Hello Diana,

Did you see that Mrs.Clinton Has this same Dheneb on her MC?
I wonder what it means for her ??

But I am not sure if the birth time I have is right ...
16th Oct 1947,
20.00 hrs ( 8 pm )
in Chicago.ILl.

Gaby

--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
<fixed.stars@...> wrote:
>
> Gaby wrote
>
> Another interesting thing, I read the map of a man, who has Deneb
> conjunct his Jupiter, and Chiron in the second house.
> I asked him if he had been bitten by dogs in his childhood.
> Well well  he was so shocked ! how did you know ? he asked ?
> He was bitten, and today at the age of 46 he has a " dog issue "and
> trauma, would not go close to dogs, or let his children have one at
> home !!
> Imazing !
>
> Gaby
> =================
> How did you get dog bites from Deneb and Chiron in 2nd?
>
> And which Deneb?
>
> Love, Diana
>
>
> Website: http://ye-stars.com
>

Gaby and Mark sent

1c. Re: Deneb - dogs?
    Posted by: "Mark Andrew Holmes" mahtezcatpoc@... mahtezcatpoc
    Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:28 am ((PST))

--- Gaby Mittleman <gabymitt@...> wrote:

> Hi Diana,
>
> It's Deneb Alpha Cygni .- this is what my software gives ( ZET )
>
> Conj.to my client's Chiron and Jupiter,in the second house in Pisces.

Deneb, Deneb Adige = Alpha Cygni.

Dheneb (with an "h"), Deneb Okab = Zeta Aquilae.

Adding the astronomical designations (Bayer, Flamsteed, Argelander, catalog numbers) like I do helps keep them all straight, too.

Mark A. Holmes

=============
Deneb (aka Dheneb) means tail, and there are several: you mentioned Deneb Adige, Alpha Cygni, the Swan's tail,
and Deneb or Dheneb Okab, Zeta Aquilae, the Eagle's tail, but Epsilon Aquilae is also in the Eagle's tail, and I have it as Al Dhanab al Okab (just to distinguish it from Zeta); then there's Deneb Kaitos, Beta Ceti, the Sea-Monster's tail (and another of his tail stars is Eta, sometimes called Deneb Algenubi; and Deneb Algedi, the Sea-Goat's tail, and of course Denebola, Beta Leonis, the Lion's tail...all very confusing!

But Gaby - you didn't answer my question - how did you relate the Swan's tail to dog bites? Or did I misunderstand?

Love, Diana

And here comes Mr Obama, too with Dheneb/Chiron conjunction in the
first house.....

hugs Gaby

--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
<fixed.stars@...> wrote:
>
> Gaby wrote
>
> Another interesting thing, I read the map of a man, who has Deneb
> conjunct his Jupiter, and Chiron in the second house.
> I asked him if he had been bitten by dogs in his childhood.
> Well well  he was so shocked ! how did you know ? he asked ?
> He was bitten, and today at the age of 46 he has a " dog issue "and
> trauma, would not go close to dogs, or let his children have one at
> home !!
> Imazing !
>
> Gaby
> =================
> How did you get dog bites from Deneb and Chiron in 2nd?
>
> And which Deneb?
>
> Love, Diana
>
>
> Website: http://ye-stars.com
>

Diana,

It was the interpretation of my software, relating Deneb to dog bites,
I just went along with it, and thought ,what can I loose? I shall ask
him , humorously if it is true, that he had been bitten by dog or
dogs in his childhood, and he was !
The childhood - was important because of the placement of the star,
his point of age of 6-7 was on Deneb, so if anything happened then it
happened at this age.
And he confirmed it , having a trauma until today, not letting his
kids have a dog,inspite of the thing that he KNOWS that he could be
healed if he had one.

Another interesting thing is, that the wife too had a trauma, but not
because of dogs, but of lamb ! Her father used to bring home small
ones, bread them, and then eat them... So until today she cannot
think of eating lamb ! and she too has Deneb conj.her Sun  and Chiron
in the 6th house.

Any star signifying lambs ??

Gaby



--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
<fixed.stars@...> wrote:
>
> Gaby and Mark sent
>
> 1c. Re: Deneb - dogs?
>     Posted by: "Mark Andrew Holmes" mahtezcatpoc@... mahtezcatpoc
>     Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:28 am ((PST))
>
> --- Gaby Mittleman <gabymitt@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Diana,
> >
> > It's Deneb Alpha Cygni .- this is what my software gives ( ZET )
> >
> > Conj.to my client's Chiron and Jupiter,in the second house in
Pisces.
>
>
> Deneb, Deneb Adige = Alpha Cygni.
>
> Dheneb (with an "h"), Deneb Okab = Zeta Aquilae.
>
> Adding the astronomical designations (Bayer, Flamsteed, Argelander,
catalog
> numbers) like I do helps keep them all straight, too.
>
> Mark A. Holmes
>
> =============
> Deneb (aka Dheneb) means tail, and there are several: you mentioned
Deneb
> Adige, Alpha Cygni, the Swan's tail,
> and Deneb or Dheneb Okab, Zeta Aquilae, the Eagle's tail, but
Epsilon
> Aquilae is also in the Eagle's tail, and I have it as Al Dhanab al
Okab
> (just to distinguish it from Zeta); then there's Deneb Kaitos, Beta
Ceti,
> the Sea-Monster's tail (and another of his tail stars is Eta,
sometimes
> called Deneb Algenubi; and Deneb Algedi, the Sea-Goat's tail, and
of course
> Denebola, Beta Leonis, the Lion's tail...all very confusing!
>
> But Gaby - you didn't answer my question - how did you relate the
Swan's
> tail to dog bites? Or did I misunderstand?
>
> Love, Diana
>

--- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@...> wrote:

> Gaby and Mark sent
>
> 1c. Re: Deneb - dogs?
>     Posted by: "Mark Andrew Holmes"
> mahtezcatpoc@... mahtezcatpoc
>     Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:28 am ((PST))
>
> --- Gaby Mittleman <gabymitt@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Diana,
> >
> > It's Deneb Alpha Cygni .- this is what my software
> gives ( ZET )
> >
> > Conj.to my client's Chiron and Jupiter,in the
> second house in Pisces.
>
>
> Deneb, Deneb Adige = Alpha Cygni.
>
> Dheneb (with an "h"), Deneb Okab = Zeta Aquilae.
>
> Adding the astronomical designations (Bayer,
> Flamsteed, Argelander, catalog
> numbers) like I do helps keep them all straight,
> too.
>
> Mark A. Holmes
>
> =============
> Deneb (aka Dheneb) means tail, and there are
> several: you mentioned Deneb
> Adige, Alpha Cygni, the Swan's tail,
> and Deneb or Dheneb Okab, Zeta Aquilae, the Eagle's
> tail, but Epsilon
> Aquilae is also in the Eagle's tail, and I have it
> as Al Dhanab al Okab
> (just to distinguish it from Zeta);

I think I have it that way, too.


then there's
> Deneb Kaitos, Beta Ceti,
> the Sea-Monster's tail (and another of his tail
> stars is Eta, sometimes
> called Deneb Algenubi; and Deneb Algedi, the
> Sea-Goat's tail, and of course
> Denebola, Beta Leonis, the Lion's tail...


Deneb Dulfim (Epsilon Delphini), the Dolphin's tail...

all very
> confusing!


And maybe there are more Denebs out there.


Mark A. Holmes


      
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--- GM <gabymitt@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello Diana,
>
> Did you see that Mrs.Clinton Has this same Dheneb on
> her MC?
> I wonder what it means for her ??
>
> But I am not sure if the birth time I have is right
> ...
> 16th Oct 1947,
> 20.00 hrs ( 8 pm )
> in Chicago.ILl.
>
> Gaby


That birth time is definitely iffy (DD Rodden rating).


Mark A. Holmes


>
> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K
> Rosenberg"
> <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
> >
> > Gaby wrote
> >
> > Another interesting thing, I read the map of a
> man, who has Deneb
> > conjunct his Jupiter, and Chiron in the second
> house.
> > I asked him if he had been bitten by dogs in his
> childhood.
> > Well well  he was so shocked ! how did you know ?
> he asked ?
> > He was bitten, and today at the age of 46 he has a
> " dog issue "and
> > trauma, would not go close to dogs, or let his
> children have one at
> > home !!
> > Imazing !
> >
> > Gaby
> > =================
> > How did you get dog bites from Deneb and Chiron in
> 2nd?
> >
> > And which Deneb?
> >
> > Love, Diana
> >
> >
> > Website: http://ye-stars.com
> >
>
>
>



      
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As of midnight GMT.

Asterisks indicate alignments that weren't there a
week ago today (with a 1 00' orb).




Jupiter



*AM Herculis (cataclysmic variable aka nova)

*Alathfar (Mu Lyrae)

AQ Mensae (cataclysmic variable)

*Nanto (Phi Sagittarii)

*Delta Scuti (variable)




Saturn



Thuban (Alpha Draconis)

Shir (Rho Leonis)

Spindle Galaxy of Sextans (NGC 3115 Sextantis)

SW Sextantis (cataclysmic variable aka nova)

Alula Boreale (Nu Ursae Majoris)

Alula Australe (Xi Ursae Majoris; has planets)

*Keenan System (NGC 5216 & 5218 Ursae Majoris;
interacting galaxies connected by a filament on the
Draco border south of Thuban. Named for the astronomer
Philip Childs Keenan [1908-2000], who noticed the
filament)

CU Velorum (cataclysmic variable)




Uranus



Psi-1 Aquarii (has planets)

Honda's Star (aka Nova Cygni 1975; V1500 Cygni, a
bright 1975 nova discovered by Minoru Honda of Japan)

Moth Nebula (Sharpless 1-89 Cygni)

RU Horologii (cataclysmic variable)

Homan (Zeta Pegasi)

HD 217107 (Piscium; has an extrasolar planet)




Neptune



LZ Aquarii (cataclysmic variable)

Nashira (Gamma Capricorni)

16 Cygni B (has planets)

S Doradus (one of the brightest known stars, in the
Large Magellanic Cloud)

Al Faras Al Thani (Lambda Equulei)

*Gruid (Beta Gruis)

Phoenicopterus (Epsilon Gruis; Grus was once known as
Phoenicopterus, the Flamingo)

*VW Hydri

TY Vulpeculae (cataclysmic variables)




Pluto



Baraka (Xi Herculis)

Ramo (95 Herculis; the Branch, which Hercules is
sometimes shown holding in his hand, sometimes
Cerberus)

Sinistra (Nu Ophiuchi)

Fellah (67 Ophiuchi)

Barnard's Star (V2500 Ophiuchi; a nearby star)

Lagoon Nebula (M-8 Sagittarii)

Trifid Nebula (M-20 Sagittarii)

Spiculum (M-8, M-20, M-21 Sagittarii; the Lagoon and
Trifid Nebulas plus the star cluster M-21)

DZ Serpentis (cataclysmic variable)




Eris



Termes Frederici (Psi Andromedae; one of the stars in
Frederici Honores, the Honors of Frederick [a crown,
quill pen, sword and olive branch]: Psi Andromedae
marks the crown)

FX Cephei

VV Cephei (cataclysmic variables)

Aquae Abyssi (Upsilon Ceti)

Revati (Zeta Piscium)

Epsilon Reticuli (has an extrasolar planet)




Ceres



*Almach (Gamma Andromedae)

*Koleon (Mu Arietis)

WX Arietis (cataclysmic variable)

*Cih (Gamma Cassiopeiae)

*Menkar (Alpha Ceti)

*Black Hole Binary (3C 75 Ceti; a pair of merging
black holes in the galaxy cluster Abell 400)

*Zibal (Zeta Eridani)




Pallas



*SS Cygni (cataclysmic variable)

*Fum al Samakah (Beta Piscium)




Juno



*Sabik (Eta Ophiuchi)

*Grafias (Zeta-2 Scorpii)

*Nova Scorpii 2007 (V1280 Scorpii)

*X-Ray Nova Scorpii 1994 (GRO J1655-40 Scorpii; a
black hole northwest of Zeta Scorpii in the Scorpion's
tail)

*Northern Jewel Box (NGC 6231 Scorpii; open cluster)

*Prawn Nebula (IC 4628 Scorpii)




Vesta



*Nashira (Gamma Capricorni)

*Blinking Planetary (NGC 6826 Cygni)

*Kitalpha (Alpha Equulei)

*Gruid (Beta Gruis)

*Polophylax (Zeta Tucanae; marks the obsolete
constellation Polophylax, the Pole Guard)




Chiron



*Albulaan Australis (Nu Aquarii)

Mo (7 Aquarii)

Saturn Nebula (NGC 7009 Aquarii)

CH Cygni (cataclysmic variable)

Hole-In-A-Cluster (NGC 6811 Cygni)

*Rotanev (Beta Delphini)

Kwa Chaou (Zeta Delphini)

Al Kaud (Eta Delphini)

*Dhanishtra (Theta Delphini)

Al Amud al Salib (Iota Delphini)

Pae Chaou (Kappa Delphini)

HD 195019 (Delphini; has planets)

Alnair (Alpha Gruis)




North Node



Gienah (Epsilon Cygni)

Propeller Nebula (MRSL 479 Cygni)

(MRSL = MRSL Comparison Catalog of H-II Regions,
authored by Pavla Marsalkova of the Stefanik
Observatory in Prague)

Cor Piscis Austrini (Beta Piscis Austrini; close to
the heart of Piscis Austrini the Southern Fish [more
like the gills, maybe])




South Node



*Cat's Eye Nebula (NGC 6543 Draconis)

Alphard (Alpha Hydrae)

Cat's Prey (I Hydrae; part of the obsolete
constellation Felis the Cat, lying under the Cat's
forepaw)

Adhafera (Zeta Leonis)

Al Jabhah (Eta Leonis)

Spider Galaxy (UGC 5829 Leonis Minoris)

Puppis A (2U 0821-42 Puppis; a supernova remnant and
intense X-ray source)

Funis (Beta Pyxidis; marks the line part of the
obsolete constellation Lochium et Funis, the Log and
Line)

Regor (Gamma Velorum)




More later.




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Hello Dears,

Does anyone have the hour of birth of Mr. McCain ??

thanks
Gaby

--- mcadler@... wrote:

>
> Gaby -
>
> This is from the Dec. 2007/Jan. 2008 The Mountain
> Astrologer, p. 87, data from an article by Pat
> Taglilatelo who? has been editor of Astrodatabank
> since Lois Rodden died in 2003.
>
>
>
> John MCcain, Aug.29, 1936, 9 AM, Coco Solo Air Base,
> Panama Canal Zone.

I had it Panama City, Panama from somebody on the
Centaurs list long ago; I'll have to go correct that.
Coco Solo is near Colon on the other side of the
Panamanian isthmus.

Coco Solo, Colon, Panama is 9N23/79W53.


Mark A. Holmes




RR is A. Mark McDonough quotes
> McCain's deputy press secretary, who had called his
> mother. Mom said, "about 9 AM." Star IQ.com quotes
> Rowena Wall for 9 AM "from two staffers in McCain's
> election office, citing the medical records. "
>
> There is also a note that a faimly friend, Frances
> Rainbolt, rectified the chart to 8:55:47 AM.
>
> It gives a chart of 17 Libra 56 rising, MD at 16
> Cancer 20, Moon at 27 Capricorn 03.
>
> Michele Adler
> www.micheleadler.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GM <gabymitt@...>
> To: thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:31 am
> Subject: [thefixedstars] John Mc Cain
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Dears,
>
> Does anyone have the hour of birth of Mr. McCain ??
>
> thanks
> Gaby



      
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Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S. Pluto (27Cap32).
Diana S.

Mark Andrew Holmes wrote:
>
>
> --- mcadler@aol. com <mailto:mcadler%40aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Gaby -
> >
> > This is from the Dec. 2007/Jan. 2008 The Mountain
> > Astrologer, p. 87, data from an article by Pat
> > Taglilatelo who? has been editor of Astrodatabank
> > since Lois Rodden died in 2003.
> >
> >
> >
> > John MCcain, Aug.29, 1936, 9 AM, Coco Solo Air Base,
> > Panama Canal Zone.
>
> I had it Panama City, Panama from somebody on the
> Centaurs list long ago; I'll have to go correct that.
> Coco Solo is near Colon on the other side of the
> Panamanian isthmus.
>
> Coco Solo, Colon, Panama is 9N23/79W53.
>
> Mark A. Holmes
>
> RR is A. Mark McDonough quotes
> > McCain's deputy press secretary, who had called his
> > mother. Mom said, "about 9 AM." Star IQ.com quotes
> > Rowena Wall for 9 AM "from two staffers in McCain's
> > election office, citing the medical records. "
> >
> > There is also a note that a faimly friend, Frances
> > Rainbolt, rectified the chart to 8:55:47 AM.
> >
> > It gives a chart of 17 Libra 56 rising, MD at 16
> > Cancer 20, Moon at 27 Capricorn 03.
> >
> > Michele Adler
> > www.micheleadler. com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GM <gabymitt@zahav. net.il <mailto:gabymitt%40zahav.net.il>>
> > To: thefixedstars@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:thefixedstars%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:31 am
> > Subject: [thefixedstars] John Mc Cain
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Dears,
> >
> > Does anyone have the hour of birth of Mr. McCain ??
> >
> > thanks
> > Gaby
>
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Greetings,

      McCain certainly has a 'different' chart...  I note that in his Geo Natal chart he has a T-Sq - VE sq CH sq SA sq VE

      In the Helio - Grand Cross - NE sq CH sq SA sq ME sq NE

On ELECTION eve Both VEnus' and both CHiron's are part of a Grand Trine in Helio...  On the 1/11/2009 SAturn and NEptune are exact!

       In the election eve Geo chart there is a DOUBLE  Grand Cross and a T-Square...  again Double!   Plus SA /-/ SA a0.04  +1.1 days

       I am far from expert here; but I wonder if it means that he will expire, shortly after taking office?

the Old Buck

--- Shawhouse <shawhouse@...> wrote:

> Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S. Pluto
> (27Cap32).


Aligned with Shir (Rho Leonis), whose name is Persian
for "head" or "top."

He's got transiting Saturn conjunct his natal Sun,
which is aligned with Thuban.

I saw something else when I was going through his star
alignments: his Pluto is aligned with Al Taleban (Tau
Puppis). As with Shir, and Thuban, I didn't give that
proper name. :) Taliban is Pashto for "religious
students"; the name might have a similar meaning in
Arabic, "student," perhaps.


Mark A. Holmes


> Diana S.
>
> Mark Andrew Holmes wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- mcadler@aol. com <mailto:mcadler%40aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Gaby -
> > >
> > > This is from the Dec. 2007/Jan. 2008 The
> Mountain
> > > Astrologer, p. 87, data from an article by Pat
> > > Taglilatelo who? has been editor of
> Astrodatabank
> > > since Lois Rodden died in 2003.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John MCcain, Aug.29, 1936, 9 AM, Coco Solo Air
> Base,
> > > Panama Canal Zone.
>
> > Coco Solo, Colon, Panama is 9N23/79W53.
> >
> > Mark A. Holmes



      
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--- Kirby <odcf5@...> wrote:

>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
>        McCain certainly has a 'different' chart...
> I note that in his
> Geo Natal chart he has a T-Sq - VE sq CH sq SA sq VE
>
>
>
>        In the Helio - Grand Cross - NE sq CH sq SA
> sq ME sq NE
>
> On ELECTION eve Both VEnus' and both CHiron's are
> part of a Grand Trine
> in Helio...  On the 1/11/2009 SAturn and NEptune are
> exact!
>
>         In the election eve Geo chart there is a
> DOUBLE  Grand Cross and
> a T-Square...  again Double!   Plus SA /-/ SA a0.04
> +1.1 days
>
>
>
>         I am far from expert here; but I wonder if
> it means that he will
> expire, shortly after taking office?
>
>
>
> the Old Buck
>
>


Chiron aligned with Alnilam (Epsilon Orionis) and
Ensis (Theta/M-42 Orionis) in his chart might suggest
so (*cough*), though for me, and many others,
hopefully the next president will be either Hillary
Clinton or Barack Obama (who both look like they have
a good shot at the White House).


Mark A. Holmes



      
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--- Shawhouse <shawhouse@...> wrote:

> Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S. Pluto (27Cap32).

Mark wrote:

Aligned with Shir (Rho Leonis), whose name is Persian for "head" or "top."
=========
Huh?

You must mean his Sun is aligned with Rho Leonis, which I have as
Maru-sha.

His Moon (prec correction to 2000 is 0 deg 53 min) is aligned with
Sigma Aquilae in the Eagle's body (other stars in this area are in Pavo,
Cygnus and the Archer's wing (his cloak used to be a wing); wee bit of
a pattern - no?

The US Pluto (27Cap34 rx), with precession correction of 3 07 to 2000 is
0 Aquar 41 (or 0 Aquar 47 for 2008): Theta Lyrae and Tarazed, Zeta Aquilae.
=============
Something just occurred to me; if a "family friend" rectified his chart, maybe he's
using astrology -- and knew all along he could win.

I just checked his chart - I don't see how he can lose the election.  As for the rest
I'll have to do more work.  But it certainly looks now like whoever he picks as a
running mate will effectively be the next president.  God help us all.

Love, Diana

Website: http://ye-stars.com

--- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@...> wrote:

> --- Shawhouse <shawhouse@...> wrote:
>
> > Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S.
> Pluto (27Cap32).
>
> Mark wrote:
>
> Aligned with Shir (Rho Leonis), whose name is
> Persian for "head" or "top."
> =========
> Huh?
>
> You must mean his Sun is aligned with Rho Leonis,


Yes, that's right.



> which I have as
> Maru-sha.
>
> His Moon (prec correction to 2000 is 0 deg 53 min)
> is aligned with
> Sigma Aquilae in the Eagle's body (other stars in
> this area are in Pavo,
> Cygnus and the Archer's wing (his cloak used to be a
> wing); wee bit of
> a pattern - no?
>
> The US Pluto (27Cap34 rx), with precession
> correction of 3 07 to 2000 is
> 0 Aquar 41 (or 0 Aquar 47 for 2008): Theta Lyrae and
> Tarazed, Zeta Aquilae.
> =============
> Something just occurred to me; if a "family friend"
> rectified his chart,
> maybe he's
> using astrology -- and knew all along he could win.
>
> I just checked his chart - I don't see how he can
> lose the election.  As for
> the rest
> I'll have to do more work.  But it certainly looks
> now like whoever he picks
> as a
> running mate will effectively be the next president.
>  God help us all.



I really hope you're wrong.


Mark A. Holmes


      
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ugh me too, as I would really hate to see another republican in
office, the economy has been screwed badly enough thanks,

In any case I rather thought Obama's chart looked good as well,
IIRC, born in Hawaii on 4 august 1961, but I dont recall the
time,but it looks as though he probably has a decent GT between Moon
Saturn Jup conj and Mars in earth AND with his Leo prominence may
have the boost of the solar eclipse?

moon iwth Algol giving him the speaking voice that is helping him so
far,
Saturn with Terabellum? Omega SAgitarius
Jupiter with Tarazed? or Alpha Sagitarii?
Mars with Alkes - the cup!
Sun with Acubens? orKocheb? Acubens ready to fight for wins, not
certain of the other, I have a difficult time seeing anyone gettting
this far in the presidential race who does NOT have a strong chart,
I think it is pretty well guarenteed that a person to make it past
the first primaries they must have a strong chart, so I'm going ot
look a bit more, see  what I see, what did I do with the
presidential charts gottem here somewhere! Beth



--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, Mark Andrew Holmes
<mahtezcatpoc@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
>
> > --- Shawhouse <shawhouse@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S.
> > Pluto (27Cap32).
> >
> > Mark wrote:
> >
> > Aligned with Shir (Rho Leonis), whose name is
> > Persian for "head" or "top."
> > =========
> > Huh?
> >
> > You must mean his Sun is aligned with Rho Leonis,
>
>
> Yes, that's right.
>
>
>
> > which I have as
> > Maru-sha.
> >
> > His Moon (prec correction to 2000 is 0 deg 53 min)
> > is aligned with
> > Sigma Aquilae in the Eagle's body (other stars in
> > this area are in Pavo,
> > Cygnus and the Archer's wing (his cloak used to be a
> > wing); wee bit of
> > a pattern - no?
> >
> > The US Pluto (27Cap34 rx), with precession
> > correction of 3 07 to 2000 is
> > 0 Aquar 41 (or 0 Aquar 47 for 2008): Theta Lyrae and
> > Tarazed, Zeta Aquilae.
> > =============
> > Something just occurred to me; if a "family friend"
> > rectified his chart,
> > maybe he's
> > using astrology -- and knew all along he could win.
> >
> > I just checked his chart - I don't see how he can
> > lose the election.  As for
> > the rest
> > I'll have to do more work.  But it certainly looks
> > now like whoever he picks
> > as a
> > running mate will effectively be the next president.
> >  God help us all.
>
>
>
> I really hope you're wrong.
>
>
> Mark A. Holmes
>
>
>
_____________________________________________________________________
_______________
> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>

Just a side note in case it escapes us, the Moon will pass over the
same eclipse point as last night on the morning of the Election,
which leeds me to consider it may have some far reaching effects.

Beth



--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "msbhavens1" <msbhavens1@...>
wrote:
>
> ugh me too, as I would really hate to see another republican in
> office, the economy has been screwed badly enough thanks,
>
> In any case I rather thought Obama's chart looked good as well,
> IIRC, born in Hawaii on 4 august 1961, but I dont recall the
> time,but it looks as though he probably has a decent GT between
Moon
> Saturn Jup conj and Mars in earth AND with his Leo prominence may
> have the boost of the solar eclipse?
>
> moon iwth Algol giving him the speaking voice that is helping him
so
> far,
> Saturn with Terabellum? Omega SAgitarius
> Jupiter with Tarazed? or Alpha Sagitarii?
> Mars with Alkes - the cup!
> Sun with Acubens? orKocheb? Acubens ready to fight for wins, not
> certain of the other, I have a difficult time seeing anyone
gettting
> this far in the presidential race who does NOT have a strong
chart,
> I think it is pretty well guarenteed that a person to make it past
> the first primaries they must have a strong chart, so I'm going ot
> look a bit more, see  what I see, what did I do with the
> presidential charts gottem here somewhere! Beth
>
>
>
> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, Mark Andrew Holmes
> <mahtezcatpoc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@> wrote:
> >
> > > --- Shawhouse <shawhouse@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S.
> > > Pluto (27Cap32).
> > >
> > > Mark wrote:
> > >
> > > Aligned with Shir (Rho Leonis), whose name is
> > > Persian for "head" or "top."
> > > =========
> > > Huh?
> > >
> > > You must mean his Sun is aligned with Rho Leonis,
> >
> >
> > Yes, that's right.
> >
> >
> >
> > > which I have as
> > > Maru-sha.
> > >
> > > His Moon (prec correction to 2000 is 0 deg 53 min)
> > > is aligned with
> > > Sigma Aquilae in the Eagle's body (other stars in
> > > this area are in Pavo,
> > > Cygnus and the Archer's wing (his cloak used to be a
> > > wing); wee bit of
> > > a pattern - no?
> > >
> > > The US Pluto (27Cap34 rx), with precession
> > > correction of 3 07 to 2000 is
> > > 0 Aquar 41 (or 0 Aquar 47 for 2008): Theta Lyrae and
> > > Tarazed, Zeta Aquilae.
> > > =============
> > > Something just occurred to me; if a "family friend"
> > > rectified his chart,
> > > maybe he's
> > > using astrology -- and knew all along he could win.
> > >
> > > I just checked his chart - I don't see how he can
> > > lose the election.  As for
> > > the rest
> > > I'll have to do more work.  But it certainly looks
> > > now like whoever he picks
> > > as a
> > > running mate will effectively be the next president.
> > >  God help us all.
> >
> >
> >
> > I really hope you're wrong.
> >
> >
> > Mark A. Holmes
> >
> >
> >
>
_____________________________________________________________________
> _______________
> > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >
>

I think Hellary's biggest boost is the Venus is trine her SAturn,
Pluto, Mars Leo stellium on election day she may get crossover women
voters,  Also Chiron in her chart is 12 scorpio and sun will be at 11
scorpio on election day, wonder if there might be some healing there?
As well as a conj of Mars and Merc on election day for her, TMars
aligns with NMerc

her husband Bill is a Leo, and frankly Bills chart is less friendly to
Hillary's than Baracks in many ways, they may make a team of it yet.
Bill also has a taruus moon so many similarities in ralating there.

Since BArack and JFK have been compared a lto lately I threw up both
birthdays and in general, JFK Taurus Stellium Merc, Jup and Mars for a
GT with Baracks Saturn Jupiter conj and his natal Mars,
JFKs Satun and Neptune are conj Barack Merc
JFK Pluto aligned with Barack Venus

Interestingly the squars and opositions in the synestry occur in
Obamas chart natally, and some are the same that occur in JFKs
naturally so sympathetic even in their hard aspects. Both Harvard
Grads, Both Wrote and Published books BEFORE running for president
both have the Saros 10 series Eclipse in the election year Primaries,
these guys have a lot of similarities going on...jfk is 29 may 1917 by
the way, I'm just looking at loose alignments here, not perfected
charts since we are not to sure about some of them...


Okay I'll be back.... MissB

Dear Michele,

Thank you for the data of McCain.

SOme interesting thing occured to me, Obama was born on a Friday,
McCain on Saturday, and Hillary on Sunday.There are interesting
exlanations in the kabala regarding which day is one born.
But this is not the furom for that... just a thought

Gaby
--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, mcadler@... wrote:
>
>
> Gaby -
>
> This is from the Dec. 2007/Jan. 2008 The Mountain Astrologer, p.
87, data from an article by Pat Taglilatelo who? has been editor of
Astrodatabank since Lois Rodden died in 2003.
>
>
>
> John MCcain, Aug.29, 1936, 9 AM, Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal
Zone. RR is A. Mark McDonough quotes McCain's deputy press secretary,
who had called his mother. Mom said, "about 9 AM." Star IQ.com quotes
Rowena Wall for 9 AM "from two staffers in McCain's election office,
citing the medical records. "
>
> There is also a note that a faimly friend, Frances Rainbolt,
rectified the chart to 8:55:47 AM.
>
> It gives a chart of 17 Libra 56 rising, MD at 16 Cancer 20, Moon at
27 Capricorn 03.
>
> Michele Adler
> www.micheleadler.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GM <gabymitt@...>
> To: thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:31 am
> Subject: [thefixedstars] John Mc Cain
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Dears,
>
> Does anyone have the hour of birth of Mr. McCain ??
>
> thanks
> Gaby
>
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
__
> More new features than ever.  Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
http://webmail.aol.com
>

Drawing the synastry chart between the US and the candidates AND the
day of the election, there are some interesting angles..

Obama and the USA : Transiting Sun squares Obama's Sun but trines US
SUn.
Tr.Moon is conj.to US moon, but in Opposition With O's Uranus &N.N.

Hillary and th USA : most of hor planets are in the 12 house !
McCain and the USa : he has the SUn,Neptune,Venus,Merc close to the
MC ...

and there is more.....
Gaby

--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "GM" <gabymitt@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Michele,
>
> Thank you for the data of McCain.
>
> SOme interesting thing occured to me, Obama was born on a Friday,
> McCain on Saturday, and Hillary on Sunday.There are interesting
> exlanations in the kabala regarding which day is one born.
> But this is not the furom for that... just a thought
>
> Gaby
> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, mcadler@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gaby -
> >
> > This is from the Dec. 2007/Jan. 2008 The Mountain Astrologer, p.
> 87, data from an article by Pat Taglilatelo who? has been editor of
> Astrodatabank since Lois Rodden died in 2003.
> >
> >
> >
> > John MCcain, Aug.29, 1936, 9 AM, Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal
> Zone. RR is A. Mark McDonough quotes McCain's deputy press
secretary,
> who had called his mother. Mom said, "about 9 AM." Star IQ.com
quotes
> Rowena Wall for 9 AM "from two staffers in McCain's election
office,
> citing the medical records. "
> >
> > There is also a note that a faimly friend, Frances Rainbolt,
> rectified the chart to 8:55:47 AM.
> >
> > It gives a chart of 17 Libra 56 rising, MD at 16 Cancer 20, Moon
at
> 27 Capricorn 03.
> >
> > Michele Adler
> > www.micheleadler.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GM <gabymitt@>
> > To: thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:31 am
> > Subject: [thefixedstars] John Mc Cain
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Dears,
> >
> > Does anyone have the hour of birth of Mr. McCain ??
> >
> > thanks
> > Gaby
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> __
> > More new features than ever.  Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> http://webmail.aol.com
> >
>

Neptune Cafe gives Obama 1:06PM with an explanation.
http://www.neptunecafe.com/Obama08.html  This chart gives Scorpio
Rising, with yesterday's eclipse square his Asc/Desc. axis.
Diana S.

msbhavens1 wrote:
>
> ugh me too, as I would really hate to see another republican in
> office, the economy has been screwed badly enough thanks,
>
> In any case I rather thought Obama's chart looked good as well,
> IIRC, born in Hawaii on 4 august 1961, but I dont recall the
> time,but it looks as though he probably has a decent GT between Moon
> Saturn Jup conj and Mars in earth AND with his Leo prominence may
> have the boost of the solar eclipse?
>
> moon iwth Algol giving him the speaking voice that is helping him so
> far,
> Saturn with Terabellum? Omega SAgitarius
> Jupiter with Tarazed? or Alpha Sagitarii?
> Mars with Alkes - the cup!
> Sun with Acubens? orKocheb? Acubens ready to fight for wins, not
> certain of the other, I have a difficult time seeing anyone gettting
> this far in the presidential race who does NOT have a strong chart,
> I think it is pretty well guarenteed that a person to make it past
> the first primaries they must have a strong chart, so I'm going ot
> look a bit more, see what I see, what did I do with the
> presidential charts gottem here somewhere! Beth
>
> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:thefixedstars%40yahoogroups.com>, Mark Andrew Holmes
> <mahtezcatpoc@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- Shawhouse <shawhouse@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Interesting that his Moon is conjunct the U.S.
> > > Pluto (27Cap32).
> > >
> > > Mark wrote:
> > >
> > > Aligned with Shir (Rho Leonis), whose name is
> > > Persian for "head" or "top."
> > > =========
> > > Huh?
> > >
> > > You must mean his Sun is aligned with Rho Leonis,
> >
> >
> > Yes, that's right.
> >
> >
> >
> > > which I have as
> > > Maru-sha.
> > >
> > > His Moon (prec correction to 2000 is 0 deg 53 min)
> > > is aligned with
> > > Sigma Aquilae in the Eagle's body (other stars in
> > > this area are in Pavo,
> > > Cygnus and the Archer's wing (his cloak used to be a
> > > wing); wee bit of
> > > a pattern - no?
> > >
> > > The US Pluto (27Cap34 rx), with precession
> > > correction of 3 07 to 2000 is
> > > 0 Aquar 41 (or 0 Aquar 47 for 2008): Theta Lyrae and
> > > Tarazed, Zeta Aquilae.
> > > =============
> > > Something just occurred to me; if a "family friend"
> > > rectified his chart,
> > > maybe he's
> > > using astrology -- and knew all along he could win.
> > >
> > > I just checked his chart - I don't see how he can
> > > lose the election. As for
> > > the rest
> > > I'll have to do more work. But it certainly looks
> > > now like whoever he picks
> > > as a
> > > running mate will effectively be the next president.
> > > God help us all.
> >
> >
> >
> > I really hope you're wrong.
> >
> >
> > Mark A. Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________
> _______________
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs <http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>
> >
>
>

you are correct, dont know how I got wrong moon,
but federal elections in US are ALWAYS the Fist Tuesday in November
that is NOT november 1st, so you always know it is between the 2-8th
of november all you have to do is look for the right tuesday.

--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Gaby Mittleman"
<gabymitt@...> wrote:
>
> In Wikipedia it says :
>
>
>
> The United States presidential election of 2008, scheduled to be
held on
> November 4 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_4> , 2008
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008> , will be the 56th consecutive
> quadrennial <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quadrennial>  election
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election>  for president
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States>  and
vice
> president
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States>
> of the United <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>
States. This
> presidential election schedule coincides with the 2008 Senate
elections
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections%
2C_2008> ,
> House of Representatives elections
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_elections%
2C_2008> , and
> gubernatorial elections
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gubernatorial_elections%
2C_2008>
> , as well as many state and local elections.
>
> Now Nov. 4th the moon in Washington will be in 24.33 Cap.
>
> While today's New moon was in 17th Aqu.
>
> Interesting day, the 4th on November ! The Sun will be in Via
Combusta, and
> Mars too.in a chart casted for Washington, both will be in the
12th house !
>
> The Moon will be VOC most of the day,there is an exact opposition
between
> Uranus and Saturn, and Chiron 3 degrees from North Node..
>
> Ascendant on Altares, Desc on Aldebran ( I use equal houses )
>
> Saturn close to the MC. Hm,,, sorry,( I Understood you people are
not very
> enthusiastic about him)  but I think McCain has a good chance to
be elected.
>
>
>
> www.astroworld.co.il <http://www.astroworld.co.il/>
>
> Gaby Mittelman
>

what chart are you using for US please, as there are several and all
contested. :) MissB


--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "GM" <gabymitt@...> wrote:
>
> Drawing the synastry chart between the US and the candidates AND
the
> day of the election, there are some interesting angles..
>
> Obama and the USA : Transiting Sun squares Obama's Sun but trines
US
> SUn.
> Tr.Moon is conj.to US moon, but in Opposition With O's Uranus &N.N.
>
> Hillary and th USA : most of hor planets are in the 12 house !
> McCain and the USa : he has the SUn,Neptune,Venus,Merc close to
the
> MC ...
>
> and there is more.....
> Gaby
>
> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "GM" <gabymitt@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Michele,
> >
> > Thank you for the data of McCain.
> >
> > SOme interesting thing occured to me, Obama was born on a
Friday,
> > McCain on Saturday, and Hillary on Sunday.There are interesting
> > exlanations in the kabala regarding which day is one born.
> > But this is not the furom for that... just a thought
> >
> > Gaby
> > --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, mcadler@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gaby -
> > >
> > > This is from the Dec. 2007/Jan. 2008 The Mountain Astrologer,
p.
> > 87, data from an article by Pat Taglilatelo who? has been editor
of
> > Astrodatabank since Lois Rodden died in 2003.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John MCcain, Aug.29, 1936, 9 AM, Coco Solo Air Base, Panama
Canal
> > Zone. RR is A. Mark McDonough quotes McCain's deputy press
> secretary,
> > who had called his mother. Mom said, "about 9 AM." Star IQ.com
> quotes
> > Rowena Wall for 9 AM "from two staffers in McCain's election
> office,
> > citing the medical records. "
> > >
> > > There is also a note that a faimly friend, Frances Rainbolt,
> > rectified the chart to 8:55:47 AM.
> > >
> > > It gives a chart of 17 Libra 56 rising, MD at 16 Cancer 20,
Moon
> at
> > 27 Capricorn 03.
> > >
> > > Michele Adler
> > > www.micheleadler.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: GM <gabymitt@>
> > > To: thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:31 am
> > > Subject: [thefixedstars] John Mc Cain
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Dears,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have the hour of birth of Mr. McCain ??
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Gaby
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
_____________________________________________________________________
_
> > __
> > > More new features than ever.  Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> > http://webmail.aol.com
> > >
> >
>

where do you find this info? what rating? MissB


--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Gaby Mittleman" <gabymitt@...>
wrote:
>
> Obama : 19.54 hrs.
>

I've been reading "dreams of my father by Barack Obama, all I can say
is it must have been hell growing up a balck man in a white family,
msot of his childhood his father was in Africa so he basically grew up
with his Mothers people, all Kansas white folk, living in Hawaii.

Hawaii was probably less stressful for him than Middle america, but
damn! what a pain in the ass!

Beth

meant to post that to other group, sorry!

Beth