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--- In testycopyeditors@y..., motelfromhell <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> have we truly migrated? or are we swimming around the same old
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What an odd coincidence. On nearly the very day testycopyeditors.org
is in business, this reappears out of the murk.

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I will keep this group open for a respectable time to steer folks
our way, archive that worth saving from the past three years, then
close it.

have we truly migrated? or are we swimming around the same old lake?

******Again, the forces of evil used
goodness-seeking missiles to cut down only great soldiers,
terrific fathers and loving husbands. Of all the relatives
of the soldiers killed in recent days in
Afghanistan, Devin Roberts seems to be the most
level-headed.***<br><br> Devin Roberts of Woodland, Calif., a Sacramento
suburb of 50,000, declined to comment yesterday on his
brother's death. "We would just like to mourn in peace," he
said.

Space is tight, and there's a war going on. Please: No more Page One stories
about Ted Koppel, and, certainly, none about Cokie Roberts.

bill_pitches said:<br><br>&gt; But if you want to
live in the middle of<br>&gt; nowhere (which would be
nice right now), I<br>&gt; can't think of a nice place
to be [than<br>&gt; Traverse City,
Mich.]<br><br>Hey, I said "edge of," not "middle of." Traverse City
isn't in the Upper Peninsula, after all.<br><br>That
aside, I agree with you; it's a *great* place to be. I
enjoyed the three months I lived there while working for
a nearby weekly.<br><br>My point remains, the
Record-Eagle seems to be winnowing down its applicant pool a
bit much by requiring its new editor to already have
had experience as an editor at a paper the same size.
How many editors with that kind of experience are
going to want to relocate to Northern Michigan for what
would be, at best, a lateral career move? Traverse City
isn't *that* special.

Michael E. Waller, publisher of the Baltimore
Sun, counters the argument that you can’t make
newspapers better by cutting their budgets by standing up
for the Los Angeles Times: “Millions of dollars have
been cut from the cost base of The Times in the past
two years, including some from the news department.
Yet there is no sane person who would argue that The
Times is worse; in fact, it is vastly
improved.”<br><br>***Call me crazy, but the Los Angeles Times is a mere
shell of what it was in the mid-90s. It is rapidly
becoming the Chicago Tribune, flagship of its new
corporate owner.***

But if you want to live in the middle of nowhere
(which would be nice right now), I can't think of a nice
place to be.<br><br>*** Only those whose careers are
stagnating or in decline, and are willing to move to the
edge of nowhere, need apply. ***

Dammit, Phil, if you're not going to do this
anymore, then I will. At least this once; this ad's hard
to resist:<br><br>EDITOR Live and work in Michigan's
most desirable lakeshore community. The Traverse City
(MI) Record-Eagle, an Ottaway Newspaper,
(30,000/43,000), has an opening for an editor with at least three
years of experience in the top editor job at a
similar-sized or larger newspaper.<br><br>*** Only those whose
careers are stagnating or in decline, and are willing to
move to the edge of nowhere, need apply. ***

blanp wrote:<br>&gt; 2. Put the National
Journalism Awards in the in-house newsletter, if
anywhere.<br><br>While I might agree with you in principle, I have yet
to hear of a newspaper (heck, any media outlet) that
could resist an opportunity to toot its own horn.

RE: <br>1. Unless Jeff Clinton is a cultural
icon, put him in sports where the people most likely to
care will find it.<br><br>2. Put the National
Journalism Awards in the in-house newsletter, if anywhere.
<br>****<br>By that logic, does Enron or the economy belong only
in the Business section, or the terrorist attacks in
the crime log?<br><br>There are certain events and
people that, because of who they are or what they cause,
thrusts them from their logical placement in the paper
and onto the front page. Sometimes it's not just
news, but newsworthiness or newsfeature value that
propels them to the front.<br><br>News is what we as
editors decide is news. If we say Dale Earnhardt (a
cultural icon) is worth page 1, then, guess
what...<br><br>You may argue differently and at your paper he may
rate the back of sports. <br><br>That's great. That's
what makes this business so wonderful.

1. Unless Jeff Clinton is a cultural icon, put him in sports where the people
most likely to care will find it.<br><br>2. Put the National Journalism Awards
in the in-house newsletter, if anywhere.

Talk about timeliness: Where should this
go?<br><br>BC-FL--APNewsAlert,&#61473;<br> HOMESTEAD, Fla. — Grand Am driver
Jeff Clinton
killed in practice at Homestead-Miami Speedway, team
officals said.<br><br>Or this?<br>CINCINNATI – The Scripps
Howard Foundation today announced the winners of its
National Journalism Awards...<br>DISTINGUISHED SERVICE TO
THE FIRST AMENDMENT<br>Orlando (Fla.) Sentinel. The
newspaper will receive $2,500 and the Edward Willis Scripps
Award trophy.<br>The Sentinel won for its legal battle
to gain access to autopsy photos following the death
of NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt. Judges praised the
Sentinel for a "head-on constitutional challenge to defend
the public’s right to know." Finalist: The Miami
Herald.

Ivan wrote: Please tell me that you're not saying
NASCAR appears somewhere other than the sports section
in your paper? Not that I really consider it much of
a sport, really, but if it has to go somewhere, it
goes there... doesn't it? ***<br>****<br><br>Here in
Orlando, we put NASCAR in news when they try to deny us
access to autopsy photos or when a favorite son dies in
a wreck that we reported a week earlier could have
been prevented or when we show how race deaths are
needless thanks to new harnesses that are now mandatory.
Results go in sports, generally.<br><br>Still, the fact
that Earnhardt's death drew so much interest and news
coverage shows that these stories don't belong ONLY in
Sports ("Sports. It's sports.")

"Flashing through the late afternoon light on the high banking of Daytona
International Speedway, the Winston Cup cars fly by like bright, kaleidoscopic
sparks that do not cool."<br><br>***Wow.***

By DAVID BAUDER<br>AP Television Writer<br> NEW
YORK (AP) … ABC's efforts to persuade David Letterman
to switch networks could set up a classic struggle
over whether entertainment or journalism is more
important at a financially struggling
company.<br><br>***Not really, David Bauder, since you're referring to
the premise that Letterman would replace Ted Koppel.
But don't insult our intelligence by suggesting that
there is the slightest doubt about which is more
important to ABC.***

> Is he really that bad? I can think of some
serious competition for that honor from the ranks of two
West Michigan papers alone.<br><br>Here's the lead
from one of those A1 columns. Judge for
yourself:<br><br>"Flashing through the late afternoon light on the high
banking of Daytona International Speedway, the Winston
Cup cars fly by like bright, kaleidoscopic sparks
that do not cool."<br><br>Leaving aside the question
"on the high banking... what?", that's just plain
bad.

And, of course, here in my part of the Midwest (I
won't say where) it practically takes an act of God to
get anything about NASCAR in the local paper.
Twelfth-string baseball catchers who had a fender-bender nine
states away might get mentioned, but not NASCAR. I asked
the sports editor about it once and he sneered, "This
isn't the South." That's why there's Speedweek, I
guess.

FlaGator_ wrote:<br><br>&gt; The opening of
"Speedweeks" brings about<br>&gt; a week of A1 photos, usually
accompanied<br>&gt; by a 45-60" column by what may be the<br>&gt;
worst living sports columnist in north<br>&gt;
America.<br><br>Is he really that bad? I can think of some serious
competition for that honor from the ranks of two West
Michigan papers alone.

>>Authorities say Bar-Jonah butchered the
boy’s body, then cooked the child’s flesh into stews
and other meals he served to unsuspecting
neighbors.&lt;&lt;<br><br>I would have assumed the "unsuspecting" part.

> Please tell me that you're not saying NASCAR
<br>&gt; appears somewhere other than the sports
section<br>&gt; in your paper?<br><br>We're about xxx* miles from
Daytona. The opening of "Speedweeks" brings about a week
of A1 photos, usually accompanied by a 45-60" column
by what may be the worst living sports columnist in
north America.<br><br>[* Actual distance omitted in
case said awful sports columnist gets wind of this
post. I'm not worried he's a member of this group, or
he wouldn't be quite so awful.]

Please tell me that you're not saying NASCAR
appears somewhere other than the sports section in your
paper? Not that I really consider it much of a sport,
really, but if it has to go somewhere, it goes there...
doesn't it?

> My point is that Iditarod stopped being
<br>&gt; interesting to the non-sled-dog public years
ago.<br>&gt; It's a sport, of a sort. Put it in the sports
<br>&gt; section.<br><br>Can I invite you to speak to my
superiors on the subject of NASCAR?<br><br>--<br>Steven
Otte<br>(who lives in the South, and therefore has no
hope<br>on this subject)

My point is that Iditarod stopped being interesting to the non-sled-dog public
years ago. <br>It's a sport, of a sort. Put it in the sports section.

Fearless leader wrote:<br>*** The Iditarod
sled-dog race starts this weekend. Please be advised that
its novelty wore off many years ago and therefore has
no news value except in Alaska and, perhaps, on the
sports pages. ***<br><br>I beg a thousand pardons to
disagree, but I must. Seems there's as much newsworthiness
in the Iditarod as there is in any event, be it the
Boston Marathon (also old and staid), the Winter
Olympics or the Daytona 500. There is no true "news"
value, merely newsfeature value to any of
these.<br><br>Hell, Congress meets every year, passes a budget almost
every year and has political discord daily. Why report
on this old hat news? Because it affects our
readers. <br><br>I'm sure the Iditarod, the Boston
Marathon and the Daytona 500 equally affect someone at
some level. <br><br>We're in the business of informing
people. Why stop at the Beltway? Places beyond D.C. and
New York generate news as well.

The Iditarod sled-dog race starts this weekend. Please be advised that its
novelty wore off many years ago and therefore has no news value except in Alaska
and, perhaps, on the sports pages.

I saw this headline in one of the British tabloids about Israeli transsexual
singer Dana International's early life a boy.

***OK, I think we've finally reached the bottom
of the barrel of "Danny" Pearl tributes now that
it's entered the totally imaginary phase.
RIP.***<br><br>Al Martinez says there aren't many people he can
talk nothing with, but "I think I could have sat in
silence with Danny Pearl." The Los Angeles Times
columnist says he could have laughed with the Wall Street
Journal reporter, too. "I'd have liked Danny Pearl,
because I'm sure that he valued the freedom of being able
to do the small things we hardly ever think of."

Apparently thinking his microphone was off and
the interview over, Wisconsin Gov. Scott McCallum
(left) called WJFW-TV reporter Matt Barrie a "dumb son
of a bitch." Barrie says of the aired remark: "I was
shocked. It was one of those things where you know what
you just heard but you are in shock. ... To have the
state's top official call me a 'dumb son of a bitch' just
because of a line of questioning -- I was offended." (Jim
Romenesko's Media News)<br><br>***Poor baby!***