while I dodge fire balls for writing this. I am surely out
> of line for making such an accusation about a living brother. But the
> letter was written at some point and is cause for some reflection.
> The problems that face OTO and the establisment of the Law of Thelema
> don't seem to concern magickal initiation or it's execution, but seem
> to stem from deeply emotional disturbances.
>
>  Who pissed in the pool?
>
> CT
>
> P.S. I'm pretty sure one of the moderators of this list has done a
> tremendous amount of work on the Chronzon current in a positive
> light. What info might you have on the CC and problems facing OTO?
>

93 Chris,

> --- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, christitan@... wrote:
>> There is a letter Bertiaux wrote concerning the Chronzon Club and
>> it's aims "to sodimize the OTO". I am sure we are all familiar with
>> this.

I was not. I don't usually keep track of the squabbles within the Thelemic
subculture because nouveaureligious are immature and prone to
character assassination. Brother Koenig is only slightly above this
standard (he entered into personal sparring here whenever someone
questioned his data or had a different opinion, no matter how respectful
the individual might be; for this reason he had to be moderated).

>> I believe I saw it on Peter K's site.

see for example,

http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/7069/bertiaux.html

>> How serious was he?

Bertiaux refers to his OTO as the OTOA. I gather that he is not a
serious contender, therefore, about that much, for long, and was
less interested in contending for the OTO identifier than Kenneth
Grant, who may have let it run to publishing and legal
expressions/contentions before backing down.

compare Motta, who took it out to the Ninth Circuit Courts US.
there are still unofficial contenders without gravitas.

>> What
>> are the hostile magick currents OTO faces?

I'm not aware that there are any serious contenders.
ultimately that's a social thing without much value.

>> Has Chronzon Club
>> succeeded in "sodimizing the OTO" by aid of UR-Tensors and
>> Necronomicon Physics?

how would we go about evaluating this? are we talking about the
whole of the membership or just its upper echelon? is sodomizing
the achievement of the XI' aim?

>> It sure seems that the *division* in the body
>> of the order is Primarily from these "Necronomicon Monsters" parading
>> as candidates for initiation.

this sounds quite figmentary to me. since the Necronomicon was initiated
within fiction, and has barely progressed beyond this to assume a status
of fairly unconvincing character thusfar (cf. Price, Harms, et al), why might
anyone seriously seeking initiation be related to it?

>> Is Bertiaux regular OTO? Is he well respected and are his dues in
>> good standing? I'm sure this is none of my business, but it smells
>> fishy.

I think it is fairly well-known by this point that his OTOA is a competitor,
but little more. mostly it appears that his interests are churchy and
that surrounding the city of Chicago. the wandering bishops stories
seem to allow a repeated contention about churchy authority, and now
that the OTO's church has consolidated and clarified its hierarchy, there
is little to confuse it with something else or provide a leverage to attempt
to undermine its integrity. arguably this killed the individualism principles
which some maintain used to exist within the OTO promulgation of the
Law of Thelema, but again, establishing any of these things is complex.

the usual argument is that promulgation of, or protection of, something
individualistic is assisted by a corporate project. this is supposedly worth
temporarily sacrificing that individualism in pursuit of its protection for
the greater good. whether that comes to pass OUTSIDE the corporate
project is the real test. we should then look for what might have been
inspired by, or preserved by, any order promulgating said Law.

>> The fact that the fragmented souls are attracted to his sci-fi
>> teachings is pretty evident that it represents a taint in the
>> current.

I strongly disagree. the rational standards of occultists are prone to
severe purturbances of sci-fi influence. this was demonstrated with
the development out of Hubbard, and links from the Beast to Lam.

>> On the old tree,

there isn't just one of these. dogmatism derived from Luria isn't a
sufficient justification for selecting one except for an order, NOT for
a movement (i.e. Thelema, occultism, Qabalah, etc.).

>> when you cross the abyss is around the same time
>> you are required to establish your own organ to perpetrate the
>> mysteries.

please understand that these are conventions supposed by those
within a very restricted set of precursors. compare Lowie and his
notions about anthropology. his ideas were flawed in that he was
generalizing not ONLY about how society's progress but about
what *constituted* such progress. the science of anthropology had
to throw out his entire schema in pursuit of real data. this is to be
the case with respect to all previous qabalistic generalizations too.
while they may have proven sufficient for those who espoused them
(say, Golden Dawn members, or those such as Case in his very
BEAUTIFUL "The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order", these are
rudimentary constructs and, like 777, only apply within limited spheres.
that these have been dogmatized and universalized is a problem
primarily of religious interests.

>> Motta and Bertiaux both smack of Black Brothers

I think I have adequately addressed the problem of identifying "Black
Brothers" as dualistic and insufficiently precise divisiveness. not only
this, the rudimentary psychology employed by those who purport to
subsume the individual to the mass in pursuit of authority does not
make reasonable the relegation of our targets to the category.

>> who have failed to divest themselves of ego.

doing so is effectively subjective suicide. those who claim to have done
this are either mistaken, lying, or misunderstood. it is strategically
advantageous to proclaim one's lack of ego. the reality is that, whether
it is central to the conscious volition, its function is apparent in all who
act to do things in the world. the Magus does this, and is therefore
completely misunderstood by occultists presuming an ego-destruction.
we cannot trust a Crowley to evaluate this properly due to his failure
to come to terms with his own psychological conditions.

>> They have seemed to pass this
>> fault along to their lineages, perhaps something has gone wrong in
>> the anal absorbtion of tainted talis.

such characteristics predispose to humour.

>> Excuse me while I dodge fire balls for writing this.

perhaps you intended to receive them, but I doubt that you will. those
who remain interested are predominantly reflective and well-spoken.
those who are prone to lob them have either moved on or been
rendered mute.

>> I am surely out
>> of line for making such an accusation about a living brother.

it fits fine for the general milieu of recriminations. it might be mapped
to a particular zone of a conventional, possibly Yesodic in a Plutonian
dung-eon.

>> But the
>> letter was written at some point and is cause for some reflection.

it's amusing! look at those drawings! what wonderful outrageousness!
who could take it seriously?! it is one of the things about Brother Bertiaux
that i love that he seems to have such a sense of humour.

>> The problems that face OTO and the establisment of the Law of Thelema

promulgation. the Law exists, at least as promulgated. the interest is,
thereafter, to make it known, to have it be taken advantage of. if this is
unclear, then there is further need for promulgation, and the OTO may
have insufficiently done its job (at least within these quarters).

>> don't seem to concern magickal initiation or it's execution,

these are structures, not principles of personal development per se.

>> but seem
>> to stem from deeply emotional disturbances.

or amused pot-stirring, yes.

>> Who pissed in the pool?

envy, stimulus, social contention, and a desire to reflect possible maturity
problems after taking something seriously that may have been meant in
jest. the issue is about the line of expression and its intent.

>> P.S. I'm pretty sure one of the moderators of this list has done a

>> tremendous amount of work on the Chronzon current in a positive
>> light.

that might be me, though I'm not sure if i qualify. I've explored how it may
be that what is taken as 'Black Brothers' may be approaching spiritual
development from a different standard, and interpreted the demonizing
engaged by Crowley in a different light which are, comparably, similar
to expressions by Kenneth Grant (I ran parallel, it seemed, within my
text "Liber Nigris").

>> What info might you have on the CC and problems facing OTO?

I don't know anything about the Choronzon Club. I'd like to hear more.

the problems you see to be pointing toward originate or surround a bit
of correspondence dating from 1979. that's 33 years ago. could you
point to something more recent indicating the problems OTO may be
facing? I don't see that that one lasted. thanks.

E6

nigris (333)
nagasiva@...

----- Original Message -----
From: nagasiva yronwode
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: [t93] Re: Bertiaux-Choronzon Club and Necronomicon Physics?

Wrote:

>I don't usually keep track of the squabbles within the Thelemic
>subculture because nouveaureligious are immature and prone to
>character assassination.

Both your patience and your restraint are marvels to behold, bro!

Bliss:
Alamantra
http://alamantra.org


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi:
Michael does not consider OTOA any form of OTO at all, and certainly not a
"contender" to the OTO claim. That is a mistake based on the similarity of the
names.
There are several manifestations of the Choronzon Club: I can only tell you
about that of Russell; Bertiaux took his in a different direction. While I took
my authority from him, I choose to work the system of the 1930's.
As I said, the note in question was written as a bad joke at the expense of
Kelly after a few drinks, and has no real significance other than to provoke
debates like this one.
K.


--- On Mon, 2/27/12, nagasiva yronwode <nagasiva@...> wrote:

From: nagasiva yronwode <nagasiva@...>
Subject: [t93] Re: Bertiaux-Choronzon Club and Necronomicon Physics?
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 2:58 PM
















 









       93 Chris,



> --- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, christitan@... wrote:

>> There is a letter Bertiaux wrote concerning the Chronzon Club and

>> it's aims "to sodimize the OTO". I am sure we are all familiar with

>> this.



I was not. I don't usually keep track of the squabbles within the Thelemic

subculture because nouveaureligious are immature and prone to

character assassination. Brother Koenig is only slightly above this

standard (he entered into personal sparring here whenever someone

questioned his data or had a different opinion, no matter how respectful

the individual might be; for this reason he had to be moderated).



>> I believe I saw it on Peter K's site.



see for example,



http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/7069/bertiaux.html



>> How serious was he?



Bertiaux refers to his OTO as the OTOA. I gather that he is not a

serious contender, therefore, about that much, for long, and was

less interested in contending for the OTO identifier than Kenneth

Grant, who may have let it run to publishing and legal

expressions/contentions before backing down.



compare Motta, who took it out to the Ninth Circuit Courts US.

there are still unofficial contenders without gravitas.



>> What

>> are the hostile magick currents OTO faces?



I'm not aware that there are any serious contenders.

ultimately that's a social thing without much value.



>> Has Chronzon Club

>> succeeded in "sodimizing the OTO" by aid of UR-Tensors and

>> Necronomicon Physics?



how would we go about evaluating this? are we talking about the

whole of the membership or just its upper echelon? is sodomizing

the achievement of the XI' aim?



>> It sure seems that the *division* in the body

>> of the order is Primarily from these "Necronomicon Monsters" parading

>> as candidates for initiation.



this sounds quite figmentary to me. since the Necronomicon was initiated

within fiction, and has barely progressed beyond this to assume a status

of fairly unconvincing character thusfar (cf. Price, Harms, et al), why might

anyone seriously seeking initiation be related to it?



>> Is Bertiaux regular OTO? Is he well respected and are his dues in

>> good standing? I'm sure this is none of my business, but it smells

>> fishy.



I think it is fairly well-known by this point that his OTOA is a competitor,

but little more. mostly it appears that his interests are churchy and

that surrounding the city of Chicago. the wandering bishops stories

seem to allow a repeated contention about churchy authority, and now

that the OTO's church has consolidated and clarified its hierarchy, there

is little to confuse it with something else or provide a leverage to attempt

to undermine its integrity. arguably this killed the individualism principles

which some maintain used to exist within the OTO promulgation of the

Law of Thelema, but again, establishing any of these things is complex.



the usual argument is that promulgation of, or protection of, something

individualistic is assisted by a corporate project. this is supposedly worth

temporarily sacrificing that individualism in pursuit of its protection for

the greater good. whether that comes to pass OUTSIDE the corporate

project is the real test. we should then look for what might have been

inspired by, or preserved by, any order promulgating said Law.



>> The fact that the fragmented souls are attracted to his sci-fi

>> teachings is pretty evident that it represents a taint in the

>> current.



I strongly disagree. the rational standards of occultists are prone to

severe purturbances of sci-fi influence. this was demonstrated with

the development out of Hubbard, and links from the Beast to Lam.



>> On the old tree,



there isn't just one of these. dogmatism derived from Luria isn't a

sufficient justification for selecting one except for an order, NOT for

a movement (i.e. Thelema, occultism, Qabalah, etc.).



>> when you cross the abyss is around the same time

>> you are required to establish your own organ to perpetrate the

>> mysteries.



please understand that these are conventions supposed by those

within a very restricted set of precursors. compare Lowie and his

notions about anthropology. his ideas were flawed in that he was

generalizing not ONLY about how society's progress but about

what *constituted* such progress. the science of anthropology had

to throw out his entire schema in pursuit of real data. this is to be

the case with respect to all previous qabalistic generalizations too.

while they may have proven sufficient for those who espoused them

(say, Golden Dawn members, or those such as Case in his very

BEAUTIFUL "The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order", these are

rudimentary constructs and, like 777, only apply within limited spheres.

that these have been dogmatized and universalized is a problem

primarily of religious interests.



>> Motta and Bertiaux both smack of Black Brothers



I think I have adequately addressed the problem of identifying "Black

Brothers" as dualistic and insufficiently precise divisiveness. not only

this, the rudimentary psychology employed by those who purport to

subsume the individual to the mass in pursuit of authority does not

make reasonable the relegation of our targets to the category.



>> who have failed to divest themselves of ego.



doing so is effectively subjective suicide. those who claim to have done

this are either mistaken, lying, or misunderstood. it is strategically

advantageous to proclaim one's lack of ego. the reality is that, whether

it is central to the conscious volition, its function is apparent in all who

act to do things in the world. the Magus does this, and is therefore

completely misunderstood by occultists presuming an ego-destruction.

we cannot trust a Crowley to evaluate this properly due to his failure

to come to terms with his own psychological conditions.



>> They have seemed to pass this

>> fault along to their lineages, perhaps something has gone wrong in

>> the anal absorbtion of tainted talis.



such characteristics predispose to humour.



>> Excuse me while I dodge fire balls for writing this.



perhaps you intended to receive them, but I doubt that you will. those

who remain interested are predominantly reflective and well-spoken.

those who are prone to lob them have either moved on or been

rendered mute.



>> I am surely out

>> of line for making such an accusation about a living brother.



it fits fine for the general milieu of recriminations. it might be mapped

to a particular zone of a conventional, possibly Yesodic in a Plutonian

dung-eon.



>> But the

>> letter was written at some point and is cause for some reflection.



it's amusing! look at those drawings! what wonderful outrageousness!

who could take it seriously?! it is one of the things about Brother Bertiaux

that i love that he seems to have such a sense of humour.



>> The problems that face OTO and the establisment of the Law of Thelema



promulgation. the Law exists, at least as promulgated. the interest is,

thereafter, to make it known, to have it be taken advantage of. if this is

unclear, then there is further need for promulgation, and the OTO may

have insufficiently done its job (at least within these quarters).



>> don't seem to concern magickal initiation or it's execution,



these are structures, not principles of personal development per se.



>> but seem

>> to stem from deeply emotional disturbances.



or amused pot-stirring, yes.



>> Who pissed in the pool?



envy, stimulus, social contention, and a desire to reflect possible maturity

problems after taking something seriously that may have been meant in

jest. the issue is about the line of expression and its intent.



>> P.S. I'm pretty sure one of the moderators of this list has done a



>> tremendous amount of work on the Chronzon current in a positive

>> light.



that might be me, though I'm not sure if i qualify. I've explored how it may

be that what is taken as 'Black Brothers' may be approaching spiritual

development from a different standard, and interpreted the demonizing

engaged by Crowley in a different light which are, comparably, similar

to expressions by Kenneth Grant (I ran parallel, it seemed, within my

text "Liber Nigris").



>> What info might you have on the CC and problems facing OTO?



I don't know anything about the Choronzon Club. I'd like to hear more.



the problems you see to be pointing toward originate or surround a bit

of correspondence dating from 1979. that's 33 years ago. could you

point to something more recent indicating the problems OTO may be

facing? I don't see that that one lasted. thanks.



E6



nigris (333)

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93 Kevin,

>> ...No, Bertiaux is not a member of OTO nor wants to be, nor has every BEEN
one.

thanks, it sounds like you may know him.

>> Since the time of the writing of this letter, it seems the OTO has been doing
quite
>> a bit of damage to itself!

please expand on this.

> Michael does not consider OTOA any form of OTO at all,

why the name, then? I.e. why call it "Ordo Templi Orientis Antiqua" unless there
was some interest in taking attention away from OTO or unless there was
conception that there was some (symbolic?) connection to the original?

> and certainly not a "contender" to the OTO claim.

yes, I gather that TOTO isn't one either since adding the T. maybe it was the
symbolism of the acronym that drew him?

> That is a mistake based on the similarity of the names.

that's odd. why isn't the complete containment of one name by another not
'a similarity of names' but 'an appropriation of the name'?

> There are several manifestations of the Choronzon Club: I can only tell you
> about that of Russell; Bertiaux took his in a different direction. While I
took
> my authority from him, I choose to work the system of the 1930's.

keen.

> As I said, the note in question was written as a bad joke at the expense of
> Kelly after a few drinks,

that's really cool.

> and has no real significance other than to provoke debates like this one.
> K.

I don't know, it's kind of fun. I always thought that the name of the CC was
also spirited and potentially meaningful.

I hadn't noticed this was a debate yet. do you really think so?

nigris (333)
nagasiva@...

Hi: Let me address a few points:



>> ...No, Bertiaux is not a member of OTO nor wants to be, nor has every BEEN
one.



thanks, it sounds like you may know him.[Yes, we are acquainted. He has no
leanings towards OTO whatsoever.]



>> Since the time of the writing of this letter, it seems the OTO has been doing
quite

>> a bit of damage to itself!



please expand on this.[I'd rather not go into that; the OTO is degrading in all
kinds of ways, thanks in large part to the quality of the newer members. It's a
club at this point.]



> Michael does not consider OTOA any form of OTO at all,



why the name, then? I.e. why call it "Ordo Templi Orientis Antiqua" unless there

was some interest in taking attention away from OTO or unless there was

conception that there was some (symbolic?) connection to the original?


[Why should it matter? There was a connection to Papus via Haiti (Gerard
Encausse) prior to AC's involvement, but it involved into a new organization and
is no longer "OTO" per se; similarity of names has nothing to do with similarity
in purpose. Since this came earlier, technically the name OTO is similar to
OTOA, rather than the reverse.]

> and certainly not a "contender" to the OTO claim.



yes, I gather that TOTO isn't one either since adding the T. maybe it was the

symbolism of the acronym that drew him?



> That is a mistake based on the similarity of the names.



that's odd. why isn't the complete containment of one name by another not

'a similarity of names' but 'an appropriation of the name'?[As I said; this
transition predated the AC days...]


> There are several manifestations of the Choronzon Club: I can only tell you

> about that of Russell; Bertiaux took his in a different direction. While I
took

> my authority from him, I choose to work the system of the 1930's.



keen.



> As I said, the note in question was written as a bad joke at the expense of

> Kelly after a few drinks,



that's really cool.



> and has no real significance other than to provoke debates like this one.

> K.



I don't know, it's kind of fun. I always thought that the name of the CC was

also spirited and potentially meaningful.



I hadn't noticed this was a debate yet. do you really think so?



nigris (333)

nagasiva@...



























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416 Kevin,

>>>> ...No, Bertiaux is not a member of OTO nor wants to be, nor has every BEEN
one.
>>
>> thanks, it sounds like you may know him.
>
> Yes, we are acquainted. He has no leanings towards OTO whatsoever.

hm, maybe Aleister Crowley or Theodore Reuss or Karl Kellner had some kind of
fascination with Papus!


>>> Since the time of the writing of this letter, it seems the OTO has been
doing quite
>>> a bit of damage to itself!
>>
>> please expand on this.
>
> I'd rather not go into that;

ah, a swipe and dodge, got it.

> the OTO is degrading in all kinds of ways,

I see, so you want to make negative comments without explaining.
this sounds like order-envy. I don't mind the criticism of any OTO here,
and your interest in issuing slams without substance seems to be going
askew your contentions to the contrary.

> thanks in large part to the quality of the newer members.

since 1979? within the last few years? in the non-US nations?
what did someone tell you that the OTO *was* aside from a club?
an esoteric order? a church? is the Choronzon Club *not* a club?
below you describe it as a system.

> It's a club at this point.

was it ever *not* a club? what ideals did it fail for you? many people
who criticize the OTO seem to do so out of abject ignorance or from
a position of envy and wanting to replace it with their own preferences
and pretensions.


>>> Michael does not consider OTOA any form of OTO at all,
>>
>> why the name, then? I.e. why call it "Ordo Templi Orientis Antiqua" unless
there
>> was some interest in taking attention away from OTO or unless there was
>> conception that there was some (symbolic?) connection to the original?

> Why should it matter?

to whom? when impersonation of esoteric orders takes place, then it becomes
an issue of authenticity and competition. it's pretty obvious. I have heard a
number of contentions from ostensible members of the OTOA that it was the
'real OTO' or more valuable, real deal, etc. maybe they were pulling my legs.

> There was a connection to Papus via Haiti (Gerard Encausse) prior to AC's
> involvement,

AC's involvement in the OTOA? I'm confused. this sounds vague.

> but it involved into a new organization and is no longer "OTO" per se;

how odd! so you have a completely different historical derivation of the
OTO than the OTO does? and the OTOA *doesn't* have connection or
interest in displacement? is there anywhere that these competing
historical contentions are placed side by side? I'm sorry, but i've been
benighted by the (c)OTO into ignoring your history. can you clarify?

> similarity of names has nothing to do with similarity in purpose.

that makes sense, especially as different people have different
ideals and motivations for what they are doing, different
interpretations of the past, emblems, rites, orders, etc.

I find it fascinating, and thus try to focus on it when it erupts in
threads such as this one. I realize that many others will not
have the endurance for it like i do because they're involved.

> Since this came earlier, technically the name OTO is similar
> to OTOA, rather than the reverse.
> and certainly not a "contender" to the OTO claim.


fascinating! maybe I don't know what OTOA expands to. I'd say
that 'similar' is an understatement if 'OTO' as an acronym is the
*EXACT SAME SET OF WORDS*. it does remind me, i must
say, of the Ancients and the Moderns of Freemasonry. would
you say that there is an exact parallel here?


>> that's odd. why isn't the complete containment of one name by another not
>> 'a similarity of names' but 'an appropriation of the name'?

> As I said; this transition predated the AC days...

you seemed to say that Crowley was actually involved with the OTOA prior
to the OTO. I must be misunderstanding. I'll have to go look up on Peter's
website.


>> There are several manifestations of the Choronzon Club: I can only tell you
>> about that of Russell; Bertiaux took his in a different direction. While I
took
>> my authority from him, I choose to work the system of the 1930's.

so even though it is a "Club", you are talking about a system, so it isn't a
club?
how confusing! is it an order, then, or a church, or ? where might this
structure
and history or derivation be explained in some detail? Wikipedia? Koenig?

>> and has no real significance other than to provoke debates like this one.
>
> I hadn't noticed this was a debate yet. do you really think so?

I'm beginning to think i understand why you think your claims provoking and
likely to generate some kind of debate. it sounds like you are being evasive
as to the contenteous nature of your descriptions, revising histories, and
then pretending that it is all water under the bridge and unimportant while
proclaiming how low has sunk your actual competitor.

fascinating. thanks for disclosing your knowledge. I presume that you will
withdraw so as not to become embroiled in the debate you provoke, but
look forward to any additional provocation or contention you see fit to issue!

in the bonds of the order,

nigris (333)
nagasiva@...

I'm vague out of respect for Michael; I will, however, try to address your
points ASAP..in class now.
 
K.

--- On Tue, 2/28/12, nagasiva yronwode <nagasiva@...> wrote:


From: nagasiva yronwode <nagasiva@...>
Subject: [t93] OTO and OTOA::Moderns and Ancients?
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 2:59 PM



 



416 Kevin,

>>>> ...No, Bertiaux is not a member of OTO nor wants to be, nor has every BEEN
one.
>>
>> thanks, it sounds like you may know him.
>
> Yes, we are acquainted. He has no leanings towards OTO whatsoever.

hm, maybe Aleister Crowley or Theodore Reuss or Karl Kellner had some kind of
fascination with Papus!

>>> Since the time of the writing of this letter, it seems the OTO has been
doing quite
>>> a bit of damage to itself!
>>
>> please expand on this.
>
> I'd rather not go into that;

ah, a swipe and dodge, got it.

> the OTO is degrading in all kinds of ways,

I see, so you want to make negative comments without explaining.
this sounds like order-envy. I don't mind the criticism of any OTO here,
and your interest in issuing slams without substance seems to be going
askew your contentions to the contrary.

> thanks in large part to the quality of the newer members.

since 1979? within the last few years? in the non-US nations?
what did someone tell you that the OTO *was* aside from a club?
an esoteric order? a church? is the Choronzon Club *not* a club?
below you describe it as a system.

> It's a club at this point.

was it ever *not* a club? what ideals did it fail for you? many people
who criticize the OTO seem to do so out of abject ignorance or from
a position of envy and wanting to replace it with their own preferences
and pretensions.

>>> Michael does not consider OTOA any form of OTO at all,
>>
>> why the name, then? I.e. why call it "Ordo Templi Orientis Antiqua" unless
there
>> was some interest in taking attention away from OTO or unless there was
>> conception that there was some (symbolic?) connection to the original?

> Why should it matter?

to whom? when impersonation of esoteric orders takes place, then it becomes
an issue of authenticity and competition. it's pretty obvious. I have heard a
number of contentions from ostensible members of the OTOA that it was the
'real OTO' or more valuable, real deal, etc. maybe they were pulling my legs.

> There was a connection to Papus via Haiti (Gerard Encausse) prior to AC's
> involvement,

AC's involvement in the OTOA? I'm confused. this sounds vague.

> but it involved into a new organization and is no longer "OTO" per se;

how odd! so you have a completely different historical derivation of the
OTO than the OTO does? and the OTOA *doesn't* have connection or
interest in displacement? is there anywhere that these competing
historical contentions are placed side by side? I'm sorry, but i've been
benighted by the (c)OTO into ignoring your history. can you clarify?

> similarity of names has nothing to do with similarity in purpose.

that makes sense, especially as different people have different
ideals and motivations for what they are doing, different
interpretations of the past, emblems, rites, orders, etc.

I find it fascinating, and thus try to focus on it when it erupts in
threads such as this one. I realize that many others will not
have the endurance for it like i do because they're involved.

> Since this came earlier, technically the name OTO is similar
> to OTOA, rather than the reverse.
> and certainly not a "contender" to the OTO claim.

fascinating! maybe I don't know what OTOA expands to. I'd say
that 'similar' is an understatement if 'OTO' as an acronym is the
*EXACT SAME SET OF WORDS*. it does remind me, i must
say, of the Ancients and the Moderns of Freemasonry. would
you say that there is an exact parallel here?

>> that's odd. why isn't the complete containment of one name by another not
>> 'a similarity of names' but 'an appropriation of the name'?

> As I said; this transition predated the AC days...

you seemed to say that Crowley was actually involved with the OTOA prior
to the OTO. I must be misunderstanding. I'll have to go look up on Peter's
website.

>> There are several manifestations of the Choronzon Club: I can only tell you
>> about that of Russell; Bertiaux took his in a different direction. While I
took
>> my authority from him, I choose to work the system of the 1930's.

so even though it is a "Club", you are talking about a system, so it isn't a
club?
how confusing! is it an order, then, or a church, or ? where might this
structure
and history or derivation be explained in some detail? Wikipedia? Koenig?

>> and has no real significance other than to provoke debates like this one.
>
> I hadn't noticed this was a debate yet. do you really think so?

I'm beginning to think i understand why you think your claims provoking and
likely to generate some kind of debate. it sounds like you are being evasive
as to the contenteous nature of your descriptions, revising histories, and
then pretending that it is all water under the bridge and unimportant while
proclaiming how low has sunk your actual competitor.

fascinating. thanks for disclosing your knowledge. I presume that you will
withdraw so as not to become embroiled in the debate you provoke, but
look forward to any additional provocation or contention you see fit to issue!

in the bonds of the order,

nigris (333)
nagasiva@...








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On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Kevin Davis:
> I'm vague out of respect for Michael; I will, however, try to address your
points ASAP..in class now.

I'd appreciate that, thanks.

nigris (333)
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tahutilodge(at)tahutilodge.org


Suggested donation: $10


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Tuesday, April 10th


A FEAST FOR THE THIRD DAY OF THE WRITING OF THE BOOK OF THE LAW


OPEN EVENT


Doors open 7:00 PM
Start Time 7:30


We invite everyone to join with us as we celebrate the reception of the Book of
the Law, The Law of Light, Life, Love and Liberty!


We encourage you to  bring a dish and/or beverage to share with the Brethren &
Friends.


To RSVP for this event and receive directions, please email
tahutilodge(at)tahutilodge.org



Suggested donation: $10



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Sunday, April 15th


Aleister Crowley's Liber XV

THE GNOSTIC MASS


OPEN EVENT

2:00 pm



Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., invites you to join us for a public celebration of


Liber XV: The Gnostic Mass, our central ritual both public and private.


An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and Magick of O.T.O.

Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and Ordo Templi
Orientis

This Event will take place at our dedicated Temple

To RSVP for this event and receive directions, please email
tahutilodge(at)tahutilodge.org


Suggested donation: $10


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Saturday, April 21st


Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., is delighted to present the incomparable

LON MILO DUQUTTE

  for 2 Magickal events.


OPEN TO THE PUBLIC



SATURDAY, APRIL  21st


LUCID DREAMING & ASTRAL TRAVEL

With

Lon Milo DuQuette

Are you dreaming right now?
Do you `wake up' to a greater reality when fall asleep?

Well… Yes and No.

Lucid dreaming and out of body experiences (OBEs) aren't unusual phenomena.

Most everyone has experienced them to one degree or another.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead appears to suggest that these nocturnal and
meditative moments
can be mastered in life as practice sessions leading up to the main event...
surviving the death experience.

Come join us for an engaging adventure with LON!


OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

2:00 – 400 pm

Doors open at 1:30 pm


Admission is $20 in Advance
and $25 at the Door /Day of the event


SEATING IS LIMITED.
Please reserve your seat using Paypal


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NOT TO BE MISSED EVENT!



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THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD IN QUEENS


A few stops from Manhattan on the 7 train.
RSVP for directions and  information,

Or just reserve your seat via Paypal and directions will be e mailed to you



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Sunday, April 22nd


Aleister Crowley's Liber XV

THE GNOSTIC MASS


OPEN EVENT


2:00 pm



Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., invites you to join us for a public celebration of

Liber XV: The Gnostic Mass, our central ritual both public and private.


An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and Magick of O.T.O.


Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and Ordo Templi
Orientis


This Event will take place at our dedicated Temple


To RSVP for this event and receive directions, please email
tahutilodge(at)tahutilodge.org


Suggested donation: $10


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Sunday, April 29th



Tahuti Lodge, O.T.O., is delighted to present the incomparable

LON MILO DUQUTTE

  for 2 Magickal events.



SUNDAY APRIL 29, 2012 e.v.


PRACTICAL MAGICK: The Integrated Magickal life

With

Lon Milo DuQuette

***  MANHATTAN EVENT  ***
3 Hour Presentation ! ! !



Join Lon Duquette for a brand new lecture on Practical Magick: The Integrated
Magickal Life

Goetia, Enochian, Kabbala, when, where and why!

Magick needs to be a practical art form and aid to one's personal spiritual
evolution. Magicians
spend a lot of time and study on the subjects of spirit evocation (Goetia),
angelic communication
(Enochian magick), and Kabbalah (meditation on the theoretical structure of
consciousness) ...
but how on earth do we use these techniques in our everyday lives? The answer is
different for
each individual. Lon Milo DuQuette shares examples of magical workings of his
own life in magick
and hopes that they will at least provide a few guide posts for your own magical
journey.



OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

1:30-4:30 pm


THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD IN MANHATTAN

440 STUDIOS
440 Lafayette St
New York, NY 10003-6919

STUDIO 3C

Between Astor Place and East 4th St.
Directly across from The Public Theater.
Elevator to the 3rd & 4th Floors.


For directions and transit info see here:
http://440studios.com/how-do-i-get-there/


Admission is $25 in Advance
and $30 at the Door /Day of the event


SEATING IS  LIMITED.
Please reserve your seat using Paypal


For more information:  http:// LonDuquette.tahutilodge.org


Send Paypal payment to via the Paypal buttons on our website http://
LonDuquette.tahutilodge.org
You will get a confirmation & directions  for your payment by email.

NOT TO BE MISSED EVENT!



For more information:  http:// LonDuquette.tahutilodge.org



+++


There is a suggested minimum contribution for most events of $10.00
to help cover the cost of renting and maintaining our temple facility.



Love is the law, love under will.

Dear All,

93

I would like to bring you attention to the Art Under Will Exhibition.

The event is organised by Amarantos Oasis O.T.O. and is a presentation of
contemporary visual artworks – the first of its kind in the U.K held in
conjunction with the celebration of the centenary of the British section of the
O.T.O. and the 90th anniversary of the legendary `The Atlantis Bookshop'

Exhibitors, members of O.T.O and their friends are from many walks of life, each
having their own style and preferred media, but all are inspired by the
principles of Thelema.

The exhibition will run from the 31st March to 14th April 2012.
You are cordially invited to the private viewing on Saturday 31st at 7pm.

Opening hours for The Atlantis Bookshop; -

Monday to Saturday 10-30am to 6pm
With the exception of 8th and 9th of April open from Midday to 3pm.

Running concurrently with the exhibition on the 8th 9th 10th April will be the
celebration of a feast of the three days of the writing of the Book of the Law.
Each chapter will be recited at midday starting with chapter I on Sunday,
chapter II on Monday, and concluding with chapter III on Tuesday.

I hope to see some of you there.

Kind Regards
93 93/93
Wlodek

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

This morning I was elated to receive the contents expressed succinctly and with
clarity from the King of the USA OTO (Fr. Sabazius) indicating, through the
vehicle of the Agape organ of the Grand Lodge herein and read out to me by my
guru, that the scripture of the Beast would be taken seriously and as was
intended by he that brought it into the world (Aleister Crowley), emphasizing
the Commentaries and in the shadow of The Comment with attention to framing them
as instructive as compared to expositing delimited and cultic significance based
on personal preferences within the context of the order and its ecclesiastic
catechism.

I see this as a symbolic symptom of immense responsibility and a good sign for
at least the (c)OTO of the USA, insofar as the order is a religious body, that
it takes its Prophet seriously and regards his scripture as a fortifying and
guiding light to its own promulgation of the Law of Thelema. As such, these
subsidiary statements (the brief and the twin reflections) constitute an
imperative supplement on the order of the Talmud, the Hadith, the Old Testament,
the Dhammapada, the Inner Chapters of Chuangtse, or the Elaboration on the
Gospel of Satan, in relation to the original and an apprehension of meaning with
respect to its contents.

I have within the past year been putting an emphasis on constructing a bare
bones disclosing of said supplements online and free to be found for the
aspiring Thelemic, primarily because they have been so slow to emerge as serious
presentations via computer, and their meaning has too often been forgotten by
zealous Thelemic individuals content to issue pestilential dictation on the Real
Meaning of Scripture and what may be derived therefrom in pursuit of the
Thelemic life. I went so far as to write a brief essay on scriptural
interpretation and the importance of these documents for a journal published by
a friend ('The Fenris Wolf', edited by the wonderful Carl Abrahamsson) at the
end of 2011, and look forward to seeing that emerge any time now. This resonant
essay by Fr. Sabazius, with contribution of content or form from the admirable
hands of Hymenaeus Beta, Dathan Biberstein, Kjetil Fjell, Angel Lorenz, Davy
Patton, and Joseph Thiebes, brings joy to my heart and a smile to my face as I
write to you during the New Year and in the approach to Celebrated Days.

Inspired and gratious,

Love is the law, love under will.

nigris (333)
nagasiva@...

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Thelema 333,



Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.



Hail King Nigris! Glory Be She Ba! There IS a God! A god awake! Georammabean
EQ AL working Ompheda so hard she bout Omph'd off'er rocker. Thank you for
the invite um, if that's what it is,  umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other stitch-wo-mansee
wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
ecclesiastic catechism. whatever you said, do a significance hafta be cultic
or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?... Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys so
creek'n long?... Testosterone?



By the vault of my body; by my sacred heart & tongue; by all can give; by
all I desire of ye all; that the joys of my love my will redeem ye from all
pain.



Love is the Law, Love under Will.



ALWays,



isnad din-Peter-SIN AL-bint-Kraatshin



From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of nagasiva yronwode
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:04 AM
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness





Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

This morning I was elated to receive the contents expressed succinctly and
with clarity from the King of the USA OTO (Fr. Sabazius) indicating, through
the vehicle of the Agape organ of the Grand Lodge herein and read out to me
by my guru, that the scripture of the Beast would be taken seriously and as
was intended by he that brought it into the world (Aleister Crowley),
emphasizing the Commentaries and in the shadow of The Comment with attention
to framing them as instructive as compared to expositing delimited and
cultic significance based on personal preferences within the context of the
order and its ecclesiastic catechism.

I see this as a symbolic symptom of immense responsibility and a good sign
for at least the (c)OTO of the USA, insofar as the order is a religious
body, that it takes its Prophet seriously and regards his scripture as a
fortifying and guiding light to its own promulgation of the Law of Thelema.
As such, these subsidiary statements (the brief and the twin reflections)
constitute an imperative supplement on the order of the Talmud, the Hadith,
the Old Testament, the Dhammapada, the Inner Chapters of Chuangtse, or the
Elaboration on the Gospel of Satan, in relation to the original and an
apprehension of meaning with respect to its contents.

I have within the past year been putting an emphasis on constructing a bare
bones disclosing of said supplements online and free to be found for the
aspiring Thelemic, primarily because they have been so slow to emerge as
serious presentations via computer, and their meaning has too often been
forgotten by zealous Thelemic individuals content to issue pestilential
dictation on the Real Meaning of Scripture and what may be derived therefrom
in pursuit of the Thelemic life. I went so far as to write a brief essay on
scriptural interpretation and the importance of these documents for a
journal published by a friend ('The Fenris Wolf', edited by the wonderful
Carl Abrahamsson) at the end of 2011, and look forward to seeing that emerge
any time now. This resonant essay by Fr. Sabazius, with contribution of
content or form from the admirable hands of Hymenaeus Beta, Dathan
Biberstein, Kjetil Fjell, Angel Lorenz, Davy Patton, and Joseph Thiebes,
brings joy to my heart and a smile to my face as I write to you during the
New Year and in the approach to Celebrated Days.

Inspired and gratious,

Love is the law, love under will.

nigris (333)
nagasiva@... <mailto:nagasiva%40yronwode.org>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oya, Soror Sandi!

> ...Thank you for
> the invite um, if that's what it is,

you're very welcome, soror.

>  umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
> emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other stitch-wo-mansee
> wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
> ecclesiastic catechism.

you'd have to have been there, and yet the clarification from the King was
exceedingly
helpful in its restraint upon order authorities not to issue declarations as to
the "proper"
interpretation of scripture, especially without some kind of reference to the
Beast.

> ...do a significance hafta be cultic
> or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?...

where i am concerned? there is no God where i am. do what you please.

> Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
> preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys so
> creek'n long?... Testosterone?

I didn't ask that question. reluctance to issue an illegal move? I think they
were
more interested in stabilizing what fraying edges were flapping about in the
breeze, as it were, with bishops having wandered all over to and fro.

nagasiva yronwode
nagasiva@...

Hail King,



Nice talking again, it's been a while.



< you'd have to have been there



Unfortunately there's no doubt in my mind I was there, trying to figure out
which wife, thinking for some time you fit the part of Mohammed kind'a well.
What do you think of the story?









From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of nagasiva yronwode
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:37 PM
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness

Oya, Soror Sandi!

> ...Thank you for
> the invite um, if that's what it is,

you're very welcome, soror.

> umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
> emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other
stitch-wo-mansee
> wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
> ecclesiastic catechism.

you'd have to have been there, and yet the clarification from the King was
exceedingly
helpful in its restraint upon order authorities not to issue declarations as
to the "proper"
interpretation of scripture, especially without some kind of reference to
the Beast.

> ...do a significance hafta be cultic
> or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?...

where i am concerned? there is no God where i am. do what you please.

> Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
> preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys so
> creek'n long?... Testosterone?

I didn't ask that question. reluctance to issue an illegal move? I think
they were
more interested in stabilizing what fraying edges were flapping about in the
breeze, as it were, with bishops having wandered all over to and fro.

nagasiva yronwode
nagasiva@... <mailto:nagasiva%40yronwode.org>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm not exactly sure what this is all about, but I don't trust any guy that
names himself after the "Hymen" ;) ,
Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?

John M.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Sandi Peterson <seagal@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hail King,
>
> Nice talking again, it's been a while.
>
> < you'd have to have been there
>
> Unfortunately there's no doubt in my mind I was there, trying to figure out
> which wife, thinking for some time you fit the part of Mohammed kind'a
> well.
> What do you think of the story?
>
> From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of nagasiva yronwode
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness
>
>
> Oya, Soror Sandi!
>
> > ...Thank you for
> > the invite um, if that's what it is,
>
> you're very welcome, soror.
>
> > umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
> > emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other
> stitch-wo-mansee
> > wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
> > ecclesiastic catechism.
>
> you'd have to have been there, and yet the clarification from the King was
> exceedingly
> helpful in its restraint upon order authorities not to issue declarations
> as
> to the "proper"
> interpretation of scripture, especially without some kind of reference to
> the Beast.
>
> > ...do a significance hafta be cultic
> > or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?...
>
> where i am concerned? there is no God where i am. do what you please.
>
> > Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
> > preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys so
> > creek'n long?... Testosterone?
>
> I didn't ask that question. reluctance to issue an illegal move? I think
> they were
> more interested in stabilizing what fraying edges were flapping about in
> the
> breeze, as it were, with bishops having wandered all over to and fro.
>
> nagasiva yronwode
> nagasiva@... <mailto:nagasiva%40yronwode.org>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thelema John,



Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.



> Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?



I don't know, haven't finished deciphering all of Chapter III yet.  I'm not
familiar with Motta. What is Motta's contribution to the commentaries?



Love is the Law, Love under Will,



ALWays,



the despised harlot













From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Madziarczyk
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:00 PM
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness





I'm not exactly sure what this is all about, but I don't trust any guy that
names himself after the "Hymen" ;) ,
Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?

John M.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Sandi Peterson <seagal@...
<mailto:seagal%40wavecable.com> > wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hail King,
>
> Nice talking again, it's been a while.
>
> < you'd have to have been there
>
> Unfortunately there's no doubt in my mind I was there, trying to figure
out
> which wife, thinking for some time you fit the part of Mohammed kind'a
> well.
> What do you think of the story?
>
> From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of nagasiva yronwode
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness
>
>
> Oya, Soror Sandi!
>
> > ...Thank you for
> > the invite um, if that's what it is,
>
> you're very welcome, soror.
>
> > umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
> > emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other
> stitch-wo-mansee
> > wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
> > ecclesiastic catechism.
>
> you'd have to have been there, and yet the clarification from the King was
> exceedingly
> helpful in its restraint upon order authorities not to issue declarations
> as
> to the "proper"
> interpretation of scripture, especially without some kind of reference to
> the Beast.
>
> > ...do a significance hafta be cultic
> > or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?...
>
> where i am concerned? there is no God where i am. do what you please.
>
> > Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
> > preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys
so
> > creek'n long?... Testosterone?
>
> I didn't ask that question. reluctance to issue an illegal move? I think
> they were
> more interested in stabilizing what fraying edges were flapping about in
> the
> breeze, as it were, with bishops having wandered all over to and fro.
>
> nagasiva yronwode
> nagasiva@... <mailto:nagasiva%40yronwode.org>
<mailto:nagasiva%40yronwode.org>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

93!

You can find his commentaries on AL (and other books) here:

http://hermetic.com/pestilence/
http://www.castletower.org/065comm.html
http://www.castletower.org/mwt.html

Enjoy it! (or not)

93,93/93

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 20:49, Sandi Peterson <seagal@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thelema John,
>
>
> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
>
> > Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?
>
> I don't know, haven't finished deciphering all of Chapter III yet. I'm not
> familiar with Motta. What is Motta's contribution to the commentaries?
>
> Love is the Law, Love under Will,
>
> ALWays,
>
> the despised harlot
>
>
> From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of John Madziarczyk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:00 PM
>
> To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness
>
> I'm not exactly sure what this is all about, but I don't trust any guy that
> names himself after the "Hymen" ;) ,
> Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?
>
> John M.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Sandi Peterson <seagal@...
> <mailto:seagal%40wavecable.com> > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hail King,
> >
> > Nice talking again, it's been a while.
> >
> > < you'd have to have been there
> >
> > Unfortunately there's no doubt in my mind I was there, trying to figure
> out
> > which wife, thinking for some time you fit the part of Mohammed kind'a
> > well.
> > What do you think of the story?
> >
> > From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> ]
>
> On
> > Behalf Of nagasiva yronwode
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:37 PM
> > To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness
> >
> >
> > Oya, Soror Sandi!
> >
> > > ...Thank you for
> > > the invite um, if that's what it is,
> >
> > you're very welcome, soror.
> >
> > > umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
> > > emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other
> > stitch-wo-mansee
> > > wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
> > > ecclesiastic catechism.
> >
> > you'd have to have been there, and yet the clarification from the King
> was
> > exceedingly
> > helpful in its restraint upon order authorities not to issue declarations
> > as
> > to the "proper"
> > interpretation of scripture, especially without some kind of reference to
> > the Beast.
> >
> > > ...do a significance hafta be cultic
> > > or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?...
> >
> > where i am concerned? there is no God where i am. do what you please.
> >
> > > Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
> > > preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys
> so
> > > creek'n long?... Testosterone?
> >
> > I didn't ask that question. reluctance to issue an illegal move? I think
> > they were
> > more interested in stabilizing what fraying edges were flapping about in
> > the
> > breeze, as it were, with bishops having wandered all over to and fro.
> >
> > nagasiva yronwode
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Thelema Alan!



Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.



> You can find his commentaries on AL (and other books) here:



Well of course I read The Comment, please excuse my udder ignorance. I’m not
much up on Order lignums, personages, names, “Motta’s” & all. I read The
Comment and totally disregarded it as silly; knowing if I burned the Book after
reading it once I wouldn’t know much of anything about it, thinking that’d
not only be silly it’d be totally stupid, especially if I was going to
“embrace” Thelema as my “Religion”, which I do.



I LOVED Liber AL the first time I heard the Words they spoke to an inner Knowing
in me.  Why would I not want to learn all I could about it?  Especially if it
was true, as they said; it was a “Holy Text”, actually authored by “a
God”, it seemed not only Logickal but imperative, considering the “times”,
it could even be urgent to understand what the Book was saying, what was so
“hidden”, “the secret” as accurately as huwomanly possible.



> Enjoy it! (or not)



Thank you!  I do Enjoy it very much, “centre of pestilence” that I am
verifies The Comment as a Fact; ever present & ongoing Proof to me of the
validity of the Book, although not necessarily enjoyable otherwise.



The light is mine; its rays consume Me!



Happy Feast Days!



Love is the Law, Love under Will.



The despised



From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Willms
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 6:26 PM
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness





93!

You can find his commentaries on AL (and other books) here:

http://hermetic.com/pestilence/
http://www.castletower.org/065comm.html
http://www.castletower.org/mwt.html

Enjoy it! (or not)

93,93/93

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 20:49, Sandi Peterson <seagal@...
<mailto:seagal%40wavecable.com> > wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thelema John,
>
>
> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
>
> > Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?
>
> I don't know, haven't finished deciphering all of Chapter III yet. I'm not
> familiar with Motta. What is Motta's contribution to the commentaries?
>
> Love is the Law, Love under Will,
>
> ALWays,
>
> the despised harlot
>
>
> From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of John Madziarczyk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:00 PM
>
> To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness
>
> I'm not exactly sure what this is all about, but I don't trust any guy that
> names himself after the "Hymen" ;) ,
> Will this project include Motta's contribution to the commentaries?
>
> John M.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Sandi Peterson <seagal@...
<mailto:seagal%40wavecable.com>
> <mailto:seagal%40wavecable.com> > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hail King,
> >
> > Nice talking again, it's been a while.
> >
> > < you'd have to have been there
> >
> > Unfortunately there's no doubt in my mind I was there, trying to figure
> out
> > which wife, thinking for some time you fit the part of Mohammed kind'a
> > well.
> > What do you think of the story?
> >
> > From: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> ]
>
> On
> > Behalf Of nagasiva yronwode
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:37 PM
> > To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com <mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:thelema93-l%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [t93] Beastly Scripture Seriousness
> >
> >
> > Oya, Soror Sandi!
> >
> > > ...Thank you for
> > > the invite um, if that's what it is,
> >
> > you're very welcome, soror.
> >
> > > umma MORE than He He Yo YoYo's
> > > emphasizing the Commentaries do not know ankhan off a other
> > stitch-wo-mansee
> > > wordi 4 shore like to hear a hand tongue numbers besides o mine so yawl
> > > ecclesiastic catechism.
> >
> > you'd have to have been there, and yet the clarification from the King
> was
> > exceedingly
> > helpful in its restraint upon order authorities not to issue declarations
> > as
> > to the "proper"
> > interpretation of scripture, especially without some kind of reference to
> > the Beast.
> >
> > > ...do a significance hafta be cultic
> > > or is succinctly expressed clitic okay?...
> >
> > where i am concerned? there is no God where i am. do what you please.
> >
> > > Seriousnesses meo'ma personal
> > > preferences answers my Prayers! Dare I say or ask?. What took you guys
> so
> > > creek'n long?... Testosterone?
> >
> > I didn't ask that question. reluctance to issue an illegal move? I think
> > they were
> > more interested in stabilizing what fraying edges were flapping about in
> > the
> > breeze, as it were, with bishops having wandered all over to and fro.
> >
> > nagasiva yronwode
> > nagasiva@... <mailto:nagasiva%40yronwode.org> 
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The Wizard of Oz
Robert Wilson
Hakim Bey
Joel Birocco
don Juan / Carlos Casteneda
Homers' Epic Cycle
Modern Roman/Trojan/cEvil/domesticated Traditions Still Being Applied by the
Golden Dawn
Golden Dawn vs A.'.A.'.
and anything you can give me concerning Crowley's lineage which isn't homespun
and contrived or otherwise self-serving (as some aa cults are given to and one
does notice the lack of capitols)

...

State your affilaitions when responding. ...

-Fraternally Yours?
666

On 25 April 2012 10:06, djr.jr25 <djr.jr25@...> wrote:
>
> The Wizard of Oz

oddly unconnected with Australia

> Robert Wilson

very 70s

> Hakim Bey

pass

> Joel Birocco

didn't dig why he knocked Thelema, see his point now.

> don Juan / Carlos Casteneda

very 60s

> Homers' Epic Cycle

beats all the above and much else (come back Giordano Bruno and sort it out!)

> Modern Roman/Trojan/cEvil/domesticated Traditions Still Being Applied by
> the Golden Dawn

wtf esp on cEvil (gimme the GMP anyway - and see previous note)

> Golden Dawn vs A.'.A.'.

yawnage - both are valid enough though Libers E & O are more direct.

> and anything you can give me concerning Crowley's lineage which isn't
> homespun and contrived or otherwise self-serving (as some aa cults are given
> to and one does notice the lack of capitols)

Naively thought folks would grow out of Charter & Copyright BS decades
ago. Easier than being a genuine vanguard of modern magic I guess. (PS
sold most of my AC titles to make room for academic studies of Greek &
Roman magic)

> State your affilaitions when responding. ...

my girlfriend mostly - still rate EQ (and its lack of charters,
copyrights and court cases)

> -Fraternally Yours?

irregular masonry - pfft, what a freaking charade.

or in a better mood:

real magicians do it in circles not on the square. :D

AL-Ways

Jake

http://www.underworld-apothecary.com/

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Hi:

>Seeking comments on: anything you can give me concerning Crowley's lineage
>which isn't homespun and contrived or otherwise self-serving (as some aa
>cults are >given to and one does notice the lack of capitols)

It's ALL homespun; contrived and self-serving, going back to the Golden
Dawn's founding on contrived (forged) documents supposedly found in a book
stall. The A.'.A.'. was contrived by Aleister Crowley and George Cecil Jones
circa 1906-1907.
   As for Castaneda and the rest, it is said that he contrived "Don Juan
Matus," as well. I don't know nor do I particularly care if that's "true" or
not. Robert Anton Wilson: fun writer with a broad range of interests. His
most useful/inspiring work tends to be couched as fiction.
  I'd add that I've learned that rather than worrying about an "authentic
source," one should test the efficacy of the proposed methodologies and find
out what works for one and what doesn't. If something works, it doesn't
matter where it came from or who created it. If something doesn't work, it
doesn't matter where it came from or who created it.

"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are sometimes more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats." Illusions by Richard Bach

>State your affilaitions when responding.

ASCAP member, occasional writer for Birmingham Free Press and Ashe.

Bliss:
Alamantra
http://alamantra.org

> The Wizard of Oz
> Robert Wilson
> Hakim Bey
> Homers' Epic Cycle
> don Juan / Carlos Casteneda

All valuable sources of inspiration as works of imaginative fiction often are.


> Golden Dawn vs A.'.A.'.

The latter is a continuation of the former, re-tooled in congruence with the
revelations of Thelema. This tradition, like esoteric movements in all ages and
cultures, attempts to forge conscious links between incarnate humanity and a
postulated body of initiates who have outgrown the need for manifested
time/space incarnations. The forging is accomplished through techniques that
awaken the full spectrum of consciousness in the initiate.



> and anything you can give me concerning Crowley's lineage

The real "lineage" of importance is the transpersonal community of initiates who
have developed powers of expanded consciousness. Crowley claimed to have
knowledge of and conversation with this community. The truth of this claim, as
with all such, must be ascertained by obtaining one's own knowledge and
conversation.



> State your affilaitions when responding.

Church of Gnostic Luminism