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JGraeb@...:
> ...The OTO currently has a policy that a member cannot be
> advanced to V* if they are a member of a banned order. At
> the present time, this provision is being used in a very
> limited way, and few organizations are "Banned", although
> this requirement is not in any Crowley material, and I fear
> that in the future it may be misused.

from where did you learn of this "policy"? why might Brother
Heidrick not know of it or wish to keep it a secret from us?
(more about that below)

> ...In a 1998 Magickal Link, I think, it was announced that
> the Motta A;A: was the "legitimate" A; A:....

you must be talking about Hymenaeus Beta's editorial
providing a negative review of "Liber Vesta" (in
a new edition of Equinox IV (1): 'Commentaries on the
Holy Books and Other Papers') where he says of the
Temple of Thelema:

[It is] an occult group in Los
Angeles founded comparatively
recently by a resigned O.T.O.
officer. It purports to act as
a training group for the A.'.A.'.
and seeks to foster the erroneous
notion of A.'.A.'. "lineages," as
they reject the traditional
authority of the Order. Readers
will have to judge the validity
of this claim for themselves;
what follows may help.

Beta explains how the review of "Liber Vesta"
in "Black Pearl" was seriously mistaken as to
its criticism of the designs of the robes of
"'each A.'.A.'. grade'" when it concluded
that they "'do not at all match those which
have come down to us from the A.'.A.'.'s
founders" and that "'they do not even distantly
resemble the many published photographs of A.'.A.'.
robes which embellish Crowley's writings.'"

Beta notes that "the Crowley-Jane Wolfe..., letters
are in the O.T.O. Archives and make no mention of
substantive A.'.A.'. matters."

[all quotes from "The Magical Link", New Series
No. 2; Spring-Fall 1998 E.V., within "Consider
the Source", Hymenaeus Beta, p. 10. ]

is this a symptom of the AA conspiracy or is it
some kind of peculiar rivalry blown into a gross
misunderstandings?

> I am simply suggesting full religious freedom in OTO..
> That is, any OTO member can belong (or not belong) to
> any A:. A:.

does it matter that Officers like Brother Heidrick are
maintaining the contrary in public? here, let me quote
from the T93-L Hollyfeld Archive (May/June/July soon available! :>):

Brother "Kalil 93" <kalil93@...>:
#># ...Until now, the OTO (USA) has always been an outer extension
#># for many, varied lineages of the AA which have co-existed
#># within its ranks. At this time, thanks to Bro Cornelius,
#># Frater HB has "come out" and clearly stated that no longer
#># will Any Other AA be tolerated within the OTO.

#># This is the "difference" that is occurring now. HB is forcibly
#># eliminating Grady McMurtry's lineage from the Order by
#># expelling Frater Achad Osher on trumped-up OTO charges which
#># normally would have been fraternally handled behind the scenes,
#># again I stress as of true brother with true brother.
#>#
#># Furthermore, as of this past April HB's words imply that if
#># any other AA lineage speaks up and openly declares itself
#># within the OTO then they will share the same fate.

333 to Brother Heidrick:
#> 1) has HBeta proclaimed that other A.'.A.'. than [the one with which
#> he may be affiliated] will not be tolerated within the OTO of which
#> he is Frater Superior? also, [has he] said that if any other A.'.A.'.
#> lineage openly declares itself within OTO that they will be expelled
#> from membership?

Brother Heidrick <heidrick@...>:
# ...HBeta, on behalf of OTO, recognizes A.'.A.'. for practical
# purposes.
#
# There are many OTO members, some of IXth degree, who have no
# participation in the A.'.A.'. recognized as noted above, but i
# to other groups or concepts identified by them as A.'.A.'.
#
# The A.'.A.'. recognized by HBeta for OTO external purposes includes
# multiple "lineages" -- in the sense of lines of descent from various
# individuals and Liber 185 documents. Some vest through Motta, some
# Wolfe, some McMurtry etc. In the sense of A.'.A.'. separate
# entities, there is no notion of lineage. Nobody will be expelled
# or have promotion adversely affected for having a different opinion
# regarding A.'.A.'. or a diffrent A.'.A.'. alleged affiliation. In
# like manner, OTO has no influence on A.'.A.'. selection, rejection
# or expulsion of A.'.A.. members.
#
#> 2) if so, is it likely that this will come to pass?
#
# Not so and no.


333 to Kalil:
#># are you saying that Brother Heidrick is misinformed,
#># or lying to cover up some sort of inter-order conspiracy?

Kalil:
#> Bill Heidrick lied when he told you "Nobody will be expelled
#> or have promotion adversely affected for having a different
#> opinion regarding A.'.A.'. or a diffrent A.'.A.'. alleged
#> affiliation."

Heidrick:
# No. The OHO has just in the last 24 hours reitterated the
# same to about half a dozen members of the Supreme Sanctuary.
# He did that independtly of my remarks to Nigris and without
# any prompting or request from me, which remarks he apparently
# has not yet seen. Frankly, they were too trivial to bring
# to his attention.

------------------------------- archive quote ends ------------

so do you agree with Kalil in claiming that Heidrick lied,
and can you explain his deception? is he a part of the
AA of which Beta is also part? perhaps this would give him
incentive to support Beta in the oustings?

> or other organization as he or she wishes.

we are completely agreed, I'm trying to get to the
bottom of the contentions about the AA rivalry,
which, if true, I would consider ridiculous.

> ...I suppose that I am aware of A:.A:. claims that have
> allegedly lead to threats of lawsuits against senior
> members....

could you please elaborate on this?

thank you,

blessed beast!
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