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#19607 From: "xenu93" <xenu93@...>
Date: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: Re: Tarot Comparisons
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93 333,

Thank you for a lively debate on the subject of the "correct" interpretation of
the Star/Emperor question. I think that ultimately this question falls under
"The Comment" to the Book of the Law and that each should make his own decision
as to the correctness of the interpretation, only after consulting the writings
of the Prophet for themselves.

It's been a pleasure to be able to present my opinion and arguments on the
matter and I feel I have learned much from the debates that ensued from these
discussions. This alone has been worth the efforts of all those making their
arguments and opinions on on the issue.

I can only hope that there will be further discussions of this caliber in the
future, as I have truly enjoyed following this one.

Agape,
Joel

#19608 From: "grimmwotan" <grimmwotan@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:30 pm
Subject: THE TRUTH ABOUT INITIATION - OTO MUNDI
grimmwotan
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Háils!!!
.
The Truth About Initiation - OTO Mundi
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJoBDGEhWCs&feature=channel
.
Complete explanations about secrets and truths, things they are hidden of the
public in general, the about of all of the Iniciatic systems linked to the
dogmatism, monotheism and solar phallus systems in general, flaws, traps, lies
and development forms that are going besides these vile limits appearing!
.
Grimmwotan!

#19609 From: "Alamantra" <alamantra@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [t93] THE TRUTH ABOUT INITIATION - OTO MUNDI
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grimmwotan wrote:
.
>The Truth About Initiation - OTO Mundi
.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJoBDGEhWCs&feature=channel
.
>Complete explanations about secrets and truths, things they are hidden of the
public in general, the about of all of the Iniciatic systems linked to the
dogmatism, >monotheism and solar phallus systems in general, flaws, traps, lies
and development forms that are going besides these vile limits appearing!
.


That's not the truth and it's not complete. This is, though:

http://alamantra.wordpress.com/errata/rhetoric/

Moving along, we come to the point in which the misguided advises the
well-meaning.

This charlatan is later expanded upon when the complex ego, and the
real star of the show, is the most exciting part of the puzzle.

On the surface, there are a few clues that identify the hologram.

Another possible derivation is from the translation of a universal
inspiration and an allegorical portrait of an androgynous example.

After popping up in numerous places
.there's always still one level
deeper


Bliss:
Alamantra
www.myspace.com/alamantra
www.alamantra.wordpress.com



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#19610 From: "threefold31" <threefold31@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:01 am
Subject: Re: Tarot Comparisons
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--- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, "nagasiva yronwode" <nagasiva@...> wrote:
>
> dayp
>
> "threefold31" <threefold31@> (R Leo Gillis):

>
> > This was illegitimate, because if you're
> > grafting something onto the Tarot order,
> > then you have to switch what you're grafting,
> > not vice-versa. But this was their only
> > mistake, and the adept could easily switch
> > them back to layout the cards in TdM order
> > instead.
>
> this is nonsense. there never was any 'legitimacy'
> to the gaming decks, including the TdM. occultists
> pretended that they were esoteric and full of
> wisdom, but in fact they weren't, and the reason
> the GD Switch was conceived was because of the
> obvious matching symbolism between game cardd
> and zodiac after occult associations were matched.
>

>
> > The Tarot de Marseille order is the correct
> > one, and really shouldn't be messed with.
>
> nonsense. the Fool then would have no number.
> the Hanged Man would then be IIX (nonsense).
> next you'll be telling us that the reason for
> the GD Switch ws because you were named Leo.
>
> > If you want to graft Hebrew onto it, fine,
> > but you make it all a mess when you change
> > the order of the cards themselves,
>
> this is wrong. the cards are a game and
> absolutely arbitrary. the game was being
> turned INTO an esoteric tool, and the
> imperative sequences are the ones relating
> to the real world (zodiac) and the social
> world (Hebrew).
>
> > which are a specific sequence with
> > specific reasons behind it, as occult
> > as those reasons might be. ...
>
> this is a lie, an error, a falsity. before
> de Gebelin there was never even the concept
> of such an esotericism associated with the
> Tarot (the 22 resonance drawing attention).
> one might as well explain that the reason
> there are 22 non-utility/non-railroad
> properties in Monopoly is because it has
> some kind of important occult reason
> behind it that should not be futzed with.
> this is nonsense and completely unsupported,
> as is the balance of your expression.
>
> 333
>
>


Dwtw

Nagasiva, as usual, has plenty to say about this (or any) subject. And while I
respect his erudition, it is disheartening to see my statements misunderstood to
the point where they are regurgitated in a corrupt form, and then criticized
because they do not conform to his conclusions about the Tarot.

So to be clear, I am NOT of the camp that believes the Tarot had any esoteric
origin. All the later grafting of Hebrew letters and their associated symbol
sets of zodiac, planets, etc. was simply an attempt by various occultists, from
the Comte de Mellet, to Eliphas Levi and the Golden Dawn, et. al. to expand the
usefulness and meaning of the Tarot to include their variety of symbols.

By the time we get to Crowley's attempts to 'rectify' the Tarot, we are dealing
with the sequences found in the Cipher ms., and AC's understanding of it,
followed by the admonition in Liber AL that 'Tzaddi is not the Star', etc. All
switches, double loops, etc. found in Crowley's work has to be ultimately
referenced back to his predecessors, all of whom had their own arrangements. But
none of these was the 'original' Tarot, which was merely a trick-taking game,
with no overt 'hermetic' correspondences.

Perhaps some of my statements contain factual errors, which I'm grateful to have
emended by superior scholarship, but this is different from putting words in my
mouth and misreading what was said due to prior prejudice. And I am probably
also guilty of misreading nagasiva's statements, but this is due as much to his
convoluted and precious prose as it is to my own errors of comprehension.

Now as far as all the various hints or blinds or just plain mistakes that AC
left us in his various tables of correspondences, I tend to go with what was
actually written on the cards as they were printed, which does not seem to be
contradicted by the text of the Book of Thoth. AFAIK, the Emperor has a Tzaddi
and an Aries symbol on it, and the imagery contains rams. Likewise the Star has
a Heh and an Aquarius symbol on it, and the imagery contains two bowls of liquid
being poured out. The cards are described in these terms in the text of TBOT. So
I'll go with what is on the cards, not what discrepancies may be found in
various tables.

As for the 'illegitimacy' of swapping the Tarot sequence of VIII and XI, I am
not claiming that the TdM order is 'legitimate' and later orders are not. An
unfortunate choice of words. My point is simply that if one is trying to match
up to an order, and then you change what you're matching to because you don't
like it, that seems illegitimate, i.e., it seems like cheating. If you're the GD
or Kenneth Mackenzie or whoever, and claiming the Tarot is an occult symbol set
that has an importance hidden in its very sequence, then it seems like cheating
to switch the order to conform to what you're grafting onto it. But then, the
whole grafting of Hebrew, etc. onto Tarot is in a sense illegitimate, since
there is no evidence that Hebrew and kabbalah has anything to do with the
original Tarot. It's all an intellectual game in the end, and I was merely
pointing out how the rules get bent so that things turn out in a certain way.

On another note, now I'm not so sure of exactly what nagasiva's position is on
this Heh-Tzaddi switch. I read all his convoluted responses on Tarot-L, and
here, and I thought I knew, but I must confess that I'm no longer so sure.

And in case anyone is unsure of what my position is, I'll just say that there
are four different solutions to 'Tzaddi is not the star', based on the four
ordeals one must go through to understand Liber AL.
Even Liber 231 is only true up to the grade of Exempt Adept.

And as for my moniker, my parents named me Leo. It's on the birth certificate.
It is not an affectation like so many of the names encountered on this group.
And I'm certain it has nothing to do with the Cipher ms. switch of the Tarot
card sequence, or Crowley's switching of the cards back to where they were
before. It has everything to do with a bad-ass paratrooper who killed a lot of
Germans in Normandy, and survived the 'hole-in the doughnut' in Belgium, better
known as the Battle of Bastogne.

Love is the law
Leo

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#19612 From: David Shoemaker <dgsaa1@...>
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:34 pm
Subject: 418 Lodge 30th Anniversary Celebration
dshoemaker93
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Dear friends,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

In October 1979, our founding Lodgemaster, Phyllis Seckler (Soror
Meral) was granted a Charter for 418 Lodge.  This makes 418 Lodge one
of the oldest continuously operating Thelemic groups of any kind,
anywhere in the world, and we are throwing a special celebration to
mark our 30th Anniversary!

The Celebration will take place on Saturday, October 24, beginning at
6pm, at the Soror Meral Building in Sacramento, and is open to the
public.

The schedule for the evening includes a lecture by our current
Lodgemaster on the contributions of Soror Meral to the O.T.O. and
Thelema, accompanied by a display of her artwork, and select artifacts
of historical importance from her archives.

The lecture will be followed by a performance of the beautiful Babalon
Invocation, which received rave reviews at the national Symposium in
Sacramento this past November.

A reception and open house will follow, with wine and beer available
at the cash bar.  Please feel free to forward this announcement to
interested friends.  If you have not attended an event at the Soror
Meral Building previously, please email 418secretary at animasolis dot
com for details.  We hope you will join us!

NOTE:  We will celebrate the Gnostic Mass the following day, Sunday,
October 25, at 7:30 pm, according to our usual schedule.

Love is the law, love under will.

David Shoemaker
Master, 418 Lodge, O.T.O.

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#19613 From: "mg_323" <mg323@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
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I find it difficult to embrace a book that if followed to the letter would
result in a good chance of one getting thrown in jail.

The COMMENT reads "it is wise to destroy this copy after the first reading" Was
this so Crowley could sell more books?

Same as this world manifestation, the book is composed of light and dark forces
that beg for refinement.

I have since stabbed my copy 3 times in order to kill it's curse.

#19614 From: "alexei_ferenczy" <alexei_ferenczy@...>
Date: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
alexei_ferenczy
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93 bro.

In the case of the Comment, yes, it's difficult to me to understand the part of
destroy the copy after you have read it, I'm sure it wasn't meant to sell more
books, I find that somewhat childish, but I haven't found the deeper meaning
yet, perhaps someone wiser than me will answer that part.

Secondly, the Book was not meant to be followed blindly and most important,
literally, it's symbols and concepts are meant to have an inner meaning, that's
it, they're archetypes if you excuse me the word, meant to be understood by the
Self, the real Self in the new Aeon; so with few exceptions, the Book is written
symbolically and metaphorically, the metaphors are to be applied to the soul and
it's inner Life.

Thirdly, yes, there's both Light and Darkness in the Book, that can't be denied
and the book by it's very nature it's difficult to accept since it attacks the
core of christian belief, that it's, it attacks the core of western society's
morals because even as many fance themselves as atheits they're driving
themselves by christian morality. I agree with the part that its energies need
refinement since it's evolving continually.

Lastly, I haven't experienced nothing wrong with the Book, neither a curse and
I've studied it for years, it simply becomes more and more fascinating as time
passes and I find new clues and understandings within it

#19615 From: "Solemnus" <solyg@...>
Date: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [t93] There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
Solemnus
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93 --

  > From: "mg_323" <mg323@...>
  >
  > I find it difficult to embrace a
  > book that if followed to the
  > letter would result in a good
  > chance of one getting thrown in
  > jail.
  >      [...]
  >  I have since stabbed my copy 3
  > times in order to kill it's curse.

LOL.  Best thing I've read in 33 days.  Thank you.

- CXLVII

#19616 From: Ian Sturrock <sturrock@...>
Date: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
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I found it fairly easy to embrace, as the only rational way to do so meant
that I could not follow it to the letter, which helped avoid the far direr
curse of dogma.

--
Ian Sturrock


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#19617 From: Frater Uranus <frater.uranus@...>
Date: Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:04 am
Subject: Re: There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
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93!

> The COMMENT reads "it is wise to destroy this copy after the first reading"
> Was this so Crowley could sell more books?

I highly doubt it. The Comment was a result of actions taken by Norman
Mudd, a subject of much consternation to Crowley. The part reads to me
as if he were writing to those of Christian virtue because yes, to
them, it is a blasphemous tome that should be destroyed.

> Same as this world manifestation, the book is composed of light and dark
> forces that beg for refinement.

See the other Holy Books & Liber 418. A true religion is not happy go
lucky, hug the trees, pet the bunnies and love one another kind of
thing. Not Buddhism, not Hinduism, not the Judaic traditions etc.
There are dark elements of each that we often hear little of as they
are white washed by followers trying to sanitize the negative elements
in order to appeal to a broader base.
>
> I have since stabbed my copy 3 times in order to kill it's curse.

LOL. Wise move. The formulae of Thelema is one of turning the world
upside down and restructuring it. One's life can go to hell in a hand
basket if one properly applies its formulae to their lives because it
is about finding the truth of one's core and the rest of the universe
is working against that and will fight you and assault you in various
ways to keep you from making these changes to yourself and at times it
will seem like a curse but when you make it through you will see the
curse as a true blessing. You will lose friends, family & other loved
ones on the path because they are going to become incompatible with
you. It may not even be something perceptible, it could be a subtle
shift in your auric energies that agitates their old aeon ways. If you
do not feel this is for you, then yes, treat Liber Al as a curse,
treat it as a Centre of Pestilence and those who discuss it as a
Centre of Pestilence. Otherwise, join us in this bliss and discover
what true freedom can be!!!

Frater Uranus

#19618 From: Sekhem-f-n Anpu <skhmfnanpu@...>
Date: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:38 am
Subject: Re: There's a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
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"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

Greetings Ian,

I'll buy that.  Given Crowley's distaste for the bible-thumping masses (his
father included!), could it be that this was his simple yet obscure way of
saying that destroying the Book means one should live by the principles spelt
out in the Book of the Law rather than becoming another streetcorner preacher? 
It is plausible to me that this might be a way to 'destroy' the Book.  Just to
clarify a bit, I'm not using 'bible' solely as a reference to the Christian
Bible, but as a book (sic) which serves to represent the fundamental
religio-philosophical doctrine of any belief system.  Yet, it is part of duty
as Thelemites to promulgate the Law.  Promulgate doesn't necessarily mean
preach; ita can also mean 'to make known'.  From my personal experiences, I
have found that just by living (in my own way) by the principle of the Law, I
attract far more interest in Thelema than does the aggressive efforts I've seen
others use to "spread the gospel".  It
  seems to me that Crowley may have cryptically been saying that one should
practice what one preaches (What Crowley cryptic? No, never!! lolol).  To me,
destroying the Book of the Law and promulgating the Book of the Law
sounds pretty smilar to the concepts of panphage and pangenetor in the missal
of the EGC mass.  Just my 2 cents worth.  That's okay because 2=93 (AL
I:4).  

Ross (Frater Sekhem-f n Anpu)

"Love is the law, love under will."



________________________________
From: Ian Sturrock <sturrock@...>
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [t93] Re: There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
 
I found it fairly easy to embrace, as the only rational way to do so meant that
I could not follow it to the letter, which helped avoid the far direr curse of
dogma.

--
Ian Sturrock




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#19619 From: George Pitts <george.pitts@...>
Date: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: There's a malignancy about the Book of the Law.
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Hello, I have something in common with Crowley, not just because I´m often
compared to him.

I´m a privileged Czech citizen happily imparadised in the tropics of Nicaragua,
Central America. My real name is Libor Soural, see
http://thesixthgospel.blogspot.com/, born to a die-hard Roman Catholic mom, she
donates to the Church, my dad is a former communist leader, a
former maximum-security prison director, a capitalist
government-employed lawyer, a die-hard atheist. I studied in three
countries, the Czech Republic, the US, and Spain,
earning my Bachelor´s degree in English and Spanish Philology, majoring
in philosophy, history, literature, and psychology. In the US I was
heavily sponsored by the Merrill Lynch,
Mr Charles E. Merrill, my good old friend, yeah, the billionaire, loved
my early crypto-communist dark writing style. I went to Hollywood as a
screenwriter loaded with over 20 blockbusters that never came out.

I
made some cash, though I never really made it as a screenwriter or
filmmaker there, so I changed my lifestyle 110 % in a third-world
country as an English university professor, a freelance real estate
agent, and a cigar exporter. Six years ago, by pure design, chance, or
mistake, I quit my formal academic job and I´ve become an internet
marketing guru from scratch, selling my monumental 35 volume E book
business Sixth Gospel - Serious Entertainment franchise worldwide at an
unprecedented level - a fair consolation prize for my 16 year dark
writing career span. My transcendental showbiz is always very personal,
one on one direct sale, no automated system or employees, no credit
cards or Paypal, I´m very anti-hightech, just legitimate cash wired through
Western Union and Moneygram to my headquarters in Managua, Nicaragua.

I´ve been raking the Internet for years, Skype, Yahoo groups, Facebook,
Myspace, Youtube,
etc, and modestly put, I do kick some serious ass, I make people
curious, intrigued, freaked out. My business I sell to anybody anywhere
is just about fun and cash, seriously. I challenge everybody
everywhere. Anybody English spoken is a $ 200 potential to me. I deal
in numbers. I get readers/resellers in quite a few countries. People
get motivated by the amount of money and fun I get. I honestly show
them my working path, delivering them the complete package, letting
them join me freelance, giving them the chance of becoming a better
marketer or businessman than I am, and they know I´m pretty good.

How
would I define my religion ? One of my books is entitled NUISANCE
RELIGION, but my Sixth Gospel is a spectrum of everything imagined or
real. My gripping, appropriately creepy, Slaughter Catalogue 1993 -
2009, is some ample evidence of my transcendental unique authorship,
judge for yourself, though the free prefaces on my website I try to
keep clean to stay neutral for any new reader/reseller are just
foretastes for all kinds of breathtaking hardcore topics I´ve covered
all along as the dubbed Czech Hollywood Warrior Priest in my Serious
Entertainment. Theatrically, sometimes they call me Czechwizard.

Why the Sixth Gospel ? Well, I know the Four, heard speculating about the Fifth,
and that´s where I come in with my Sixth.

I hope I´ve been useful. The tip of the iceberg is at
http://thesixthgospel.blogspot.com/. The huge rest is yet to be purchased.



________________________________
From: Frater Uranus <frater.uranus@...>
To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:04:28 AM
Subject: [t93] Re: There’s a malignancy about the Book of the Law.


93!

> The COMMENT reads "it is wise to destroy this copy after the first reading"
> Was this so Crowley could sell more books?

I highly doubt it. The Comment was a result of actions taken by Norman
Mudd, a subject of much consternation to Crowley. The part reads to me
as if he were writing to those of Christian virtue because yes, to
them, it is a blasphemous tome that should be destroyed.

> Same as this world manifestation, the book is composed of light and dark
> forces that beg for refinement.

See the other Holy Books & Liber 418. A true religion is not happy go
lucky, hug the trees, pet the bunnies and love one another kind of
thing. Not Buddhism, not Hinduism, not the Judaic traditions etc.
There are dark elements of each that we often hear little of as they
are white washed by followers trying to sanitize the negative elements
in order to appeal to a broader base.
>
> I have since stabbed my copy 3 times in order to kill it's curse.

LOL. Wise move. The formulae of Thelema is one of turning the world
upside down and restructuring it. One's life can go to hell in a hand
basket if one properly applies its formulae to their lives because it
is about finding the truth of one's core and the rest of the universe
is working against that and will fight you and assault you in various
ways to keep you from making these changes to yourself and at times it
will seem like a curse but when you make it through you will see the
curse as a true blessing. You will lose friends, family & other loved
ones on the path because they are going to become incompatible with
you. It may not even be something perceptible, it could be a subtle
shift in your auric energies that agitates their old aeon ways. If you
do not feel this is for you, then yes, treat Liber Al as a curse,
treat it as a Centre of Pestilence and those who discuss it as a
Centre of Pestilence. Otherwise, join us in this bliss and discover
what true freedom can be!!!

Frater Uranus






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#19621 From: "draqquolo" <marc.aurelio.pozzi@...>
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:37 pm
Subject: Upcoming magickal workshop of David Beth (OTOA/LCN, Fr. Borealis) in Italy
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The Path of the Shadow Power Shaman:
Sorcery and the creation of a Spirit Familiar

- A 2 day experiential seminar in Italy with David Beth from December 4th-6th -

For millennia sorcerers and shamans of different traditions have been working
with the so-called Familiar spirit, an entity which is uniquely bonded and
attached to an individual sorcerer. The spirit Familiar becomes probably his
most intimate metaphysical aide and assists the practitioner in a great variety
of magical and spiritual operations. Dream Control, accessing spirit worlds,
sexual magic, esoteric creativity such as automatic writing and drawing as well
as initiation are all among the areas in which the Familiar may exercise his
unique powers.

Based on initiatic knowledge and transmissions of various traditions such as
Voudon Gnosis and Kosmic/northern Gnosis, David Beth will lead us in the
individual reception and creation of a personal Familiar through techniques of
sorcery and spiritism. Methods of feeding and empowering the entity will be
taught as well. Due to the intense and individual character of this work we have
strictly limited the number of attendees to 8, possibly 10 people and require
participants to be of mental stability. This workshop will have a lasting
powerful magical and transformative impact on everyone.


The Teacher:

David Beth is an internationally renown authority on Voudon Gnosis; a close
associate of Michael Bertiaux he serves as Sovereign Grand Master of Ordo Templi
Orientis Antiqua and La Couleuvre Noire.  He is also a dedicated non-dualist
Gnostic Bishop of the Ecclesia Gnostica Aeterna and Grand Commander of the
Fraternitas Borealis, two organizations working in their unique ways with the so
called Kosmic Gnosis. His latest book ´Voudon Gnosis´ was released to rave
reviews by talismanic publishers Scarlet Imprint.

Details/further information:

The workshop will take place near Modena, in an hillside region of northern
Italy. A secluded but welcoming lodge in the woods will be at our disposal for
the complete seminar, with traditional meals prepared by the owner family.
Details to reach the place will be given to the participants. Bologna
international airport and Modena rail station are both within an easy 1 hour
reach of the destination.

Participation fee is 280€, including 2 nights of accommodation and all meals. We
require an advance payment of 100€ as a confirmation, due by November 15th. We
expect the limited slots to fill very quickly, so booking as soon as possible is
recommended.

For more information and reservation, please contact Marc'Aurelio Pozzi, email:
marc.aurelio.pozzi@..., facebook:
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#19622 From: "rwr" <dick.richardson@...>
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:47 am
Subject: Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy
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Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy



Magic. Never seen any magic other than on the stage and bunnies flying
out of hats. Fun, but not very interesting. Religion. Well, they have
made a fine mess of the world have they not; nothing like religion to
alienate people from people is there and brainwash the masses into
submission. Philosophy, well, that sure is a lot of talking – about
what exactly. Mysticism: or rather Mystical Experience. Now there is a
thing to be sure. Know quite a bit about that from the inside for many
years. But it is hardly prudent or effective to write about it or
mention it; for the world does not like or want mystics, for they rock
the boat of conventions. I guess, all this is why most folks talk about
the weather and what was on TV last night. For no matter what you say,
about anything, there they wait like old hags at a hanging waiting to
gobble you up.



Ahh, tis a strange world begoraha and no wonder mystics can so easily
become hermits and say nothing. Pity, but there you go.





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#19623 From: George Pitts <george.pitts@...>
Date: Fri Oct 2, 2009 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: [t93] Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy
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I agree with you, Dick, 110 %. They say I´m a mystic, I rock the cradle of
filth. Nuisance Religion, taken from my monumental 35 volume Sixth Gospel, is my
trademark. My stunning internet marketing impact along with its results looks
like magic. Well, I´m a showman of Serious Entertainment, "RESTRICTED" is just
a label that has accelerated my sales worldwide, you know, the market. I´m
often compared to Crowley, yet my philosophy put in practice sets me apart, Pure
Design, Chance, or Mistake.  And here I go, raising many a brow, amidst envy,
the passion of the mediocre, carving my dark writing career for over 16 years,
successfully marketing my extremely prolific work for over 6 years, Seriously
Entertaining thousands worldwide. Judge for yourself.




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Subject: [t93] Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy



Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy

Magic. Never seen any magic other than on the stage and bunnies flying
out of hats. Fun, but not very interesting. Religion. Well, they have
made a fine mess of the world have they not; nothing like religion to
alienate people from people is there and brainwash the masses into
submission. Philosophy, well, that sure is a lot of talking – about
what exactly. Mysticism: or rather Mystical Experience. Now there is a
thing to be sure. Know quite a bit about that from the inside for many
years. But it is hardly prudent or effective to write about it or
mention it; for the world does not like or want mystics, for they rock
the boat of conventions. I guess, all this is why most folks talk about
the weather and what was on TV last night. For no matter what you say,
about anything, there they wait like old hags at a hanging waiting to
gobble you up.

Ahh, tis a strange world begoraha and no wonder mystics can so easily
become hermits and say nothing. Pity, but there you go.

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#19624 From: 333 <nagasiva@...>
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy
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do as you please.

rwr <dick.richardson@...>:
>> Magic, Mysticism, Religion and Philosophy
>>
>> Magic. Never seen any magic other than on the stage
>> and bunnies flying out of hats.

that's odd. it has two primary valences, and you can
encounter it in occult lodges and witchy herb shops:
rituals and spells.

>> Fun, but not very interesting.

well if you didn't see it, then you can't really be a
very good judge of what is interesting about it, then.

>> Religion. Well, they have made a fine mess of the
>> world have they not; nothing like religion to
>> alienate people from people is there and brainwash
>> the masses into submission.

agreed, or raise them up to a civil standard.

>> Philosophy, well, that sure is a lot of talking ???

that varies considerably depending upon whether you
are unfamiliar with the process and just doing some
kind of archaeology of ideas, or if you have something
to work on (at which point it begins to overlap or
merge with mysticism by my estimation).

>> about what exactly.

the conventions of philosophy are focussed upon the
consideration of belief and value in development:

	 * epistemology  --  what is knowledge?
	   what is known? what is real? etc.

	 * ethics  --  what is right, correct,
	   or justifiable in thought and deed?

	 * metaphysics  --  what lies beyond the
	   apparent, if anything? how does it work?

	 * aesthetics  --  what is beauty? what are
	   the principles of perfect and artistry?


>> Mysticism: or rather Mystical Experience. Now
>> there is a thing to be sure. Know quite a bit
>> about that from the inside for many years.

there is a heavy focus upon it within Hermetic
contexts. this is primarily because there are so
many moral justifications for it and so many ways
to fake advancement or progress within it.

>> But it is hardly prudent or effective to write
>> about it or mention it;

nonsense. such writ and mention allows for the
proper analysis to come into being of its actuality.

>> for the world does not like or want mystics,

they are glorified and heroized beyond measure,
particularly where they appeal to ascetic rigours.

>> for they rock the boat of conventions....

that is primarily the "bad boy" mystics who tend to
be charlatans, posers, armchair aficionados, and worse.

>> ...no wonder mystics can so easily become hermits
>> and say nothing. ....

judging by the sheer number of mystics or those who
seek to affiliate with such a label, and particularly
those who vomit forth huge piles of expression on the
topic of great and little worth, it isn't easy at all.

George Pitts <george.pitts@...>:
> ...Nuisance Religion, taken from my monumental
> 35 volume Sixth Gospel, is my trademark....

aimed at Christians, then. we have a comparable
interest, then, in having constructed a Gospel.
you style yours "the Sixth", and i mine "of Satan".

> I'm often compared to Crowley,

by whom, and why?

> yet my philosophy put in practice sets me apart,
> Pure Design, Chance, or Mistake. ...

what characterizes this philosophy, and what are
its resonances with things Thelemic?

Restriction is Sin.

333

#19625 From: David Shoemaker <dgsaa1@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 7:31 am
Subject: Selected Writings of Soror Meral now online!
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Dear friends,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

As some of you will recall, in the summer of 2008 the family of
Phyllis Seckler (Soror Meral) formally transferred the ownership of
the literary copyrights to Soror Meral's writings to the College of
Thelema of Northern California, and acknowledged the COTNC as the sole
legal custodian of her literary estate, library, and archives.  (For
more information, see http://cotnorcal.org/COTNC/A_Note_on_Copyrights.html)

Accordingly, we are proud to announce a new area of the COTNC's
website dedicated to presenting selections from Soror Meral's large
and varied body of essays and poetry.  The offerings will vary from
time to time, but at the moment we are presenting:

Poetry:

Adoration of Nuit
Hymn to the Lord
The Light of Life

Other writings:

Letter Regarding Soror Meral's Story (originally published in In the
Continuum, Volume 5, No. 9)
The Worship of Nuit (originally published in Black Pearl, Volume 1,
No. 6)

You can find the new area of the website here:
   http://cotnorcal.org/COTNC/Soror_Meral.html

We hope you will enjoy these unique and historic writings!

(NOTE:  In the Continuum and Black Pearl are published by the College
of Thelema (based in Southern California)--a separate organization
from COTNC.   As the owner of Soror Meral's personal writings, the
COTNC supports the right of the COT to publish Soror Meral's writings
in their original form within In the Continuum and Black Pearl. )

Love is the law, love under will.

Sincerely,

Dr. David Shoemaker
Chancellor, COTNC

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#19626 From: Donald Correll <branmacllyr@...>
Date: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:46 am
Subject: Re: [t93] Happy Crowley Mass
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Crowley Mass  Song-

We disciples of Aleister Crowly
Gathered round his bier to pay respects,
Pass strange drugs and sing ribald godsongs
to chastise and to enflame to our intellects.
Always thought I'd be one of Crowleys disciples,
Doing Resh and Jugorum with great zest, slash, slash
And when I retire I'll write class D publications
and aspire to be a Magus like the rest.
Crowley was strictly King James Bible,
Classic beasthood by the book and bell
Surely he foresaw in the direful eighties
what the new age magick current would reveal.
Drink to me I love you says the Goddess.
Pass strange drugs and wine instructs Hadit
Worship me with  swords, spears and blood
Says Ra Hoor, that our sleazy foes the Xters might be beat!
Annihilate the Xtians is the watchword
extirminate them to a living soul
Annihilate the creeps says Ra Hoor Khuit
and get on with sex and drugs and Rock and Roll.





Is Aleister Crowley really dead,
really dead.
Did he do those terrible things they said,
things they said.
Is he but dust beneath the sod,
beneath the sod.
Or was Aleister Crowley really god?
really god.

Hark what's that shuffling host,
shuffling host,.
Good grief it's Aleister Crowleys ghost
Crowleys ghost.
Holy of holy is the game
and Aleister Crowley is the name.
Praise the name.

Evoe Pan was his favorite Hymm,
his favorite Hymm.
Becaue it reminded him of him,
him of him.
Heroin was his favorite dope,
it cures from love, peace and hope.
and the pope.

Is Aleister Crowley really dead,
really dead.
Did he do those terrible things they said,
things they said.
Is he but dust beneath the sod,
beneath the sod.
Or was Aleister Crowley really god?
really god.

Crowley had a wife her name was Rose
her name was Rose.
Tis sais she had a very pretty nose.
pretty nose.
And he himself regarded it with awe,
It lead to the receiving of the law.
The Book of the law.

Twenty thousand feet over Chogo Ri,
Chogo Ri.
Crowley and Oscar Eckenstein laughed with glee,
laughed with glee.
Nobody else had climbed so high,
One more step by god they'd touch the sky.

Is Aleister Crowley really dead,
really dead.
Did he do those terrible things they said,
things they said.
Is he but dust beneath the sod,
beneath the sod.
Or was Aleister Crowley really god?
really god.

Victor Newburgh was his favorite accolyte
Tis said he kept him late at night
And when the eye of Horus he had kissed
He cried I am a fundamentalist.

Crowley had some squares of Abremelin.
T'is said he used them to keep a dog from yelling.
The beast of hell was the product of the fun.
He cried by god look what I have done.

Is Aleister Crowley really dead,
really dead.
Did he do those terrible things they said,
things they said.
Is he but dust beneath the sod,
beneath the sod.
Or was Aleister Crowley really god?
really god.

Nobody knows whos Lodge is whose.
Nobody pays his fucking dues.
There is only one thing I don't know,
who's in charge of the bloody OTO.

The last word on Crowley was Sashas
For she was  last to ever haul his ashes.
One night in a fit of drunken Glee
She dashed them 'neath that north NJ tree,
A lone pine tree in Bergen County.

Holy, Holy, Holy
Aleister Crowley
One hand to Malkuth,
The other to the Crown





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#19628 From: "Tahuti Lodge" <tahuti_lodge@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 1:13 pm
Subject: 100 Year Anniversary of Rider-Waite Deck- TAROT READING WORKSHOP IN NYC 12/5/09
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.





On Saturday, December 5th, 2009







In commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the Rider-Waite tarot deck,

Tahuti Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis  is proud to present…..





Professional Tarot Reader  Courtney Weber  for a


Tarot Reading Workshop


Burning the F****G book:

when to let the cards do the talking

    Read tarot like  A pro




OPEN EVENT
4:00 –7:00 pm







For more information:

http://www.tahutilodge.org/tarot_event.php
<http://www.tahutilodge.org/tarot_event.php>






THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD In Manhattan 440 STUDIOS440 Lafayette St
New York, NY 10003-6919
Since beginning the study of Tarot at the age of 15, Courtney Weber has
gained a bi-coastal clientele and is a highly popular Tarot consultant
at corporate, community and underground arts events in the Northeast
Region.  She has lectured on the Tarot at the Harvest Home Gathering,
Pagan Odyssey, Laurelin Community Center and at the NYC Pagan Pride Day.
In the fall of 2009, she was a featured Tarot reader in Time Out New
York.  She has been a featured astrologer on Oomph.net and
Bakespace.com. Courtney's writings on Witchcraft and Paganism have
been published on Witchvox.com, and her fiction and erotica has appeared
in Failbetter.com, Bank Street Magazine and Barebackmagazine.com.

For two years, Courtney wrote (under the pen-name of Sister Mary
Manhattan) the weekly cult-favorite astrologyexplained.blogspot.com
<http://astrologyexplained.blogspot.com/>  and continues to maintain
readership on agirlcalledwoo.blogspot.com
<http://agirlcalledwoo.blogspot.com/> , a chronicle about being a Tarot
reader and practitioner of Witchcraft. She is the creator of Tarot of
the Boroughs, a contemporary Tarot deck set in New York City.  Courtney
lives in Manhattan.





"Courtney has an incredible talent when it comes to reading Tarot.

Her insight and ability to interpret the cards shows years of wisdom

and experience.  I'd let her read for me any day!"
—Liz Guerra, author of Stewart Farrar: Writer on a Broomstick

"Courtney's razor keen insight and graceful honesty transform her
readings

into a real soothsaying experience. She is an intuitive force of nature.

Not for the `novelty' query...Courtney swims in the deep end."
—Velocity Chyaldd, burlesque performer and lead singer of band
Vulgaras


"Courtney gives you the basics so you can make sense of the cards,
drawing

out your intuition to fill in the rest of the cards' meaning with your
own personal experience. In this way, one is able to walk away with both
the logic and intuition

needed to read cards, along with practice, practice, and more
practice!"
—Alison Levy, Tarot student




   440 STUDIOS440 Lafayette St
New York, NY 10003-6919 Between Astor Place and East 4th St. Directly
across from The Public Theater. Elevator to the 3rd & 4th Floors. For
directions and transit info see here:
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Admission is $20



Seating is limited

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schedule



4:00-4:15  Welcome and Introductions--Why are we here?  What is it we
want to learn?

                    What major challenges do we find in the Tarot?
4:15-4:30  History and Composition of the Tarot:  Where did it come
from?

                    What is the Major Arcana?  What is the Minor Arcana?
How do they connect to us?
4:30--5:00  Exercise: The Fool's Journey--Connecting your life story to
that of the Tarot
5:00-5:15  Question and Answer

5:15-5:30  Break

5:30-6:15  BURN THE FUCKING BOOK: Learn to read the Tarot like a
professional--without

                    that little white book!
6:15-6:45  Reading practice
6:45-7:00  Final Question and Answer session, closing meditation.





Also coming …..

Saturday, November 21, 2009

Tahuti Lodge is proud to present Special Guest Lecturer and noted author
BRIAN COTNOIR

Author of The Weiser Concise Guide to Alchemy


Presenting a lecture on

alchemy and the Ascent of the Soul





For more information:

http://www.tahutilodge.org/alchemical_enlightenment.php





OPEN EVENT

4:00-6:00 PM





For more information about Ordo Templi Orientis,

Tahuti Lodge, and our events,

please visit our website at: http://www.tahutilodge.org/



Love is the law, love under will.







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#19629 From: "Tahuti Lodge" <tahuti_lodge@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:22 pm
Subject: Saturday, Nov. 21 4pm - ALCHEMY lecture in NYC by Noted Author Brian Cotnoir
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.







Saturday, November 21, 2009 e.v.



Tahuti Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis, NYC, is proud to present …..


Special Guest Lecturer and noted author     BRIAN COTNOIR

Author of The Weiser Concise Guide to Alchemy


Will be presenting a lecture on

alchemy and the Ascent of the Soul





OPEN EVENT

4:00-6:00 PM







In Constantinople June 617AD, Stephanos of Alexandra finished writing a
series of lectures called the Art of Gold-making. This work is the
synthesis of alchemy to that time and a synopsis of what was transmitted
to the Arabs and on to the West. By examining excerpts from this work,
we will see the broad outlines of Byzantine alchemy with its more overt
spiritual emphasis — alchemy as the ascent of the soul.

In today's talk this idea of the ascent of the soul will be explored
from a variety of perspectives and traditions. Please join noted author
and practicing alchemist Brian Cotnoir, as he surveys the techniques and
methods used by alchemists throughout history in their search for
enlightenment and spiritual transformation.





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THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD In Manhattan 440 STUDIOS440 Lafayette St
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Also coming …..

On Saturday, December 5th, 2009







In commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the Rider-Waite tarot deck,

Tahuti Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis  is proud to present…..





Professional Tarot Reader  Courtney Weber  for a


Tarot Reading Workshop


Burning the F****G book:

when to let the cards do the talking

Read tarot like  A pro




OPEN EVENT
4:00 –7:00 pm





For more information:

http://www.tarot.tahutilodge.org
<http://www.tahutilodge.org/tarot_event.php>



For more information about Ordo Templi Orientis,

Tahuti Lodge, and our events, please visit our website at:
http://www.tahutilodge.org/



Love is the law, love under will.





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#19630 From: Tak Natzu <taknatzu@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:14 am
Subject: Fraternal?
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My laptop is acting funny. THe cursor skips up to things i wrote before and i
ahve to edit and sometimes the new text deletes the old. Appologies beforehand
if i cannot fully rectify this.
 
I have a situation which has become a high concern of mine. For the last 13
years i ahve been harased to varying degrees and in various ways by local cults
and the bulk of the inference has indicated thier angst towards me is rooted in
my past life affiliation with the order A.'.A.'. and the implied disdain of
western culture on behalf of crowley. Other aspects arose from simple
misunderstanding of things which is in turn rooted in thier westernized
mindsets. Though it is true that i eventually began to indulge "emotions" mixing
them with drugs and alcohol and certain psychological tricks to increase my own
pain, to feel it more because it was mine - and that this in turn as steadied my
decline into a mix of atrophy and apathy neither of which i trully enjoy but
were for a time worth the expense if i could only get in touch with the only
valid sensational response to my situation - it only came about after waiting
several years for A.'.A.'. assistance
  and fraternity. Various groups online implied knowledge of my situathis
situation online i would get in-person responses - always with slight of mouth
and ion before i mentioned it. After posting several things about plausible
deniability - and other things.
 
One person invaded my astral space after my occurance on alt.magick and tried to
innitiate me via dream magick. I was in a room with checkered black-white floor,
large stationary and ornate inscence holders and i was laying on the alter.
Others have incaded my dreams with less objectional content and won't be
referenced. Nearly every job I've had has had one of thier members present when
i enlisted or one eventually came. Indications direct me to the cult described
by robert wilson and shae's "illuminatus! trilogy" but also a golden dawn cult,
potentially an o.t.o. cult and chivalric society. I've also had negative and
unprovoked encounters with non-human entities, specifically one where i first
was cuaght with a "flight or fight" sensation only to gaze into the mirror and
see a "five dimensional" being whose full manifestation had to be taken in
parts, like a holographic image. He claimed to be from sirius to steal my
freedom (note, dogs are
  domesticated animals, castrated if you will, and not wholly free and it was
lack of free will for preferance of spiritual obeiscance they sought, or such
was the tacicity of the experience). This may have been a manufactured
experience, I'm not sure. A person online mentioned that certan visions i had
mentioned on alt.magick was false. THey never spoke to me directly when in that
mode of conversation or were very "flat out" and perhaps even almost one-sided
with thier communiques. The recruiters at two local colleges (at the time my
only options) were members. Detailed information can be given later. One person
attempted and eventually (when i indulged myself) in imposing a magickal
psychosis on me to impose and contrive the nessecity for meditation as per the
regiments/yamas of Crowley's Book Four part 1 section 1. I hate spiritual
masters and there's nothing thelemic about contriviction and similar extortions.
I had to hurt myself to avoid it and it's
  times like these that the FRATERNAL A.'.A.'. is meant to be just that. DO
similar malfunctions occur with falun dafa? THier adepts are also fraternally
bound to thier students and aspirants when such instances occur.
 
Several attempts at helping me were afforded. The "gabriel working" i performed
at age 15 warned me of a cult that would try to confuse and perhaps evene
control my mind and several more casual spiritual contacts revealed more. I used
the golden dawn sigil and a ritual i found in a book akin to shamanic rituals
i've found elsewhere wherein one imagines a "cloud realm" or similar meeting
space. An asiatic boy-king with a green glow and golden and black decorated
robes taught me an energy trick. Several asians gave me energy in person and via
the astral. Due to the extremity and immediacy of my situation i was blinded and
thought the extreme disorientation was an attack until years later while talking
to a mongolian spiritualist online. Turns out I might have much more in common
with those asians than i suspected when i percieved them in adversity. I met a
self-proclaimed member of motta's A.'.A.'. at a crack house. She was whoring
herself and eventually
  smelt like too many other peoples semen to even be allowed at the other crack
house. Yet during one conversation she validated something i experienced years
earlier, that joel birocco was in my area and perhaps lending to my suspicion
that he was "stalking me" (like in castenedas' books), due also to his timely
republishing of his babalon working in conjunction with one stint i had online
as i sometimes lose itor years. I expressed my opinion that chaos and thelema
were coeval, a word which piqued her intriguement and joels babalon working
aside i do have plans for this. I was a chaos magickian before i was consciously
aware of being thelemic but when i saw it there was no denying it. I held in the
back of my head that i was a reincarnated member but waned several forms of
third party varification (omens) before i could formally and consciously indulge
such potential flights to fancy. I picked up a book and set it down after the
papyrus ani footnote
  knowing i needed much more formal and esoteric education to make use of it at
that young age of 13. I thought i knew everything about the author, that maybe i
was him. I immediately put that aside, it would only cloud my mind. Besides, he
was a dead and my life is now. Earlier that school year a friend thought i knew
the answer to the question "what is the meaning of life" based on some
conversations and etc. I quickly and laughingly told him life has no meaning,
men find and give meaning to it (the -exact- phrasing will have to be recalled
later but pick either of the two additions to what solomon said on the meaning
of life in the old testament). I had a tendancy to refer to myself on paper as
"christ, high priest, and saint" but considered this a reaction to then being in
a catholic middle school. Later on others would take this mroe seriously. Two
times native americans came to my door when i was not home asking my birth
father where "the father"
  was. Never met them. THey were the least offensive of those who call me jesus
or christ or similar admonitions. Validity is not lost upon me, i can at times
bring earnest christians to tears with my ability to quote the bible (once
actually, and she was barely holding them back when i correlated egyptian
tradition and asiatic mysticism with judeochristianity but I'll leave room for
furture incidents should they ever occur as the potential still exists).
Besides, it was only weeks ago that a car came to a screeching halt so the
driver could stick out his head and yell to me "you look like jesus fucking
christ." I wanted to chose lucifer as my communion name but my teachers said he
was a saint not of our denomination. Lucifer played an underlying role in most
of my occultism, i like him for his alchemy. To me, lucifer = alchemy. While
working a side job a black man in african regalia with a bone necklass, the
colored half-robe and flattened hat with an
  indistinct accent asked me if i had some marijuana to smoke. I said i would if
i did and he went on to say that i look like lucifer and that the owner had five
dogs for each archangel, including lucifer. This was third party varification
and i do look like myself on a higher plane, as i phrased such things when i was
a teenager.
 
I have seen myself in blue orangish and white robes with a large sword. Wearing
hard leather armor. Having height stories higher than the humans below me as my
image was interpreted holographically, alternating between me in modern
"metal-styled" black leather and a somewhat "fly-ish" insectoid form. When i
tried to speak with a human it suddenly became aware of me and was filled with
fright. Ran off screaming and I have other lovecraftian paraphrenalia about me,
specifically concerning the cold, a green glow and primordial things. I have
also witnessed myself with reptilian skin and glowing orbs about myself,
specifically the two "mickey mouse ears" on the back of my head. Other times
with golden-orange robes. Soemtiems i am with people of one race, other times
with another. I awoke in a monastery and pointed to the next horizon and for a
period my face was clouded with a multi-colored glow. After losing this glow i
noted that i lost certain superficial
  aspects of self-Self. Some in one asian kingdom reminded me that even in the
ehavens they still play rough, but trully play at the same time. Not like what
one might sometimes find down here on the planet. Some are merely callous, like
venus aphrodite in homers' illiad. And they do call be a baby and a whiner while
i struggle and toil. I enjoyed homers illiad, he must have been innitiated. It
has many signs to this end. I have not been formally innitiated, i work with
transcarnated dharma, the dharma i get from the clouds spirits and air around
me. I reject all terrestrial innitiation, dirt and time are vices i cannot
endure. They work much cleaner and must faster as experience has shown. Some say
I'm full of myself, but how full are they to impose terrestrialism over my
supraterrestrialism? Gabriel and others guided me and helped me, as did my Holy
Guardian Angel. Lucifer came to me in clouds one day to end my suffering. My
body became stiff and prone
  and my heart stopped as sometimes occured in meditation or casual instances. We
both knew it was not my time. A great vision in the clouds was efore me and the
sky seemed painted. Every contour and shadow only perfected the image. I've had
visions in the clouds since i was young. At the end they told me i could go with
them, but i said i ahve things to do down here. Some time later i began to
indulge. Formal A.'.A.'. recognition is not required and if you want a record
for the experiences which were too quick to stop and write about then i suggest
you check the akashik or go fuck yourself. I am a very small person inside but
sometimes now how to speak when i chose to. I dunno why some in the west want so
much from me, they even got blood from my stone of a heart but still they seek
more. I said if have to heal myself (and perhaps even do the rest thereafter
myself) i would only become "very fucking pissed" and would take it out on the
proepr authorities
  in the west. I test you, not the other way around.
 
I was at a building formerly owned by a cicero. I was invited by some i met
socially who claimed some extensive esotericism, like bleeding thier negativity
into a crystal so that it in turn became black. It was "goth night" at the
upstage, a nightclub in that building. THe place was sold after i began to
formulate a means of expressing discontent online, roughly in the year 2005 or
2006. It was later housed at a gay night club downtown called "pegasus." Once
there i spent some time by myself, not really knowing anyone. I sat down with
the group who brought me and they had gathered soem friends from the crowd. The
main one, who i suspect of being a shapeshifter, began a name game. She was
lucifer, the next muhammed, jesus, confucius and buddha in some order. I was
"sqiggly wiggly." Though some get the impression that I am, I try not to be an
untouchable person after this manner and some (LHP and similar types with lack
of extensive indulgence) take this
  as weakness as determined by a western mindset I am again tiring to indulge.
This may or may not be evident in my current prose. So we left and another girl
came home with us. She spent the night and demonstrated some telepathic ability
in the form of a test. After a subsequent conversation she invited me to the
porch and superimposed her appearance with that of a much older male. She then
impposed a trance on me an cautioned me not to indulge it but i tried to use it
for the healing i knew she wouldn't give. She gave me some of my energy back for
a moment and i tested her, asked her to show me how to prevent it being taken as
such (usually i can prevent it but i made a stash on the astral and have been
rather absent minded due to my so-called faith in my eventual return concerning
these artifacts). I was giddy and energetic again, and it had been a while. I'm
not really what i am at other points, and have been known as a pot-head (my
usualy disguise),
  some one who always looks like they want to kill some one, some one who perhaps
never read a book, some claim i'm very intelligent when they get in that mode,
but before all this i was the kid who'd bash his head against lockers and brick
walls or punch them, vandalize public and private property huff glue and cut
himself while listening to metal. Before that I was just a child who soemtimes
had a fetish for oriental "mind over matter" meditation and found his soul spot
in the woods where he'd try to venture to the point where no sign of
cEvilization could be seen. I'd read encyclopedias and watch 1980's horror and
martial arts and action films at age 8 and got into nine inch nails greenday and
white zombie when i was in fifth grade. I hade numerous occult experiences, and
one worth mentioning for it's simplicity is when i took a small statuette and
threw it for no reason at age eight or nine or maybe 10. It and time stood still
as it floated in midair
  then fell. It was nothing to me, just like when i awoke to find myself floating
above my bed. Only relevant thing to say about that is that i checked to see if
i was holding myself above my bed as if doing push ups in my sleep before i fell
moments later. All that time i spent trying to walk up invisible stairs for
"mind over matter" and i did it in my sleep at age 10 or 11. I used to see solid
shadows in human form at the foot of my bed, sometimes strange music
accompanied. I'd eventually conjure one after him and four of his friends
summoned me, with that music, to my mothers sitting room. They were in "star"
form and discussing politics. I beseached them as thus "oh great and unholy
masters, bestow thy infernal powers upon me." THey laughed and said i was too
pretentious and i tacitly understood what that menat without ever hearing the
word before. I was 12 or 13 at the time. This is a small recollection, the rest
would only encumber this.
 
 
My current pretentiousness is a form of NLP-metaprogramming, keeps me focused in
spite of all the crack alcohol and weed and whatever other stressors I endure. I
was given two names. God amungst men, man amungst gods.. God Satan CHrist
AntiChrist. These are my mottos today. When i was about 8m or 9 my sunday school
teacher told our class that god was everywhere and all seeing. I tried
internally to percieve from this perspective. I recieved a vision of christ in
blue orangish and white robes and a light blue aura floating down the street
near the school instead. Later within about 2 years i heard a voice in my head,
not entirely unusual. It told me i was weak ugly and stupid but would correct
this. Told em the spirit moves the body and implied the obverse was not correct.
I would later attribute my strength to my spirit, and i was the smallest person
on my little league football team, or nearly so, but my coaches used me as an
example for my ability on
  the line. I started offensive and defensive line and once evne had some one in
tears of frustration because i knocked him on his ass every play. I got mine
too. I'd break through the line and get spear headed each time during one game.
I attribute this to something dirty i did during a pile-on once.. I wasn't
always so un-western and did indulge it for a time. But later became sick of it
knowing that those i hung out wiht would not ___ as deep as I would. Not in
politics or the occult, they only wanted charms banter and rhetoric. I wanted
essence. When I was in fifth grade i watched MTV (later i'd ahve to stop due to
thier lack of adherance to their namesake and that metal music became confined
to late night television adn eventually mtv2 for preferance of reality t.v.
which only entertained me during my 6'th grade year when the real world had a
"punk" participant, and i was young and perhaps easily fooled into that...) i
saw some punk rockers in new
  york during one of thier commercials and knew this was the true path. I still
cannot claim to be punk because I'm not a gutter punk. But lack of worthwhile
participants caused me to isolate and become an occultish hermit during my
highschool years, only hanging out when we cut class to smoke pot and spending
the rest of my time reading about politics and the occult or my rather extensive
experimentation. No sleep for 2-5 days and repeat on waking, sleep is for the
weak. Not more than half a meal a day if that, sometimes 1, food is for the
weak. no water unless at school at the fountain or at the eat n' park, water is
for the weak. No oxygen for preferance of huffing glue, smoking cigarrettes and
weed and pranayama restrictions on breathing, air is for the weak. Or such was
my mantra. Lots of self hypnosis, trance work and etc. I rose on the planes and
saw my higher self and brought down my transcarnated dharma somewhat after
meeting gabriel. THis
  followed by months of lsd. Only quarter and half hits at first, then full hits
then two and this led to an extreme experience. I cut myself while throwing
broken glass at a wall to see it sparkle in the sun. I was perhaps the only one
in highschool with lsd and once had 20 people tripping in the same day. And i
was already being cursed and afflicted for years by this point, but also
vampirized (eventually to the point of brittle bones, cold chest for weeks and
even feeling hands clasping my chest when waking after a vampiric dream, and
where was the FRATERNAL A.'.A.'., no other A.'.A.'. matters). I allowed myself
an indulgence, being the guy who always looked like he wanted to kill some one
wasn't my full personality so i said "holy shit" in a failed attempt at emoting.
THe underside of my finger dangled and i began to bleed. My sister told me to
run to the bp gas station but i told her it would only make me bleed faster, so
i walked. Once there i
  nearly passed out and puked. When i regained myself i went into the bathroom
and had a funny thought when i noticed i was leaving bloody handprints on the
wall. Spent five hours in the waiting room at the e.r. laughing at other
paitents with my sister and the enxt day the clerk at the b.p. told me some one
came in later and thought some one had been murdered in bathroom. Mission
accomplished. I seldom do these things anymore, having been so severely
dispirited and disheartened. Been a couple months since i threw some uprooted
plants into the sunroof of a car with a friend. Been a couple years since i
flatted the tires of nearly every car on the street. THough i did, with a
friend, get a cut closed down with our obscene graffitti a couple months ago. In
an unrelated incident i wrote "sanity is a liability, jump here to find freedom"
on the side of a bridge.I'm a very small person, and deep inside i'm only a
child. I just wanna be me but they hate me and
  want me to conform, they want to "steal my freedom" as said above, make me some
bland idiot western intellectual. Get the context now?
Years of my life, can the A.'.A.'. return them? I take payments out the ass as
well, you know? I even came in my good clothes, looking all jesus like in my
skin suite. I hate you people. Only whitey calls me a racist, because of white i
say about whitey. In new york there was a riot. 1920's. Italians irish and
blacks, the rally cry was "let's kill all the white people." Where is YOUR
heart? Mine is stolen. I am irish and cicilian, but have other reasons to say
"kill whitey." THe misfits wrote a song, "let's kill all the white people." I
feel my punk said it best. Better than the hippies, and perhaps because they
lack superficiality. Not just the superficial lacking but also lack of "v for
victory" peace sign, new age rhetoric, sex drugs music and communes and etc.
 
I'm 26 years old. But if i go with the adepts of the generation prior to mine
(which i was told not to, for thier vulgarity, see also the "illuminatus!
trilogy" when wilson/shae claim "the great white magickian is dead, now is the
time for black brothers" and need i remind you of your fraternal obligations?
fair enough, your order is naught and i did say if i can outdo any adept in any
sense then i would denounce the entire organization because i test you, not you
unto me) i'd only indulge the moonchilde ritual i came to save this body from.
Crowley denounced it. Fuck any cult that uses it. And fuck scientology as well.
Yeah, i heard that story too, along with kenneth angers falling out with that
guy from led zeppelin. Also came across an article online, republished from
1983, year i was born, called "the beast is back." 1983, NOT 1984. Yes, I was
once head of an illuminist order which uses the eye in the pyramid design, but i
fucking hate mentalists.
  Orwell wasn't bad.Some golden dawn societies, however, and perhaps some
chivalric ones, posture themselves a certain way. Several national and
international politions were at my grandfaths funeral. I am the seventh son of a
seventh daughter. My ancestors owned various establishments and were partial
owners of what is now a internationally reknown football franchise. I grew up in
a room with no insulation or heating and grew to lvoe the cold. Some of the
coldest winters on record. I no longer wear t-shirts or go out barechested in
snow storms but we don't have snow storms anymore. I do sometimes leave my
window open on winter nights. I am 26. 13 years. I am mostly self taught. I'm a
fucking weed, not wanted to live but somehow making root and perhaps even
flowers at times. Since the age of 13...i rise but only did so until age 21-23,
then I indulged myself. Now i suffer trial by fire. I couldn't go to college,
they first tried to make me take clases i
  didn't want by claiming to ahv eno info on any class but those my mother wanted
me to take and when i persisted she left and came back with for only the classes
my mother suggested. The next attempt was met with more extravagant
interference. I am mostly self taught. Due to U.S.ian education system in public
schools me and my classmates tried to ahve our math teacher fired but he was
only transfered. Two of his students in his student body passed with "d"
averages. I've been fucked on that end ever since though "tested posative" for
calculus in an online I.Q. test. I've known since the fifth grade that such
things are bogus but did score a high of 152, the real score should ahve been
clsoe to mensa status had i a PROPER education. I was a borderline genius in
gradeschool. FUCK THE U.S. My burnt foreign I.D. in front of the statue of
liberty (and captured on camera and available online from an ftp site whose addy
i forgot) was perhaps a FUCKING WASTE. So
  much can happenn so little time sinc ehte last just war.
 
But they never did live up to thier standards, did they? Slaves, prejudice, no
men being equal and thier having said "who gives a fuck about the rights of
woemn children gays and anyone perhaps not quite so masculinely anglo saxon as
they" and etc. Censor me and die. My only threat is that i will find a way. I am
not a badass, I am a very small person. Western mvoies make what i might
naturally say seem cheesey and generic.
So i once said that i would make serial killer movies a reality, stop short of
cannibalism and kill thier secondary incarnations first. THat girl who was
killed and mutilated in 2005 looks alot like the shapeshifter from above. I said
I would atack thier heads of state for attacking mine meaning me. THe killer
looked a little like micheal meyers and had "23" in his yahoo addy. He too
stopped short of cannibalism, i did this in honor of achilles. I took latin in
highschool because i knew from crowley's mitap that it would become nessesary.
He told his class he didn't care, it was a dead language. I ehar now they no
longer offer many if any language courses. Was once a blue ribbon highschool and
is now a security state highschool. No language classes but some couple hundred
security cameras. So much for the state budget on learning....I found myself
cutting class for many reasons. I first started in fifth grade and some may say
i was too smart for my own
  good. i knew my grades did not reflect anything mroe than rote memory. The
teacher just let us walk out, and we played hide and seek or whatever in the
hallways. Give somebody something WORTH trying for. Otherwise they just waste
lives, but the trend towards aristocracy prefers this anyway. Social darwinism
is nothing more than a socioalized darwinian pretense which favors obeiscance
and the status quo and those in power. It's an attempt to justify corporate
feudalism in it's modern ad-libbed an open ended form which is validated only
under a vulgar understanding, it does not encourage true intelligence. FUck what
crowley said, for having said just that i FEEL like a motherfuckinggod.
Employment record is used as a vice, a form of extortion. Lose your job on bad
terms, even if they are contrived biased or unfounded, and expect to wait one or
more months for a new one or simply take the bullshit jobs that don't care. Some
are lucky and there are
  loopholes but this is not what the U.S. was supposed to be. A fucking drug test
to work at a cogo's? For a minimum wage job that won't even or ever afford me
life liberty and the persuit of happiness either in constitutional terms or
modern terms? BULLSHIT! I used to disdain being buried with the rights of a
saint by A.'.A.'. members, but maybe they knew something i didn't about myself.
I hate to indulge this, i'd rather smoke crack.
 
 
 
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On Saturday, December 5th, 2009







In commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the Rider-Waite tarot deck,

Tahuti Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis  is proud to present…..





Professional Tarot Reader  Courtney Weber  for a


Tarot Reading Workshop


Burning the F****G book: when to let the cards do the talking

    Read tarot like  A pro


     OPEN EVENT
4:00 –7:00 pm





For more information:

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THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD In Manhattan 440 STUDIOS440 Lafayette St
New York, NY 10003-6919 STUDIO 4A (4th floor)
Since beginning the study of Tarot at the age of 15, Courtney Weber has
gained a bi-coastal clientele and is a highly popular Tarot consultant
at corporate, community and underground arts events in the Northeast
Region.  She has lectured on the Tarot at the Harvest Home Gathering,
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In the fall of 2009, she was a featured Tarot reader in Time Out New
York.  She has been a featured astrologer on Oomph.net and
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been published on Witchvox.com, and her fiction and erotica has appeared
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For two years, Courtney wrote (under the pen-name of Sister Mary
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reader and practitioner of Witchcraft. She is the creator of Tarot of
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440 STUDIOS440 Lafayette St
New York, NY 10003-6919 STUDIO 4A (4th floor) Between Astor Place and
East 4th St. Directly across from The Public Theater. Elevator to the
3rd & 4th Floors. For directions and transit info see here:
http://440studios.com/how-do-i-get-there/
<http://440studios.com/how-do-i-get-there/>    Check out our web page
for the studio room. http://www.tahutilodge.org/




Admission is $20



Seating is limited

Please reserve your seat using Paypal



http://www.tarot.tahutilodge.org
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<mailto:tahutilodge@...>

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schedule



4:00-4:15  Welcome and Introductions--Why are we here?  What is it we
want to learn?

                    What major challenges do we find in the Tarot?
4:15-4:30  History and Composition of the Tarot:  Where did it come
from?

                    What is the Major Arcana?  What is the Minor Arcana?
How do they connect to us?
4:30--5:00  Exercise: The Fool's Journey--Connecting your life story to
that of the Tarot
5:00-5:15  Question and Answer
5:15-5:30  Break
5:30-6:15  BURN THE FUCKING BOOK: Learn to read the Tarot like a
professional--without

                    that little white book!

6:15-6:45  Reading practice

6:45-7:00  Final Question and Answer session, closing meditation.



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On Sunday, December 6, 2009,



Tahuti Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis, NYC cordially invites you to join us
for a


PUBLIC CELEBRATION OF THE GNOSTIC MASS


OPEN EVENT - 2:00 pm



Presented under the auspices of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, Tahuti
Lodge invites you to join us for a public celebration of the Gnostic
Mass, our central ritual.

An ideal introduction into the Mysteries and magick of the O.T.O.


If you would like to attend this event and receive directions, please
email
tahutilodge@...
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&YY=9367&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=1&view=a&head=b>





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Saturday, December 19, 2009 e.v.


     TAROT STUDY GROUP: A Continuing Series


OPEN EVENT: 2:00 pm





This Session we will explore: ATU II: THE MAGICIAN



A different card will be studied each month, in a continuing series on
the Tarot.



Our aim is to provide a forum to encourage the study and exploration of
Tarot.




To RSVP for this event and receive directions, please email
tahutilodge@...
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&YY=9367&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=1&view=a&head=b>



* * * * * *



For more information about Ordo Templi Orientis,

Tahuti Lodge, and our events, please visit our website at:

http://www.tahutilodge.org/



Love is the law, love under will.







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#19634 From: Donald Correll <branmacllyr@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [t93] The Watchers Return Out of Time
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93 All,
To all who are interested I have posted the third installment of my serialized
Posthumous Collaboration
The Watchers Return Out of Time

http://www.donaldcorrell.com/road/watchers.html

Donald Correll

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#19635 From: 333 <nagasiva@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:34 am
Subject: FWD "Thelema: Religion or Philosophy?"
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from
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(accessed 12/8/09)

Thelema is a principle which is turned toward philosophic expression and a
system of self-religion or self-spirituality, and toward group-religion and
conformance to cultic submission. this principle pertains to will as is clear in
the etymology of the word.

the thelemic stream partakes of a larger social impetus known as the Human
Potential Movement, and should be measured against less ecclesiastical but
contemporaneous manifestations such as that of the New Thought Movement, and
examined as to how it relates to expressions by philosophers of volition and
anti-religious or inverso-religious literature dealing with will such as that by
Rabelais ('Do as you would like', 'Do as you please', etc.) and Paschal Beverly
Randolph ('Will reigns supreme. Love lieth at the foundation').

the implication that the Rule ("Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the
Law.") could have advocatory meaning brings politics (of anarchism at least,
libertinism at most) into the discussion, and Crowley explained that 'do what
thou wilt' might mean ANYTHING " if only the interpreter be illuminated; but if
not, they are all false, even as he is false."

Aiwass as a singular intelligence was of import to the Beast but to no other
outside of the Beast's cults. the Holy Guardian Angel of those who find and have
Knowledge and Conversation is of great import, and they may discern identity
between that and Aiwass.

the primary difference between self-spirituality within a life and a religion is
the number of people involved, how they coordinate their worship, and whether to
establish any moral standards. with a solitary self-spirituality or a flexible
group, no coordination or conformance is required, though the focus of
veneration may vary significantly amongst participants.

The Black Brother, 333

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