93, ... I didn't -- you brought it up in order to disagree with me about a point I hadn't made, and I pointed out that I hadn't said anything about the OHO...
16039
henriebenholt
Feb 1, 2005 10:55 am
... Go reread the letter I originally replied to and you will see it was you who brought it up and I who called you on it. ... How so? There exist no such...
16040
Robert Furtkamp
rfurtkamp
Feb 1, 2005 11:20 am
I've been reading the bitching about folks contending that their pet dog should be the head of the O.T.O. or whatnot, and discounting the never-ending...
16041
henriebenholt
Feb 1, 2005 11:21 am
... Why then address this as if I was wrong in a reply to my post? ... Jones never attended the conferance and thought as the correspondence between him and...
16042
prkoenig2001
Feb 1, 2005 11:21 am
... in ... that point. ... reuss never suffered a stroke. he lived in Munich where he became an employee of the municipal travel agency. He still held his...
16043
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 1, 2005 12:10 pm
93, ... I refer the right honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago: "The only point I made was that David R. Jones was wrong to say that there...
16044
prkoenig2001
Feb 2, 2005 1:52 am
... dear robert main question is: what is the price? a divine reality, a realm within this world here, which is only a sort of shadow world? the matter is...
16045
camlion@...
camlionus
Feb 2, 2005 3:59 am
In a message dated 02/01/2005 5:58:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, ... 93 Herr Koenig, If I may intrude for a moment, I believe that you have inadvertently...
16046
prkoenig2001
Feb 2, 2005 5:40 am
... OTO." That ... it exists ... "That OTO...."? you speak about the New 'Caliphate'? it is ONE OTO among others. it is the most bureaucratic version that uses...
16047
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 2, 2005 8:42 am
93, ... I was recently reminded of Crowley's "Account of A.'.A.'." in this regard: "As soon as external societies wish to transform a temple of wisdom into a...
16048
Frater Uranus
protonik2000
Feb 3, 2005 3:59 am
... Something rather intriguing to bring up, not just ont he OTO, but also as regards the A.'.A.'. How does one define politics in regards to this quote? Does...
16049
Avalon Qadosh
qadosh@...
Feb 3, 2005 5:30 am
... That's one reason why I like Masonry. There is a strict code of ethics which forbids the discussion of politics or religion within the lodge and that even...
16050
henriebenholt
Feb 3, 2005 5:30 am
There have been a lot of talk about Crowley advising Germer to change the structure of the O.T.O., which is true, but to what extent and in what direction?...
16051
prkoenig2001
Feb 3, 2005 12:28 pm
... this is not true. Metzger's OTO in switzerland fullfilled all this already in the 1950s. moreover, Metzger continued Reuss' and Crowley's attempt to digest...
16052
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 3, 2005 3:19 pm
93, ... My personal interpretation of that quote is that it doesn't speak against social interaction, but rather it makes the point that the spirit of wisdom...
16053
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 3, 2005 3:51 pm
93, ... Thanks for digging out the full quote from this letter. Where did you find it? ... Well, the Albion O.T.O. is definitely attempting to do so, for...
16054
Frater Uranus
protonik2000
Feb 3, 2005 4:13 pm
Frater, a very well written and thought out post. You present a very strong arguement on all fronts. More below. As it turned out the O.T.O. turned around and...
16055
camlion@...
camlionus
Feb 3, 2005 5:36 pm
93 Herr Koenig, In a message dated 02/01/2005 9:43:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, ... Yes, when it first occurred to me to look about for OTO out of curiosity, ...
16056
camlion@...
camlionus
Feb 3, 2005 5:44 pm
93 Ian, In a message dated 02/02/2005 12:43:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, ... A.'.A.'. would be an entirely different can of lion-serpents from OTO, with a ...
16057
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 3, 2005 6:08 pm
93, ... OTO, with a ... What is, then, a Sanctuary? 93 93/93 Ian...
16058
henriebenholt
Feb 3, 2005 8:53 pm
Thank you for your kind comments. ... Then your understanding is wrong in so far as the eigth degree is concerned. The VIIth is fleshed out using among other...
16059
henriebenholt
Feb 3, 2005 8:53 pm
... I received a copy of it from the person who copied it out from the archives of Kenneth Grant. It is not the full letter btw only those parts that deals...
16060
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 4, 2005 12:04 am
93, ... I have only seen one reference to a "social order", in a diary note (March 1942) summarising his letter to Karl Germer: "Saturnus residuary legatee &...
16061
henriebenholt
Feb 4, 2005 2:18 am
... Then I suggest you read his correspondence with Charles S. Jones where he describes writing these libris and the rituals and how they are woven into each...
16062
prkoenig2001
Feb 4, 2005 6:14 am
... membership, ... metzger's OTO always accepted new members. i have met several of them. they look and behave extremely serious. and the man supposedly to ...
16063
camlion@...
camlionus
Feb 4, 2005 5:33 pm
93 Herr Koenig, In a message dated 02/03/2005 10:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, ... Thank you for the reply. I may not have made my question perfectly clear,...
16064
333
nigris333
Feb 4, 2005 8:16 pm
camlion: #> initially, McMurtry referred to "his" OTO as "Aleister Crowley's #> OTO." That is adequate identification for me. It makes the point. #> That OTO,...
16065
Frater Uranus
protonik2000
Feb 4, 2005 8:48 pm
... When an arguement is well played, it deserves compliment and I agree with you assertations. ... Can you provide a URL or is it top secret information? :)...
16066
henriebenholt
Feb 4, 2005 10:37 pm
... Germer left Crowley when Crowley started to not be content with Germer's money as fuelling his grandiouse scheems but also insisted that the savings of his...
16067
Ian Rons
ianrons
Feb 4, 2005 11:03 pm
93 henriebenholt, Re: your earlier posts on this topic, and to the Crowley-Germer letter which you excerpted in ...
