Ian's comments about "Omelas" rang a bell, because I also have had students who couldn't understand why people would walk away and leave the mistreated child...
... It's not necessarily about returning later. In a Le Guin story about journey and return, there's always an understanding of why the traveler had to leave...
... Nor is it at all clear that the Ones have any business pulling out the pin that allows the society of Omelas to do so well for almost all its members, no...
Thanks for expressing that so clearly, Judy. I haven't read that book yet but was puzzled by the title. Now, I see its significance, journeying into the...
rowcliffe
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Dec 1, 2004 5:05 pm
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on 12/1/04 4:49 PM, John Cowan at jcowan@... wrote: The injustice is not fundamentally *about* the child any more: it's clear from Le Guin's...
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Dec 1, 2004 6:58 pm
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Kind of you, Riz! Thank YOU. Ian...
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Dec 1, 2004 7:01 pm
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... Yes, indeed. I noticed some frequently misspelled names, though: Hur-et-Hur for Hur-at-Hur, Elfarren for Elfarran, Cobb for Cob. I'll try to do a more...
Thanks for the replies rowcliffe and John. John: Yes, please send any mis-spellings, or proof-reading items to me directly at riz@... - because it's...
ian, i do agree with your email about being a loner but i think that ursula also give loners hope. many of her characters are loners but they do find love and...
... Nice little work. My first suggestion-comment is to note that it doesn't list all the islands on the Earthsea map. I'm pretty sure all of them are...
nicole It is wonderful that your are able to express yourself so openly about such sensitive and personal concerns. ... Yes. ... Yes, but marriage might not be...
rowcliffe
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Dec 2, 2004 11:10 am
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I've been too busy to read my posts and just walked into the middle of the very insightful Omelas discussion. I've been thinking a lot about the "walking away"...
... Therein seems to lie the crux of the matter: a system by its very nature of being a system is going to generalise and, thus, overlook individual ...
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Dec 2, 2004 3:50 pm
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Somewhere in The Disposessed I think a saying of Odo is quoted as 'True Journey is return' Hannah ... From: "David Bratman" <dbratman@...> To:...
As regarding Omelas (a short story I love) I collected a few quotes from your messages... Before a comment, I'd like to tell the group a little thing I did a...
... Thanks for the warning, Lakso: presumably, we feel threaten by these issues. Ian...
rowcliffe
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Dec 3, 2004 1:09 pm
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... Hi Ian, thank you for your reply. Probably for my bad English I don't understand if you are serious. If you are please explain it better :) My post was...
... It's easy to think that I would walk away but in real life I don't.* I think it's like those experiments that show some of the worst treatment of other...
Personally I find The ones who walk away from Omelas unbearably painful. Walking away may disassociate you, but that child is still in fear and pain. Can't we...
I'd not thought of it that way. I think I felt that because the existence of Omelas depended on the childs misery, that if everyone walked away it would end....
... From: aquila1@... To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Omelas I'd not thought of it that...
Joanne Hossack
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Dec 4, 2004 10:36 pm
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Hello, I can't wait for the miniseries for earthsea. I haven't read the books yet, but I'm definatly going to after the series is over. I joined the earthsea...
Hi, Lakso What I meant is that I can see why people might get upset: the truth hurts. Clearly, it is unpleasant to think that our actions lead to another...
rowcliffe
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Dec 6, 2004 12:04 pm
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... I don't know whether others have read Daniel Quinn's books, The Ishmael series, but they follow up the theme of walking way; that is, withdrawing your...
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Dec 6, 2004 12:16 pm
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... The Dr. Haber approach is a problematic - trying to change things directly often seems to make things worse. The Orr approach seems to portray life in ...
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Dec 6, 2004 12:45 pm
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One more world on Omelas. I guess Leguin's story is mostly just a parable based on a famous philosophical theme as the subtitle also suggests. Leguin chose a ...
... Hi Ian ... Yes that's true. It's more than unpleasant I think, it's unbearable. I've read all the posts about Omelas. I think that in a place where walking...
... Too, true - once again the question is how - I heard stories that in some communities certain children are seen as touched by G/god. The society I would...
rowcliffe
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Dec 7, 2004 7:12 pm
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Well. to me the story of the rock and the stone simply reminded me of something I learnt at school - physics? maths? philosophy? all of them? Something to do...
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