Mark A. Holmes wrote:
>If you look at ancients' write ups on the South Scale, you will not
find it very flattering BUT Brady says it relates to *positive social
reform*.
> Many active contributors of the Urania list have placements on or
near this position.


Social pleasures is the thrust I believe.  Whether smoking in groups,
or this...

Guilty of Mercury conjunct Zubenelgenubi here.  That's a very
interesting observation on active contributors.  But what prompted
the ancients to malign this star?  It seems as though Zubeneschemali
vs Zubenelgenubi opinions have reversed on the "good/evil" scale.

The good conferred by ancients on Zubeneschemali, came from what
values?

How exactly did we go from malevolence, disease, and lying vs. honor
and distinction to sacrifice vs. mercenary?

Ariondys

>   Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:33:30 -0000
>   From: "mahtezcatpoc" <mahtezcatpoc@...>

Thank you, Mark, for forming this group! I've often thought
of forming one, but I never could give it the time it would
deserve.

You wrote:

>I have checked in SolarFire 5 for Brady fixed star aspects to major
>planets, the five most commonly used asteroids, the major angles, the
>lunar Nodes, the Vertex and the East Point in the chart for this group
>(conjunctions only, 1 00' orb), and found the following:

>Mars conjunct Vega (Alpha Lyrae)
>Saturn conjunct Castor (Alpha Geminorum)
>Ceres conjunct Agena (Beta Centauri)
>Pallas conjunct Diadem (Alpha Comae Berenices)
>South Node conjunct Arcturus (Alpha Bootis) and Spica (Alpha Virginis)
>East Point conjunct Denebola (Beta Leonis)

>Mark A. Holmes

Besides Vega, I get a kick out of Mars also being conjunct
Manubrium, Omicron Sagittarii, because it was a star in
China's "Determining Asterism," which "determined" (marked)
the Winter Solstice by its heliacal rising; as it was on the
Sun's path, it was also called "The Inspector of the
Ecliptic!" How's that for a suitable start to a fixed star
group?

From my Workbook (the positions are for 1980; for 2000, add
17 minutes; for 2005, add 21 minutes)

(apologies if alignments are lost in transmission)

Manubrium Omicron Sagittarii Archer's head  14CP43   0 52 -21 46 19 03   3.77   
gG8
Vega  Alpha Lyrae "Harp Star" Lyre/Vulture  15CP02  61 44 38 46  18 36   0.03   
A0 V
  The "Weaving Girl" of Chinese myth  5th brightest star in apparent magnitude

(The numbers after the longitude positions are Latitude,
Declination, Right Ascension, Magnitude, Spectral Class)

Stern, autocratic, dictatorial leadership; lay down the law,
attempt to impose their ideology on others -"my beliefs
ought to be everyone's beliefs." Want to help others, but
tend to offer extreme, fanatic solutions to problems.
Skilled political maneuverers. Military, politics, theology,
history, mathematics, music, poetry, astronomy, law,
business. Religion, philosophy - either live it or reject
it. May inherit position, suffer from stern upbringing, have
pre-set ideology imposed upon them. Possible coldness,
brutality, aggressiveness, but some become humane, make
sacrifices for others. Must deal with issues of prejudice,
economics, religion, philosophy. Blindness (Jupiter at
Bhopal disaster), explosions, fires, assassinations,
eruptions, storms, massacres

Again, many thanks.

Love, Diana

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Hi Martina,

Under the page button on the right find "samples", then "sample objects", then "ancients and others"

(Sample3.pag)....thus you get a page.  This has a quite a bit on it including the aspects with Fixed Stars.

So it is a template set up on Solar Fire 5.

It is possible to create one's own page with just the aspect grids on it.

I think you have to start a total new page to do this, or so the Solar Fire guy in Melbourne told me

once when I was struggling around trying to get creative with the template.

Hope you can work this all out. I have got a Mercury Quinqunx Algol (-1*) so if you think

I am waffling on.....you are probably right :)

Heather

Hi Martina,

Under the page button on the right find "samples", then "sample objects", then "ancients and others"

(Sample3.pag)....thus you get a page.  This has a quite a bit on it including the aspects with Fixed Stars.

So it is a template set up on Solar Fire 5.

It is possible to create one's own page with just the aspect grids on it.

I think you have to start a total new page to do this, or so the Solar Fire guy in Melbourne told me

once when I was struggling around trying to get creative with the template.

Hope you can work this all out. I have got a Mercury Quinqunx Algol (-1*) so if you think

I am waffling on.....you are probably right :)

Heather

----- Original Message -----

From: betelgeuse

To: thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:02 AM

Subject: Re: [thefixedstars] Re: Corrected list inception data

Hi Martina.

 

These lists made with Solar Fire, the 'pages' are own creation, and I may give a copy of my page files if you wish, for the group, if Mark approves.   Of course the program itself should be bought to its commercial source.  Now my pages are done for SF4, so if you use SF5 give me some time.

 

 

kindly,

alhena 

 

Martina <merskine@...> wrote:

Hi alhena,..........

What program gave you that nice list???

 

And hi all!!

 

Martina

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--- "wyf.of.bathe" <wyf_of_bathe@...> wrote:

> i'm looking forward to this list as well.  the
> mythology of fixed stars and their use by aboriginal
> cultures is something that i incorporate into my
> understanding of astrology.  the medicine wheel in
> my backyard is aligned with antares and aldebaran
> (natal nodes) and perhaps i'll begin to understand
> more about *why* :)
>
> glad this group is here and hope i can contribute -
> know i'll be learning much!
>
> fritzy (north carolina)
>


Welcome aboard.

Mark A. Holmes

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--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Astrocalypse"
<astrocalypse@b...> wrote:
> The list's Neptune is parallel Zuben Elgenubi ruling the 7th of the
'others' in 5th, and Neptune is square to the star's tropical position.
>
> If you look at ancients' write ups on the South Scale, you will not
find it very flattering BUT Brady says it relates to *positive social
reform*.
>
> Many active contributors of the Urania list have placements on or
near this position.


I have Neptune conjunct Zubenalgenubi.

I think Robson links Zubenalgenubi (Alpha Librae) to "danger of
poison." (p. 205) I smoked from my early teens up until ten years ago,
when I managed to make a clean break with the habit. I also smoked
marijuana in my mid-teens to early twenties, and hung with a lot of
mostly younger kids with problems while I was doing that, and ended up
not caring all that much for them; they weren't bad people because
they had problems, but I ended up realizing that their company was toxic.


>I think it relates to their abilities to make the best use of
astrological resource (asteroids) available to them and make something
of them, despite many astrological 'establishments' pooh-pooh-ing the
little stones.  I certainly believe they contribute tremendously to
the positive 'reform' of astrology.
>
> Cal

I would hope I'm helping to make the world a better place.

Mark A. Holmes

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Hello,

I am have just joined up. Thanks for letting us
know on the other list.

Am looking forward to looking more into
the Fixed Stars.

Am always thrilled to read
all the mid-eastern mythology folk lore on
Fixed Stars.

best wishes,

Heather
(Sydney, Australia)

--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Martina" <merskine@v...> wrote:
  hi all!!
>
> Martina


Hi yourself.

Mark A. Holmes

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--- betelgeuse <betelggeuse@...> wrote:

> hello Mark and all,
>
> Good luck to this interesting group !
>
> Here the more or less extensive list of aspects and
> orbs. Pls
> let me know if the Carthage coordinates should be
> adjusted.

They're okay.

Mark A. Holmes



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Hi alhena,..........

What program gave you that nice list???

 

And hi all!!

 

Martina

--- Astrocalypse <astrocalypse@...>
wrote:

> The list's Neptune is parallel Zuben Elgenubi ruling
> the 7th of the 'others' in 5th, and Neptune is
> square to the star's tropical position.
>
> If you look at ancients' write ups on the South
> Scale, you will not find it very flattering BUT
> Brady says it relates to *positive social reform*.
>
> Many active contributors of the Urania list have
> placements on or near this position.  I think it
> relates to their abilities to make the best use of
> astrological resource (asteroids) available to them
> and make something of them, despite many
> astrological 'establishments' pooh-pooh-ing the
> little stones.  I certainly believe they contribute
> tremendously to the positive 'reform' of astrology.
>
> Cal


Good point. I'm not used to using fixed-star
parallels.

Mark A. Holmes



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--- Astrocalypse <astrocalypse@...>
wrote:

> There two two online fixed stars resource which I
> find useful:-
>
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~ye-stars/
>
> This one is Diana Rosenberg's site.
>
> http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/
>
> This one is Ann Wright's as referred to in Arionys's
> post.

I've bookmarked both of these as well as a page I've
got on my own web site about galactic points.

http://www.geocities.com/mahtezcatpoc/jeborics.html

That is, you can now access all these sites through
the Links section of these group.

("Jeborics" is a term somebody once proposed to refer
to galactic points.)


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> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "mahtezcatpoc"
> <mahtezcatpoc@y...> wrote:
> >
> > This group was created on February 26, 2005, at 7:15 p.m. Central
> > Standard Time, in Carthage, Texas, USA.
>
> Excuse me, that's 7:17 p.m.
>


I have checked in SolarFire 5 for Brady fixed star aspects to major
planets, the five most commonly used asteroids, the major angles, the
lunar Nodes, the Vertex and the East Point in the chart for this group
(conjunctions only, 1 00' orb), and found the following:

Mars conjunct Vega (Alpha Lyrae)
Saturn conjunct Castor (Alpha Geminorum)
Ceres conjunct Agena (Beta Centauri)
Pallas conjunct Diadem (Alpha Comae Berenices)
South Node conjunct Arcturus (Alpha Bootis) and Spica (Alpha Virginis)
East Point conjunct Denebola (Beta Leonis)


Mark A. Holmes

Mark A. Holmes wrote:
>>> This group was created on February 26, 2005, at 7:15 p.m. Central
Standard Time, in Carthage, Texas, USA.

Carthage:  94w20 32n09

>> Excuse me, that's 7:17 p.m.

> Mars conjunct Vega (Alpha Lyrae)
> Saturn conjunct Castor (Alpha Geminorum)
> Ceres conjunct Agena (Beta Centauri)
> Pallas conjunct Diadem (Alpha Comae Berenices)
> South Node conjunct Arcturus (Alpha Bootis) and Spica (Alpha
Virginis)
> East Point conjunct Denebola (Beta Leonis)



I'm afraid your group's chart has scored a hit with my Uranus
conjuncting it's South Node.


-a hidden peaceful cottage of secret knowledge.
-a work of secret knowedge.
-educational trailblazer
-secret, lonely, isolated, and hidden seem to come at me repeatedly,
but also PL=ZE/AP

-As well, a VERY intriguing Chiron.....


Star Stuff:
I have seen Vega on a Mercury before.  But not
noticed it on a Mars.

Vega with Mars: Scientific interests, unpopular opinions, moral
courage, favorable for gain. (Robson).

Ugh, I just found a tiny bug in astrolog.  I figured what star it was
anyways though.  El Nath is connected to the checkbox for Alnilam.

El Nath Culminating, fortune and eminence sound ok.
Mintaka Culminating, that's Delta Orion.
Capella Culminating: Military, naval or ecclesiastical connections
and preferment, waste dissipation, envy and trouble. If at the same
time with Sun, Moon or Jupiter, ample fortune and great honor.
(Robson).

That's quite a few bright stars culminating...

Avior Rising:
http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/
--------------------------------
Fixed star:  AVIOR
Constellation:   Epsilon Carina- Argo Navis
Longitude 1900:  21VIR47. Longitude 2000:  23VIR08.
Declination 1900:  -59.11'. Declination 2000:  -59.31'.
Right ascension:  08h22m. Latitude:   -72.40'.
Spectral class:  KB. Magnitude:  1.7.
Suggested orb: 1 deg. approx. Planetary nature:  Sat-Jup

History of the star: The southern star in the shields near the
Mastholder of Argo, in the Keel of the Great Ship. No myths or
interpretations are linked with it because it was not visible to the
ancients in the northern hemisphere.

Influence of the constellation: Prosperity in trade and voyages.
Strength of mind and spirit. Connected to death by drowning.
(Robson).

References

The Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson
1923, Ascella Publications, UK, ISBN: 1 898503 50 8.

Starnames, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinchley Allen, 1889,
Dover Publications 1963. ISBN 0-486-21079-0.
---------------------------------------------------------------


Ariondys

Mark A. Holmes wrote:
> (5) Please edit your messages to remove redundant content when you
reply instead of composing new messages so you don't include along
with your message every other message in the thread ad infinitum with
a lot of unnecessary text swimming in a mess of right-angle brackets.
> This is a pet peeve of mine.


Thank you Mark.

I'm sure this will probably be a good group.  I'll look into the
conception in a bit... I've tried making a group too.  They really
live.


Ariondys

> --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "mahtezcatpoc"
> <mahtezcatpoc@y...> wrote:
> >
> > This group was created on February 26, 2005, at 7:15 p.m. Central
> > Standard Time, in Carthage, Texas, USA.
>
> Excuse me, that's 7:17 p.m.
>


I have checked in SolarFire 5 for Brady fixed star aspects to major
planets, the five most commonly used asteroids, the major angles, the
lunar Nodes, the Vertex and the East Point in the chart for this group
(conjunctions only, 1 00' orb), and found the following:

Mars conjunct Vega (Alpha Lyrae)
Saturn conjunct Castor (Alpha Geminorum)
Ceres conjunct Agena (Beta Centauri)
Pallas conjunct Diadem (Alpha Comae Berenices)
South Node conjunct Arcturus (Alpha Bootis) and Spica (Alpha Virginis)
East Point conjunct Denebola (Beta Leonis)


Mark A. Holmes


Mark A. Holmes

--- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "mahtezcatpoc"
<mahtezcatpoc@y...> wrote:
>
> This group was created on February 26, 2005, at 7:15 p.m. Central
> Standard Time, in Carthage, Texas, USA.

Excuse me, that's 7:17 p.m.

Mark A. Holmes

These are the rules for the group. I don't want to give this long and
detailed list of do's and don'ts, but some rules are necessary.

(1) If you're an astrological newbie, this is probably not an
appropriate group for you; we'll help each other out if we don't
understand something, but this list is for astrologers who already
have mastered the basics.

(2) Treat all members with respect; no personal attacks, no
flamefests, no name-calling, no libel, no stalking, no bigotry. I have
been through this stuff on other groups and *I will not tolerate it
here.* I have seen lists that have dried up, withered away and
vanished through too-tight control of the discussion, but I have also
seen list moderators go to the other extreme and tolerate nasties for
months and months before finally stepping in to stop their
misbehavior. I am going to try and strike a balance. I will not issue
an unlimited number of warnings to bad actors. If you persist in being
ugly, you will be banned, and don't ask me for another chance if you
are. If you came to mock or sneer, go somewhere else. As for other
language: I don't mind profanity unless other members mind it. Also,
try to stay away from political rivalry on the list. We want to get
along here.

(3) Posting spam to the list may get you banned, too.

(4) The occasional digression is fine, but try to keep it on the
stated topic of this list; if you go off-topic for too long, I may ask
you to get back on-topic.

(5) Please edit your messages to remove redundant content when you
reply instead of composing new messages so you don't include along
with your message every other message in the thread ad infinitum with
a lot of unnecessary text swimming in a mess of right-angle brackets.
This is a pet peeve of mine.

If we need to make any other rules as we go along, we will.

Live long and prosper.



Mark A. Holmes

This group was created on February 26, 2005, at 7:15 p.m. Central
Standard Time, in Carthage, Texas, USA.

I use the following texts, which may or may not be easily available.

*Brady's Book of Fixed Stars*, by Bernadette Brady

*The Fixed Stars and Constellations In Astrology*, by Vivian E. Robson

*The Power of Fixed Stars,* by Joseph E. Rigor

*Die Bedeutung der Fixsterne* (English title, *Fixed Stars and Their
Interpretation*) by Elsbeth Ebertin, Reinhold Ebertin, and Georg
Hoffmann (translated from German to English by Irmgard Banks)

*Astrophysical Directions*, by Michael and Margaret Erlewine

*The Black Hole Book*, by Alex Miller-Mignone.

We won't confine ourselves to these books; if there are any others
that are valuable, we can certainly use those.


Mark A. Holmes