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RIAA and record labels protection features!   Message List  
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Re: RIAA and record labels protection features!

--- In the_gdf@y..., "givemebackblujaguar" <TheSeeker@E...> wrote:
> --- In the_gdf@y..., "joakim_a" <netfox100@h...> wrote:

> Since BearShare returns query hits regardless of it's security
> settings, there's nothing to stop the RIAA/MPAA from using any
client
> they want to gather lists of hosts sharing a particular file.

These are not admissible in court. No one can prove or disprove that
there exists a rogue server which returns query hits containing other
people's IP addresses. In fact, companies like MediaDefender have
been avoiding the "random IP address in query hits" strategy of
making searches and downloads less efficient because doing so would
further weaken the "a query hit is sufficient as evidence" argument.

Furthermore, there is no way to tie a query hit to its temporal
origination. Therefore, users with DHCP or other dynamic IP address
assignment schemes have an easy alibi: they were not using the IP
address in the time range specified.

I rather doubt that query hits alone are being counted as significant
proof of illegal activities.

> So basically, there is no security in the secure channels feature,

Thats a biased comment, completely ungrounded in fact.

Lets take secure leaves for example. This offers a pretty strong
security statement:

- No Secure leaf has more than 10 Ultrapeer connections

Note that clients like Qtrax and Shareaza allow leaves with limitless
numbers of Ultrapeers. This incredibly selfish behavior causes a
flood of query traffic. Although it maximizes results for the local
user, it impacts the network greatly. If every client behaved like
Qtrax, Gnutella would surely fall.

Therefore, requiring secure leaf connections assures that your
Ultrapeer cannot be used as an entrypoint by these abusive clients.
Unfortunately, it prevents more well behaved clients from connecting
as well. They can attach to Morpheus Ultrapeers if they choose.

Further clustering in the BearShare portion of the network will
shield most of our users from the monstrous traffic and spam that is
being passed around the general network.

Its almost like you started with the premise that "BearShare Secure
Channels" doesnt work or provide useful benefits, and then tried to
support your premise through specious arguments.





Wed Jul 17, 2002 10:32 pm

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... client ... These are not admissible in court. No one can prove or disprove that there exists a rogue server which returns query hits containing other ...
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... If the ISP keeps connection logs, it's possible to obtain this information via a subpoena. ISPs may maintain these logs for their own reasons (use by tech...
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From: "freepeers" <info@...> ... Secure channels cannot provide any good security against individual nodes who want to fake they are BearShare nodes,...
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Hello! I would like to thank you all for your responses to all my questions. And also if anyone knows is this possible: To use the force IP option in LimeWire...
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The problem with this approach in the current protocol is that the servent finally receiving the QueryHit has no way of knowing where to send an HTTP request...
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... I don't think the added traffic is that bad. I rather have a network that uses 5X more bandwidth (and therefore, transfers which are 5 times slower) that...
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... How about setting up an encrypted IP-Tunnel link between N peers to a random proxy linked to the file source? What I mean is, something like this: ...
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... a ... I've read that doc and it seems interesting. However I differ of your proposal. Implementing a relay similar to Tarzan system within gnutella have...
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I wish to know about documented cases of that (copyright file sharers reported to its ISPs). I suppose they need certain evidences, and I don't seen clear...
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Well, Ranger (http://www.rangerinc.com) claims they've issued over 1,500 'cease and desist' notices, with a 95% success rate of ISP action. Considering that's...
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But they refer to 1500 web hostings or there are included p2p users?....
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