Folks, pre-suppose that a new NT Greek manuscript is found that is dated in the 12th century. What if there were two new variants found within that manuscript...
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Dr. Don Wilkins
sirtlf
Oct 3, 2008 8:42 am
I think we've discussed this before, but in any case, what you are describing strikes me as very similar to the controversy over the so- called Johannine comma...
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Robert Relyea
relyea94043
Oct 3, 2008 8:42 am
Ok I'll take a crack at the answer since I there are a number of real textual critics and some "amateurs"; who may was well be real TC's:) on this list who can...
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James Snapp, Jr.
voxverax
Oct 3, 2008 3:04 pm
Dear Eddie Mishoe: EM: "What if there were two new variants found within [a newly- discovered MS from the 1100's] that have no other attestation within the...
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Eddie Mishoe
edmishoe
Oct 4, 2008 8:21 am
There are passages in the New Testament that are difficult to reconcile with history, or just internally within the Bible. Some passages, such as when was...
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brian boland
brianjboland
Oct 4, 2008 6:37 pm
[Note by moderator: If you want to continue discussing this on-list, do so please with respect to textual variants only. Otherwise continue off-list or use the...
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James Snapp, Jr.
voxverax
Oct 6, 2008 2:37 pm
Eddie Mishoe: Sure; I can think of a few: (1) In the Alexandrian Text, Mt. 27:49 has a passage which states that Jesus was struck with a spear *before* His...
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Daniel
bucksburg
Oct 6, 2008 4:45 pm
... crucified him." The "third hour" would be 9:00 a.m. But John 19:14, describing a statement made by Pilate before he sentenced Jesus to death, says, "Now...
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Wieland Willker
blende7
Oct 6, 2008 4:47 pm
Please concentrate on the *textcritical issues* of these passages! Passages without variants are off-topic. Best wishes Wieland <>< ... Wieland Willker,...
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Eddie Mishoe
edmishoe
Oct 6, 2008 6:34 pm
Daniel: Try www.csntm.org then goto Manuscripts. Dr. Williker: I occasionally do not word my questions properly but ALL my questions are intended to avoid...
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Wieland Willker
blende7
Oct 9, 2008 3:51 pm
Dear friends, I have a question regarding the reconstruction of P.Oxy. 4448, which is NT papyrus P109. On the recto there are two "dots" after an Epsilon which...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Oct 9, 2008 7:32 pm
... From: "Wieland Willker" <wie@...> To: "Papy-list" <papy@...>; <textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008...
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Daniel
bucksburg
Oct 10, 2008 6:10 am
... Eastern church: John 8:3-11 was chosen as the lesson to be read publicly each year on St.Pelagia's day, October 8th. John Burgon first pointed out the ...
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diane
d_o_donovan
Oct 10, 2008 6:11 am
Can hardly wait. Thank you Chris for this. Â Diane O'Donovan ... From: Chris Weimer <chris.m.weimer@...> Subject: [textualcriticism] Oxford Hebrew Bible...
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codex_05
Oct 10, 2008 6:11 am
Will you allow a response from an obvious outsider, but one that has had a long standing interest in papyrology and palaeography and a former member of the...
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Wieland Willker
blende7
Oct 10, 2008 8:06 am
I have received new images and they look different. Have a look: http://tinyurl.com/3eu7g3 (new image at the bottom) Strange ... PS: Please note that the TC...
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Wieland Willker
blende7
Oct 10, 2008 10:15 am
Pope Benedict (AKA Joseph Ratzinger) held a Tribute Mass to Pope Pius the XII yesterday 9th Oct. 2008: Ratzinger cited in his homily from Pius' writings this: ...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Oct 10, 2008 1:45 pm
... Actually if there's anything that's continually incorrect, it's the claim made by PA supporters about that Metzger/Ehrman have made the claim above. What...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Oct 10, 2008 2:08 pm
Yes, I'd like to point out that I've written an entire article about the use of the passage -- or one like it rather -- in the writings of Didymus the Blind...
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Daniel
bucksburg
Oct 10, 2008 3:35 pm
... prior to the 12th century. The point is that the biblical commentaries on John (e.g., Origen!!) have no knowledge of it before then.<< I stand corrected,...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Oct 10, 2008 3:44 pm
Very interesting! Question: do we know which church fathers available in critical editions in the 1870s were known to refer /allude to the passage? -- BDE ...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Oct 10, 2008 4:30 pm
... Your assumption is that Hort had available to him all the data that Metzger and Ehrman now have available to examine. Are you able to support your...
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Daniel
bucksburg
Oct 10, 2008 5:43 pm
"Have you realised that the Pericope was apparently absolutely unknown to every Greek Father whose writings have been preserved, till Euthymius Zigabenus in...
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James Snapp, Jr.
voxverax
Oct 10, 2008 5:44 pm
The thing to notice, it seems to me, is that Metzger's statement that "No Greek Church Father prior to Euthymius Zigabenus (twelfth century) comments on the...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Oct 10, 2008 5:51 pm
Still interesting! But are you saying that no church father (prior, say, to the middle ages) known in the 1870s ever mentions the PA? If so, that's strange,...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Oct 10, 2008 6:10 pm
I think Metzger was making a specific point, and an important one. The scholars of the early and medieval Greek church who wrote commentaries on the New...
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Jac Perrin
jac.perrin
Oct 10, 2008 6:10 pm
Tommy Wasserman is giving a paper on this at SBL in Boston in November. It will be interesting to hear what he has to add to this fascinating subject....
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Wieland Willker
blende7
Oct 10, 2008 6:12 pm
Please distinguish between the story as such and the story IN JOHN. The earliest external evidence shows no knowledge of the pericope in John. The earliest...
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Bart Ehrman
behrman@...
Oct 10, 2008 6:27 pm
Yes, let me stress that Didymus end of fourth century, does not indicate that he found it in John, but in "some Gospels" (note, he does *not* say in "some...
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dwashbur@...
davidlwashburn
Oct 10, 2008 6:33 pm
Just to clarify, could this mean that he did in fact find it in John *as well as* some other gospels (I know some mss. have it in Luke) or could mean he found...
