--- Touch Ecstasy <briabrianctouchecstasy> wrote:

> Just accept that Leary spent so much time in
heightened states that most of his insights will be
beyond the kenn of those of us chickenshits who don't
consume 1000s of mics of LSD on a weekly basis for
years on end (and don't bother with any of the
"dna/dnain damage" crap please - just go to the MAPS
website and save me the grief)...

93

      You seem to be focusing a lot more on the "It"
than the "I" and the "We" - that is,  the sacraments
and not the set and setting,  as Leary would say.
They are all equally important.  I think this was one
of Leary's best ideas - but unfortunately many of his
followers ignore set and setting and think that all
they need is a big enough dose as often as possible.

      The usefulness of a cognitive framework - a map -
is enormous,  and Leary did a great job of presenting
one which was digestible by the man on the street. It
did me a great deal of good - but I have found better
maps,  pre-modern,  modern and post-modern (the Tree
of Life has held up well,  IMO).  Of course,  these
maps are less well suited to the "man on the street"
and can be intimidating and time-consuming to study.
Well,  life's a bitch - get over it.  Sometimes the
most important things are easy - and sometimes they
are the hardest things you will ever deal with.

      BTW - I'm not bashing Leary - I just don't put
him on a pedestal or take him to be the
end-all-be-all.  When Wilson wrote "Prometheus" he
stated optimistically that within 10 years it would be
hopelessly out of date.  This is how much he believed
in progress.  "Prometheus" is not a "publication in
class A" and was never intended to be taken as such.

      I never bought into the mass-media image of
Leary.

> Goddess, man - the map ain't the territory! Take
that menu out of your mouth! Once you do join us in
the Here And Now you'll find Future History much more
"lively" than you'd expect from someone who was old
(ie "ieer 30")before his first "trip" - w/Maria Sabina
in Mexico - where he was given his "galactic mission"
(as he put it).

      Why is it that when I say that I've found better
maps than Leary's 8 circuit model you think I've
confused the map with the territory?  Yes,  the menu
doesn't taste like the meal - but some describe it
better.  Leary's map was one of thousands which humans
have developed.  Many of them are worse,  and some of
them are better.  None of them are "true."
Nevertheless,  I *believe" that there is a "deep
reality" - i.e. I am not a solipsist.  There is always
the capacity to create a better map - no map is final.
  Personally,  I find it most useful to integrate as
many maps as possible.  Leary's is accessible but
leaves out many things - again,  he designed it for
"the man on the street."  This is laudable -
enlightenment should not be restricted to ivory
towers.

> I thought you were a RAW fan - see, I'm conditioned
to dismiss your hero Wilber, cuz RAW sez can replace
any of KWs fancypants transpersonal psych terms w/
whatever "gobbletygook" you like, and it will sound
equally sensible (similar to political doublespeak,
Bob purports)...

      Sounds like RAW is your hero.  You dismiss Wilber
"cuz RAW sez."  Why don't you look for yourself?
Wilber is no hero to me,  I just find his work useful.
  To be honest,  I think RAW has gotten somewhat bitter
- I don't think he ever got the recognition he felt he
deserved.  The difference between RAW and Wilber is
that Wilber derives many of his ideas from EMPIRICAL
RESEARCH.  True,  he often pushes out beyond that into
theoretical stuff - which he admits there isn't much
evidence for.  RAW seems more rooted in his own
anecdotal experience and whatever idea strikes him.
Of the two,  Wilber seems the more scientific.  RAW is
too hung up on deconstruction - i.e. extreme
(borderline pathological) post-modernism.

      There is an enormous difference between "The map
is not the territory" and "all maps are equal."  Try
using a map of Moscow to navigate L.A. - or use a
weather map of L.A. to get around L.A. - or use a 10
year old's drawing of L.A. to get around L.A.  (why
you would ever want to go to L.A. is another issue
entirely).

> Actually I resent the volume of Wilber's published
work. Talk about megalomania! Who has the time for
that? I'd rather read a pamphlet on Gebser than a
volume by Wilber - but maybe one day I'll choke it
down but I prefer an uncut 8" any day to Wilber's
substitute for a sex life (ie books about how great
and spiritual sex is - if you're not a homo!).

      I don't have time to play basketball 6 hours a
day,  but that doesn't make me resent NBA players.
It's okay if someone is better than you at something -
you don't need to resent them.

      BTW "Integral Psychology" is only 194 pages,
with another 100 or so of charts and notes.  It is
intended for the "man-on-the-street."  But perhaps 300
pages is too much for you.  If it is I can't see why
you bother to read at all.  (I have read Wilber's 800
page S.E.S - twice.  And no,  I don't have much of a
sex life:-P

      And I am a homo.  What does that have to do with
reading Wilber?

      It seems to me that you have made some kind of
prophet/hero out of Leary and Wilson.  I hate to break
it to you,  but they are fallable,  and someone better
will ALWAYS come along.  (And yes,  I recognize this
is true of Wilber as well).  There is no final model,
no ultimate map.  There is no such thing as the 8
circuits - they exist only in your mind as concepts.
If they remain usefull to you,  more power to you.  I
just don't think that it (the 8 circuits) is the most
acurate or useful model we've come up with.

93

rockout

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screwed a bunch of stuff up.  I think I fixed
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--- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, me meagain <catgirl02000@y...>
wrote:
>
>I wish more people would would somehow be aware of it. I would just
like to see more true seekers
>  joinig ranks and less goth high school drop outs..  I love all
people but I am thinking that a plan to deduce more people  of a
higher station would help all involved in the order. But that is of
course common knowledge.

> ~~~~~~~~~~
> I suppose to sum this up I need just to mention that I didnt mean
to say that the OTo should have standards maning they are to god for
anyone but rather that they should embrace everyoe but attract a
higher ratio of better quality people. It seems that in my experience
however limited that I have seen way to many corrupt camps , lodges,
etc. .


The camp that I was breifly associated consisted mainly of Goth kids
without degrees or careers. Not that they were bad people or they
were incapable of improving. I am in my my thirties, have a masters
degree and am a home owner.  I felt a bit out of place. With the
exception of some of the higher ups, it is a very young scene. I
don't think it is a question of quality, so much as the OTO needs to
attract more adults. I am not only refering to chronological age
because the were plenty of people around my age that were living off
their parent's money, still wearing black all the time, and had no
real interest in doing the hard work of self development.

Like attracts like and I don't think the OTO will attract more grown-
up people any time soon. After all "Man can only attract and employ
the forces for which he is really fitted."

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike marduk" <rockout93@...>
To: <thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [t93] Re: Few, Secret, Leary


>      Sounds like RAW is your hero.  You dismiss Wilber
> "cuz RAW sez."  Why don't you look for yourself?
> Wilber is no hero to me,  I just find his work useful.
>  To be honest,  I think RAW has gotten somewhat bitter
> - I don't think he ever got the recognition he felt he
> deserved.  The difference between RAW and Wilber is
> that Wilber derives many of his ideas from EMPIRICAL
> RESEARCH.  True,  he often pushes out beyond that into
> theoretical stuff - which he admits there isn't much
> evidence for.  RAW seems more rooted in his own
> anecdotal experience and whatever idea strikes him.
> Of the two,  Wilber seems the more scientific.  RAW is
> too hung up on deconstruction - i.e. extreme
> (borderline pathological) post-modernism.

I don't think any one of these places is designed to be a 'stopping point'
...That's what so many people have done with Crowley. One could do much
worse than reading a bit of KW or RAW. Same with Leary... I got quite a bit
of enjoyment and insight from him, but still his work represents only one
small area of a vastly expanding territory. Some of its useful sometimes,
some of it isn't. None of it is for everybody, but over time, the sum of all
of these ideas puts forth a better model of consciousness than we had before
they came along.
  I also think Rollo May's "Love and Will" puts a great deal into
perspective.

Bliss:
Alamantra

--- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, "lu_156" <lu_156@y...> wrote:

> The camp that I was breifly associated consisted mainly of Goth
kids
> without degrees or careers. Not that they were bad people or they
> were incapable of improving. I am in my my thirties, have a masters
> degree and am a home owner.

A mortgage holder or a home owner? Heh. Little bit of a difference
there. A Master's degree in what?

>  I felt a bit out of place. With the
> exception of some of the higher ups, it is a very young scene. I
> don't think it is a question of quality, so much as the OTO needs
to
> attract more adults. <snip for brevity>

The OTO classes I've been to are around Newport Beach, CA area (Heru-
Ra-Ha Lodge). I've met plenty of 'responsible' (job holding, bill
paying: yes, I am one of them, too) adults here. In fact, they
probably outnumber the goth kids. The Monday night classes are great
fun with Milo.

(full disclosure: I'm not in the OTO, just a friend of the OTO)

Cheers,
Mabopsa87

93!

Greetings,

The camp that I was breifly associated consisted mainly of Goth kids
> without degrees or careers. Not that they were bad people or they
> were incapable of improving. I am in my my thirties, have a masters
> degree and am a home owner.  I felt a bit out of place. With the
> exception of some of the higher ups, it is a very young scene.

My experience has been just the opposite. I just recieved my Minerval
two nights ago with the Onnosophoris Oasis in
Noblesville/Indianapolis. I was thinking we would have a great deal
of goth/fetish types but in reality, me and this one other guy seem
to be the only two into that type of thing. Everybody else seemed to
be really "normal" for lack of a better word. The majority of them
were older than me (being 28 next month). No one there was under the
age of 22.


I
> don't think it is a question of quality, so much as the OTO needs
to
> attract more adults. I am not only refering to chronological age
> because the were plenty of people around my age that were living
off
> their parent's money, still wearing black all the time, and had no
> real interest in doing the hard work of self development.
>
> Like attracts like and I don't think the OTO will attract more
grown-
> up people any time soon. After all "Man can only attract and employ
> the forces for which he is really fitted."


I agree with you. But how about a combination of both? I like
fetish/gothsters but I also tend to be heavily influenced by
the "older" generation. Also, we need more women!! LOL.

Love is the law, love under will
Fra. Dominion

Brothers and Sisters:

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

777 is instructed to make known his magical use of an
ancient Gnostic Word of Magick:

...ABLANATHANALBA ...

This word was used as a magical charm in Rome, and
occurs in Abraxas gems as well as in magical papyri.
In Greek, it reads the same backwards as forwards. It
is conceded to be of the Aramaic, "Our Father". It is
a "holy word" of double-power, identified with
ABRAHADABRA.

Aleisterion, directed by certain Mahatmas, has been
led to inquire into a definite magical connection
between Aleister Crowley and Madame H.P. Blavatsky, to
whom Crowley referred as "Forerunner". He dismissed
this direction at first, as a bit unlikely, but
checked into it anyway. Regardie is known to have
considered this connection, which Crowley only hints
at, as ridiculous, considering Blavatsky is on record
against sexual magick, not to mention the fact that
she was more mystic than magician.

However ... Blavatasky may have made secret use of
sexual magick ... There is a letter from Blavatsky
relaying a message from her Masters, written a day or
two prior to October 12, 1875 era vulgari (Crowley's
birthday), in reference to a meeting in reference to
the Theosophical Society's formation, supposed to take
place at that time. The Mahatma writes that the
meeting must be postponed until the following
Saturday, Oct 16, the reason cited: she "has a great
labour to perform": this would have been at the very
time Crowley was born, making this evidence in favor
of the theory that, after all, H.P.Blavatsky was
indeed the Magical Mother of 666, assisting
magically, that is, in the Magical Manifestation of
the Beast into the vessel known as Crowley.

Most interesting of all, a string of magical words
appear scrawled in the letter, among them, the word
Ablanathanalba, accompanied by Blavatsky's own notes,
indicating that it means abrachadabra (abrahadabra),
as if given for a Sign to the fact of the Magical
Maternity of The Beast 666.

If anyone can help locate the exact text of this
please email 777.

Thanks,

"Love is the law, love under will."

Love 777

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Daniel Wurts <aleisterion@y...> wrote:

>
> Most interesting of all, a string of magical words
> appear scrawled in the letter, among them, the word
> Ablanathanalba, accompanied by Blavatsky's own notes,
> indicating that it means abrachadabra (abrahadabra),
> as if given for a Sign to the fact of the Magical
> Maternity of The Beast 666.
>
> If anyone can help locate the exact text of this
> please email 777.

   The exact text you seek is unclear, but the palindrome
Ablanathanalba is well known, being a common feature of papyri and
amulets. More often than not the word appears misspelled, and in
reality, as is the case with most ancient words of power used
throughout the Mediterranean, it has no certain meaning other than
being associated with IAO and Abrasax.

   FWIW, Abracadabra is a French modification of Abrasadabra, a word
first used by the Basilideans if I'm not mistaken.

   Here's link to a good site on the voces magicae. Item number 4
should interest you:

   http://www.lib.umich.edu/pap/magic/rb.display.html#no.4


   Prophet of L

hi

i wander why r the demon kings
in table II of liber 777
associated like this:

Oriens Left Upper Point
Ariton Right Upper Point
Paimon Right Lower Point
Amaimon Left Lower Point

because that association is not compatible
with adequate elements according 2
endnote no5 of the same liber 777

from liber 777
*******************************************************
In The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the
Mage (tom. II cap. XIX) are tabulated the names of
various Evil Spirits: chief among these are the "Four
Princes and Superior Spirits", to wit Lucifer,
Leviathan, Satan and Belial who may perhaps be
referred to the Elements (I would suggest Fire,
Water, Air, Earth respectively); immediately below
these are eight "Sub-Princes", namely Oriens,
Paimon, Ariton, Amaimon (vide 777 col. LXVIII),
Astarot, Magot, Asmodee and Belzebud (sic); a total
of 316 named spirits are listed below the eight Sub-
Princes, some subject to one of them, some shared
between two or more.
*******************************************************

thanx
spacecrystal

Dear EyeofHoor:

Thanks for the link and info.  Of course, I am
instantly struck by the similarity between
Abla-nathan-alba and Abra-had-abra.  Particularly, its
connection with Abrahadabra, being the Word of the
Aeon, as a Testament to the Authenticity of the Sign.


I have seen this letter in past, but never noticed the
significance of the date thereof, that is until
attention was drawn to the fact by the Intelligence
with which I am currently in magical communication.
This Intelligence was right on the mark before, when
it compelled me and others associated with me to
contact the O.T.O. and others, in an effort to expose
the Hirsig Lie generated by Symonds and Hirsig's
family, (i.e. that she died in '51, whereas she in
fact lived till '75).  This effort worked; and so,
consequently, I am much more optimistic this time
round, especially since, as already stated, I have
indeed seen this Blavatsky letter.  It remains for me
to locate it, to verify this assertion that, unlikely
as it seems at first glance, Madame Blavatsky was
actually the Magical Mother of 666.

Love 777





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> Oriens Left Upper Point
> Ariton Right Upper Point
> Paimon Right Lower Point
> Amaimon Left Lower Point
>
> because that association is not compatible
> with adequate elements according 2
> endnote no5 of the same liber 777

They follow the celestial elemental attributions as found in the
Lesser hexagram ritual as opposed to the terrestrial ones found in the
Lesser Pentagram ritual.  The original attributions are derived from
Robert Fludd's + diagram, which can be found in Robert Fludd: Hermetic
Philosopher and Surveyor of 2 Worlds edt.by Joscelyn Godwin

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With HB's assumption of the "Caliphate" of OTO came the release of
excellent edited editions of many of AC's writings. The last of these,
was the reconstruction of _The General Principles of Astrology _ in
2002. There s still lots of stuff crying out for release, including
thereconstructed Equinox II.2 including _The Gospel According to St.
Bernard Shaw_ ("Crowley on Christ"), the reconstructioin of an AC _I
Ching_ (not just the little booklet), unexpurgated editions of MWT and
the _Confessions_, and I don't know what all. ISTM that there was even
an informal poll put out to the  membership in the mid-90s as to what
projects should be prioritized. Does anyone know what projects, if
any, are in the pipes at this time?

Thanks -- Agape!

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

It was the week of Aleister Crowley's birth, and
Madame
Blavatsky was to attend a meeting of The Theosophical
Society, an occult Society also in the stage of being
newly born.  However, the Master Serapis, a
discarnate magical Entity of the Great White
Brotherhood, sent the following message to Col.
Olcott, insisting on postponement of the meeting owing
to Madame Blavatsky. She had, the Master insisted, "a
labour to perform". This is extraordinary, given that
this was the week of Crowley's nativity. How do we
know? Because the meeting postponed was rescheduled
and actually held, per the Master Serapis' instruction
in the Ablanathalba Letter, the following Saturday,
which was October 16th, 1875. (C.f. below)


Here is the content of the letter itself, dictated by
Serapis to Olcott, in 1875:

"I pray thee, Brother mine, to take necessary
steps to adjourn the meeting until Saturday
[Oct 16] which will be. Sister [Blavatsky]
has a labour to perform. Be friendly to the
English seer, Emma [Emma Hardinge Britten,
author of ART MAGIC, at whose house the Oct 16
meeting was held], for she is a noble woman
and her soul hath many gems hidden within it.
Begin not without our Sister [Blavatsky]. --Unto
the regions of Light I send for thee my prayer.

SERAPIS"


On the reverse side of the letter, one finds a curious
sentence in Latin, which closes with three words
written in Greek:


"Sub pretextu juris summum jus saepe summa injuria,
Frater; suaviter in modo, fortiter in re. Tantaene
animis coelestibus aut vere adepti IRAE?

"In Nomine

"ABLANATHALBA [in Greek]

"SEMES EILAM." [in Greek]


Translation: "Under the pretext of justice, a strict
application of law is often the gravest injury,
Brother. Be gentle in manner though resolute in
execution. Can such Wrath towards divine souls befit
one fully adept? In the Name of Ablanathalba Semes
Eilam."


About Ablanathalba, HPB writes:

"A term similar to "Abrac[h]adabra". It is said by
C.W.King to have meant "thou art a father to us"; it
reads the same from either end and was used as a charm
in Egypt. Abracadabra is explained in this manner:


"The word "Abracadabra" is a later corruption of
the sacred Gnostic term "Abrasax", the latter itself
being a still earlier corruption of a sacred and
ancient Coptic or Egyptian word: a magic formula which
meant in its symbolism "Hurt me not", and addressed
the deity in its hieroglyphics as "Father". It was
generally attached to an amulet or charm and worn as a
TAT, on the breast under the garments."


All editorial brackets Aleisterion's. The "c" in
"Abracadabra" above is in Hebrew "ch", which Crowley
interprets as a blind for "h".


Here is the link to an explanation of the words SEMES
EILAM (SEMES, shemesh, sun, and EILAM, olam, occult or
hidden):

http://www.experiencefestival.com/emblem


And here is a further link for a definition of the
magical word Ablanathalba:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/ABRACADABRA_ABRAHADABRA/id/191967

It is of note that the Master Serapis asserts that, at
the time of the birth of the Prophet, Madame Blavatsky
had "a labour to perform", and the message is sealed
with an ancient Gnostic Seal of Magick, central to
which is a magical formula (Ablanathalba) which is
everywhere identified with the Word of the New Aeon,
Abrahadabra, the Word of the Prophet being born. It
is then verified, this magical message which I (Frater
Aleisterion) received from the Five White Brothers of
ABA (and Their Head):

"H P B was the Magical Mother of The Beast 666."


References:

Title: H.P.BLAVATSKY, TIBET AND TULKU/ by Geoffrey
A.Barboka,

Publisher: Madra, Theosophical Publishing House, 1966

xxiii, 476 p.


"Love is the law, love under will."


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93 All,

Liber 25 the Star Ruby by Crowley gives an examle of a banishing
ritual. But in analysis i was looking for the (correct) or advice with
personal experience from practising magicians, as to how the magician
experiences the signs of N.O.X.

Personally there is for me a sense of my self withdrawing from the
plane of Assiah being whirled up the tree  during the signs (so to
speak) to be anihilated in Kether then reborn with the last sign-Afesh
clean-purified with a feeling of balance.? The formula itself- isn't
it a form of Tetragrammaton?

What do others  experience?

Regards

Bagheera444

>
>
> Liber 25 the Star Ruby by Crowley gives an examle of a banishing
> ritual. But in analysis i was looking for the (correct) or advice with
> personal experience from practising magicians, as to how the magician
> experiences the signs of N.O.X.
>
> Personally there is for me a sense of my self withdrawing from the
> plane of Assiah being whirled up the tree during the signs (so to
> speak) to be anihilated in Kether then reborn with the last sign-Afesh
> clean-purified with a feeling of balance.? The formula itself- isn't
> it a form of Tetragrammaton?

  I couldn't tell ya about the Tetragrammaton as I use AMEN as the
Tetragrammaton, Air, Water, Earth, Fire. See yer A.'.A.'. instructor or do
some independent research on the word outside of the Hebrew meaning.
  To me the Nox Signs represent the transdimensional experience of being a
Babe of the Abyss born into the Order of the S.S. (NOT the Silver Star) as a
Master of the Temple, renewed and fortified, suckling at the breast of
Babalon-Nuit. The LVX signs represent the previous grades of the RC while
the sign of the Enterer and Silence represent the back and forth energies of
the GD order. Very profound and when using certain key words it becomes even
more interesting but on that point I must digress due to Oaths in the August
body of the A.'.A.'.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

93 Frater Uranus

Thanks for youre thoughts on N.O.X but i thought by definition the self passes
through that night of Pan (so to speak) and doesn't linger therein (The Abyss).
Though it it may be a transdimensional experience i doubt i am a Babe of the
Abyss reborn in the city of the Pyramids. It sounsd like you associate N.O.X
with  a master of the temple. The formula might encounter that pylon along the
way but the final resting place i thought was back on Malkuth(Assiah). as a babe
being suckled by its mother. Is that right?

I was hoping to understand the formula a little more firmly. Perhaps the
Tetragrammaton  formual is wrong, maybe it should be Pentagrammaton. The Shin 
represents  spirit which moves through  I.H.V.H (Jeheshuah)  coresponding  with
the 5 signs of N.O.X.
But the sense or mental attitude is  abstract and personal. This withdrawing of 
force,night, of  desolution. To  me hard to put my own words on the experinece .
It is this part I was looking for input on- from those who had experimented with
Liber 25 (Star Ruby).

Hoor Pa Kraat and Ra Hoor Khuit as far as i know (correct me if i'm wrong),  is
another formula. As are the L.V.X. signs and may assist me to understand counter
balance in force.
But  it was  the  critical analysis of N.O.X.

I'm not in the Golden Dawn or any Order. So i don't relate to your spiritualy
elite statements about "very profound" and,"key words".

You imply  your in the A.'.A.'. so, assuming i'm not- why not couch your terms
in a way that I would be able to understand. A tad arrogant don't you think  on
your part.   If membership is secret in an  "august body" like A.'.A.'.then
your've just told everyone your a member.... Pretty spooky!
Isn't that a breach of conduct or something?

Besides I'm not on speaking terms with any A.'.A .'.(what-ever the lieneage)
members, to my knowledge, so i cannot consult with my  "instructor! as you
pointed out! So if you take the G.'.D.'. the A.'.A.'. out of the equation of
what N.O.X is then i might understand!

Kind Regards
Bagheera444










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Do whatever you want = the whole of the law.

Frater Uranus <frater.uranus@g...> wrote:

>  I couldn't tell ya about the Tetragrammaton as I use AMEN as the
> Tetragrammaton, Air, Water, Earth, Fire.

   I'm curious if you use AMEN to signify the four elements due to
statements made in verse II:49 of TBOTL:

   II:49 I am unique & conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish.
Be they damned & dead! Amen. (This is of the 4: there is a fifth who
is invisible, & therein am I as a babe in an egg.)

   I consider verse II:49 a fine example of how the author of TBOTL
deliberately uses ambiguous pseudo-religious symbolism and
terminology to deceive readers whose views are bound up in religious
preconceptions. Analysis shows the word AMEN does not correspond with
the four elements:

A = Aleph = Air
M = Mem = Water
E = Heh = Aries/Aquarius = Fire/Air (the Crowleyan switch)
N = Nun = Scorpio = Water

As shown, the element of earth is not represented. Further analysis
reveals the Egyptian god Amen was known as *the invisible one*, and
the use of his name by Hadit was a likely means for invoking the god
and assuming Amen's power of invisibility--a standard facet of
Egyptian magic.

When the author said *This is of the 4*, he meant it literally:

T = Teth = Leo = Fire
H = Cheth = Cancer = Water
I = Yod = Virgo = Earth
S = Samech = Gemini = Air

Note how the four signs attributed to the word THIS appear
concurrently in the Zodiac.


Prophet of L

http://www.hakela.com

Hi,

Did anyone hear about some OTO documents coming from Russia?  Also, is
the OTO currently limiting membership in the USA>

Dr. C Melendez
Anubis

>T = Teth = Leo = Fire
H = Cheth = Cancer = Water
I = Yod = Virgo = Earth
S = Samech = Gemini = Air

How are you reckoning Samech for Gemini = Air?

>Note how the four signs attributed to the word THIS appear
concurrently in the Zodiac.

What do you mean by "concurrently" in this context?














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93,

>Did anyone hear about some OTO documents coming from Russia?

Historic or contemporary with the present?  Some of the OTO local group web
sites in Russia are putting up text.  I just received another inquiry
today, regarding translation of some of my stuff.

>Also, is
>the OTO currently limiting membership in the USA>

No, just the usual "free, of full age and of good report" standard.  OTO
membership is otherwise open to all commers, as it has been since the 1970's.

93 93/93
Bill Heidrick

--- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, "eyeofhoor" <owner@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Do whatever you want = the whole of the law.
>
> Frater Uranus <frater.uranus@g...> wrote:
>
> >  I couldn't tell ya about the Tetragrammaton as I use AMEN as the
> > Tetragrammaton, Air, Water, Earth, Fire.
>
>   I'm curious if you use AMEN to signify the four elements due to
> statements made in verse II:49 of TBOTL:
>
>   II:49 I am unique & conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish.
> Be they damned & dead! Amen. (This is of the 4: there is a fifth who
> is invisible, & therein am I as a babe in an egg.)
>
>   I consider verse II:49 a fine example of how the author of TBOTL
> deliberately uses ambiguous pseudo-religious symbolism and
> terminology to deceive readers whose views are bound up in religious
> preconceptions. Analysis shows the word AMEN does not correspond with
> the four elements:
>
> A = Aleph = Air
> M = Mem = Water
> E = Heh = Aries/Aquarius = Fire/Air (the Crowleyan switch)
> N = Nun = Scorpio = Water
>
> As shown, the element of earth is not represented.
> Prophet of L
>
> http://www.hakela.com
>

Do what thou wilt

Amen = Alef Mem Nun final = 1 + 40 + 700 = 741
741 = Alef + Mem + Shin + Tau = 1 + 40 + 300 + 400

So Amen as the Hebrew word AMN, spelled and calculated as Nun final
equals the same number as the letters of the four Elements.

Love is the Law
RLG

93

>Did anyone hear about some OTO documents coming from Russia?

O.T.O in Russia can be found here:

http://oto.ru/cgi-bin/toc.pl?&mainpage.val

>Also, is
the OTO currently limiting membership in the USA>

http://www.oto-usa.org/intl.html

provides the complete scope of O.T.O.'s International presence.

93:93\93

Jones


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> Do what thou wilt
>
> Amen = Alef Mem Nun final = 1 + 40 + 700 = 741
> 741 = Alef + Mem + Shin + Tau = 1 + 40 + 300 + 400
>
> So Amen as the Hebrew word AMN, spelled and calculated as Nun final
> equals the same number as the letters of the four Elements.
>
> Love is the Law
> RLG


A wink, a nudge and a Hallalujah! Now think of it as formula for
initiation...

Jason


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[to the tune from the Singing Brakeman, Jimmie Rodgers]

	 T for Texas

commentary: Univ of TX?

	 T for Tennessee

commentary: McMinville?

	 T for Texas
	 T for Tennessee
and
	 T for ThELeMA
	 The cult that made a wreck out of me!

commentary: k00ky order (+yodelling)

	 Gonna buy me a pistol just as long as I am tall

commentary: martial, a 'measure' for the slaying weapon (+yodelling)

	 Gonna buy me a pistol just as long as I am tall

	 I'm gonna shoot poor ThELeMA just to see Her fall.

commentary: Agape abandoned, time to shoot the True Will. (:

333

I wrote:

> >T = Teth = Leo = Fire
> H = Cheth = Cancer = Water
> I = Yod = Virgo = Earth
> S = Samech = Gemini = Air

   David Jones <choronzon.club@g...> wrote:

> How are you reckoning Samech for Gemini = Air?

   There's a mistake in the last line, it should read Zain instead of
Samech. I would have caught it sooner but my post languished in
cyberspace for three weeks.

>
> >Note how the four signs attributed to the word THIS appear
> concurrently in the Zodiac.
>
> What do you mean by "concurrently" in this context?

   As in the combined zodiacal signs consisting of a section of the
zodiacal wheel--the four elements.


   Prophet of L

   http://www.hakela.com

93



> > >T = Teth = Leo = Fire
> > H = Cheth = Cancer = Water
> > I = Yod = Virgo = Earth
> > S = Samech = Gemini = Air
>
>   David Jones <choronzon.club@g...> wrote:
>
> > How are you reckoning Samech for Gemini = Air?
>
>   There's a mistake in the last line, it should read Zain instead of
> Samech. I would have caught it sooner but my post languished in
> cyberspace for three weeks.



OK Zain is never sounded as an S so this is a pretty big stretch Thiz?  I
mean if you compare the Septuagint renderings of place names Zain is always
a z sound across the Semitic Indo European line.  Samech is certainly an S
which is why the above would be appealing if it worked, which it doesn't
seem to.

>
> > >Note how the four signs attributed to the word THIS appear
> > concurrently in the Zodiac.
> >
> > What do you mean by "concurrently" in this context?
>
>   As in the combined zodiacal signs consisting of a section of the
> zodiacal wheel--the four elements.



I'm still lost sorry. The section of the Zodical wheel that starts at Leo
goes Leo > Virgo > Libra > Scorpio, if you go backwards you get Leo < Cancer
< Gemini < Taurus neither fits the model you are proposing unless I am
missing something here. If you are simply saying you can get 4 elements then
I'm not sure concurrently is a very good term here.


>   Prophet of L
>
>   http://www.hakela.com



Interesting site, is there reason you have piced the black on blue for the
text sections; it is virtually unreadable.  There are sets of combinations
for standard readability (white on green being the easiest) and you have
chosen one of the lowest combinations.

Love Jones


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93

> > > >T = Teth = Leo = Fire
> > > H = Cheth = Cancer = Water
> > > I = Yod = Virgo = Earth
> > > S = Samech = Gemini = Air

> >   As in the combined zodiacal signs consisting of a section of the
> > zodiacal wheel--the four elements.

  If you are simply saying you can get 4 elements then
> I'm not sure concurrently is a very good term here.

Wait I think I see, Gemini > Cancer > Leo > Virgo.

Love Jones

I just wanted to say hello to everyone.  I was raised Catholic and
never connected with the religion.  I have been lurking and reading
posts on here and other forums and this highly interests me.  If
anyone has reading material they can suggest, I would appreciate it.
Linda

>>Dissertation on the Hebrew Roots, SEE pg. 150-52


Looks like Greenberg didn't invent the mass comparison method after
all.


--- In substratumlanguages@yahoogroups.com, "kat_kher_na"
<kat_kher_na@y...> wrote:
>
> Greetings and Blessings,
>
> You are invited to now read on line the book,
>
> "A Dissertation on the Hebrew Roots,
> Intended to point out their extensive influence on all known
Languages."
>
> by the late
> Rev. Alex. Pirie of Newburgh
>
>
>
> The book will be found @
http://www.blackcrescent.org/w3_HR_001a.html
>
> Enjoy!
>

93
please archive the following information
93 93/93

servant729@...

is the sole author of the following document. He would appreciate
being notified of any breaches of copyright that may be suspected by
any good Thelemite.

thank you for your time (document text follows)...

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The following contains the most initiated interpretation of sex-
magick, understood as that species of it particularly practised by
the O.T.O., that has ever been made publicly available. There are a
great number of diverse and specific terms normally used when
speaking of sex-magick, such as lion and eagle. In what follows
these terms have not been used, instead an abstract and general
sense is created for the benefit of as wide a dissemination of ideas
as possible.

It must first be realised that sex-magick involves a far greater
difficulty than making a wish when you orgasm. It requires a
discipline that exceeds by bounds the idea that you simply need to
keep your mind focused on the objective of the operation all through
the sex act and then consume the semen so charged.

  * The first principle of sex-magick is redirection of existing
forces.

These forces are understood as follows. There is an energy
associated with the act of the creation of life. In Jewish symbols
it is this force which animates the clay, or simply turns otherwise
dead matter into a living being with a soul. It is the opposite of,
and balancing force to, entropy. This is why O.T.O. sex-magick is
very different to other sex based systems which seek retention of
semen or reabsorption of the energy associated therewith. O.T.O. sex-
magick is based upon creation and therefore necessitates release or
projection, not a prevention or short-circuit which naturally occurs
at a much earlier stage of the sex act and involves completely
different principles. Hence the redirection involved in O.T.O. sex-
magick involves effect, not cause.

* The second principle of sex-magick is the creation of an
alternative receptacle.

The normal receptacle would be a host of sperm with the ability to
comport life to a receptive ovum. In the case of sex-magick that
same host of sperm carry a different encoding of energy than the
creation of physical life. This is why correctly redirected sperm
can not lead to ordinary impregnation. Thus the life-force must be
diverted from its normal course and so instead become the animating
force of something else. This `something else' is the alternative
receptacle.

Plastic should be understood as meaning `able to be moulded or
manipulated, giving form or shape to a substance, easily influenced,
impressionable'. Medium should be understood as meaning `an
intervening substance through which something else is transmitted or
carried on, an agency by which something is accomplished, conveyed,
or transferred'. Co-opting the life-force requires a plastic medium
capable of its reception. Mere imagination is not so capable. The
most common word used in the English language to denote such a
plastic medium is `astral'.

Through the sex-act energy is attracted and raised until sufficient
to imbue sperm with the ability to create life. As an aside, note
that any human created by DNA splitting without the use of sperm
ejaculated from a living male is necessarily soulless. The magician
imposes intent upon this energy attraction phase to animate the
alternate receptacle through redirection. The process whereby the
sperm are energetically activated with the attractive force for life
is readily and distinctly perceptible with practise. Correctly
imposing intent upon this energy and redirecting it to an
alternative receptacle constructed of a plastic medium is
unmistakable, and simply occurs as factual when one becomes adept.
This is the difference between the `creation of a bud-will' and
simple `willed thought while building to orgasm'.

* The third principle of sex-magick is the successful absorption of
the alternative creation.

This is both a physical and `astral' act which is contrary to most
current practise. Failure at this stage allows liberty to operate
within the creation as is appropriate to the nature of the original
force but contrary, in most cases, to the specific redirection
associated with the intent as conceived. Without success here
results cannot be predicted. There is also a very little known
macrocosmic aspect to this phase which differs quite radically from
the clearly microcosmic focus of the above.

The first, second and third principles are the provenance of the
seventh, eighth and ninth degree respectively of the O.T.O. It is
easily seen that it is only the successful eighth degree who
requires the protection the ninth affords. Macrocosmic functions
only concern a properly operative O.H.O. and his bound tenth degrees.

I note the following in conclusion. The difference between a solo
sex-magick act and that done with a partner is the determining
factor of the quality and type of energy made available to the
operator. Otherwise the principles are universal is scope. The only
necessary element in a sex-magick operation is the release of
energised sperm from a living male, any other detail should be
referred to the comments in this paragraph immediately above. Its
sufficiency relates solely to intentional scope. No currently
formulated recension of O.T.O. has a Sanctuary formally guarded and
constituted by these principles of which their claimants appear to
understand little.

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