Thanks Bart, I think this could be very helpful, although I do have an issue with the price of volumes in the Brill series NTTSD which compares rather less...
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codex_05
Feb 18, 2009 7:04 am
Hi Gary, the classic definition of "autograph" is "written by one's own hand" from the Latin "autographus" and the Greek "autographos". As an author, I...
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codex_05
Feb 18, 2009 7:04 am
Hi Tony, what you say is absolutely correct. At issue is the fact that p52, based on paleographic considerations alone, is a well documented Egyptian hand....
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Tony Zbaraschuk
tonyzeskimo
Feb 17, 2009 8:58 pm
... It's frequently possible to point to things that look like copying errors even in the earliest manuscripts we have -- someone on this list just pointed out...
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Simpson, Gary
rbaptist3
Feb 17, 2009 7:13 pm
Questions from a layperson: Do we have a precise definition of what is an autograph? How would we recognize a New Testament autograph if we had one? Can we ...
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Jay Rogers
jcr4runner
Feb 17, 2009 7:13 pm
If we are to believe one patristic tradition, the Muratorian canon, the Gospel of John was composed at the behest of a committee of elders who suggested that...
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Jay Rogers
jcr4runner
Feb 17, 2009 7:13 pm
I'd like to tahnk everyone for their comments, especially Dr. Ehrman who has cleared up that he in no way can be confused with the "fringe" Jesus Seminar. The...
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Tony Zbaraschuk
tonyzeskimo
Feb 17, 2009 7:03 am
... One thing that I think we _often_ forget in this field is that for several centuries the Roman Empire was an interconnecting whole. Certainly it was...
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yennifmit
Feb 17, 2009 7:03 am
Dear James, Thanks for this note. I will pass it along to Gerald Donker. The high correlation is indeed interesting. As you noted, it is important to...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Feb 17, 2009 7:02 am
Dear T-C'ers, Some 15 years ago Michael Holmes and I conceived and then produced the collection of essays, The Text of the New Testament in Contemporary ...
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petrostelos
Feb 16, 2009 9:36 pm
This provocative question leads me to speculate about what would have happened to the autographs in the first place? Wouldn't the church which first received...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Feb 16, 2009 9:36 pm
James, I agree with most everything you say here; Nongbri's article is especially useful. One caveat (not against what you said, but what others have said):...
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Mitch Larramore
mitchlarramore
Feb 16, 2009 8:51 pm
Eddie: Dating mss is generally within 50+- years. P52 would be in the span of AD 75 to 175 (50 years both ways from its standard date of AD 125). The Gospel of...
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Peter M. Head
petermh2004
Feb 16, 2009 8:51 pm
... No. Peter M. Head, PhD Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament Tyndale House 36 Selwyn Gardens Cambridge CB3 9BA 01223 566601...
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James Snapp, Jr.
voxverax
Feb 16, 2009 8:51 pm
Dear Eddie M.: P52 is not part of the autograph of the Gospel of John. As C.H. Roberts noted: in the initial publication of the fragment, there does not seem...
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Kevin Bushnell
uacna
Feb 16, 2009 7:08 am
Eddie, Interesting question; I don't think I have ever heard that one before. Yes, it can be said with high certainty that P52 is not an autograph....
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codex_05
Feb 16, 2009 7:08 am
If I may be permitted to respond with a bit of layman logic, it would be hard to imagine that the autograph of a major canonical Gospel would find it's way to...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Feb 16, 2009 7:08 am
Very interesting. I don't know how one would go about establishing that P75-B is the product of a recension, however that is defined; I've always thought of...
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Feb 16, 2009 7:08 am
Of course, the date of the mss and the date you would assign to the GOJ would be an important factor in choosing to call it an autograph (Note that I said...
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ron minton
ronminton@...
Feb 16, 2009 7:08 am
Using the normal definition of your word "certainty," no. Of course you know the range of dates usually assigned to P52 and the date commonly given for John. ...
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James Snapp, Jr.
voxverax
Feb 15, 2009 8:41 am
Just a brief note for Tim Finney; perhaps this can be passed along to Gerald Donker -- If you can get your hands on "The Bible As Book: The Transmission of ...
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Eddie Mishoe
edmishoe
Feb 15, 2009 8:41 am
I'd like permission to post a dumb question :o ) Can it be stated with certainty that P52 is NOT an autograph? Eddie Mishoe Pastor...
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Eddie Mishoe
edmishoe
Feb 15, 2009 8:41 am
What are the top 7 or so significant ms discoveries (related to OT or NT) made since the publication of the KJV in 1600s? I'm guessing that some on my list...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Feb 15, 2009 8:40 am
Does anyone on the list have a current email address for Carroll Osburn? -- Bart Ehrman Bart D. Ehrman James A. Gray Professor Department of Religious Studies ...
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Tommy Wasserman
tommywasser
Feb 15, 2009 8:40 am
Bart wrote: *are* there scholars who still think that the P75-B line of text represents a "recension"? If so, what does it mean to say that it's a recension? ...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Feb 13, 2009 1:00 pm
Yes, thanks for this. I completely agree that there are very important areas of research that scholars disagree on, and that there is a range of opinions on...
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yennifmit
Feb 13, 2009 7:19 am
Hi Bart, Thanks for letting us know about John Brogan's work. Gerald just let me know that John's dissertation is focussed on the Gospels text of Athanasius....
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Feb 13, 2009 7:19 am
Nope, don't and never have! I think the composition as we have it is early second century (120 or so), although materials in it, of course, go way back --...
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Tommy Wasserman
tommywasser
Feb 13, 2009 7:19 am
... Absolutely. He has also chaired the Working with Biblical Manuscript Section (Textual Criticism) at SBL International Meetings for many years, the last...
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Andrew
abernhar
Feb 12, 2009 7:00 pm
Dr. Ehrman, Out of curiousity, if I may ask, does this mean you do not date the Gospel of Thomas to the first century? (I'm not attempting to bring up the...
