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#26044 From: "reichstagfire" <jerry@...>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:46 am
Subject: Fascism returns? Controlled demolition on 9/11.
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Proof of controlled demolition at the WTC.
By Jerry Russell, Ph.D.  http://www.regena.com

Steel frame towers are built very strongly.  They need to withstand
the pressure of gale-force winds, the violent rocking motion of
earthquakes, and the ravages of time.  For this reason, they are
almost impossible to destroy.

Airplane strikes do not destroy skyscrapers.  A bomber strike to the
Empire State Building during World War II did not harm that
building.  The World Trade Center towers were designed to survive a
strike by a Boeing 707.  The 767 is more massive, so the building was
stressed near its design limits.  But if a failure had occurred at
that moment, it would have been at the point of highest levered
stress, near the base of the tower, and the tower would have fallen
over like a giant tree in a forest windstorm.  That, of course, did
not happen.

Fires do not destroy skyscrapers.  Never in the history of steel
frame structures has a single one been destroyed by fire.

How to destroy a skyscraper.
So, how do you destroy a skyscraper?  Suppose you need the vacant
land to build another one, for example.

A nuclear bomb is very effective, but it can be difficult to get
permits from the city.

An early invention was the wrecking ball.  A huge lump of steel and
lead is swung from a massive chain at high speed.   With the benefit
of momentum, it is able to bend or break a few girders at a time.
But it would be a hopeless task to destroy a tower the size of the
World Trade Center, using a wrecking ball.

The most effective, cleanest, safest way to destroy a skyscraper is
known as controlled demolition. The trick is to distribute explosives
at key points throughout the structure.  The explosives are detonated
simultaneously, destroying the integrity of the steel frame at key
points, such that no part of the building is supported against the
force of gravity.  The entire mass is pulled swiftly to earth, where
gravity does the work of pounding the structure into tiny fragments
of steel and concrete. The gravitational potential energy of the
structure is converted smoothly and uniformly into kinetic energy,
and then is available very efficiently to pulverize the fragments of
the building as they impact against  the unyielding earth.
Controlled demolitions have a striking and characteristic appearance
of smooth, flowing collapse.

As your eyes will tell you, the World Trade Center collapses looked
like controlled demolitions.  Here's the proof.

The proof.
According to the law of gravity, it is possible to calculate the time
it takes for an object to fall a given distance.  The equation is H=
(1/2)at2, where H is the height, a is the acceleration of gravity (10
meters per second squared) and t is time in seconds.  Plug in the
height of the building at 1350 feet (411 meters) and we get 9
seconds.  That is just about the length of time it took for the very
top of the World Trade Center to fall to the street below.  According
to all reports, the whole thing was over in just about ten seconds.

  It is as if the entire building were falling straight down through
thin air.  As if the entire solid structure  below, the strong part
which had not been burned or sliced or harmed in any significant way,
just disappeared into nothingness.  Yet this (within a small
tolerance) is what we would expect to find if there had been a
controlled demolition, because the explosions below really do leave
the upper stories completely unsupported.  Like the Road Runner after
he runs off the edge of the cliff, the entire building pauses a
moment, then goes straight down.

Any kind of viscous process or friction process should have slowed
the whole thing down.  Like dropping a lead ball into a vat of
molasses, or dropping a feather into the air, gravitational
acceleration cannot achieve its full effect if it is fighting any
opposing force.  In the case of the World Trade Center, the intact
building below should have at least braked the fall of the upper
stories.  This did not happen.  There was no measurable friction at
all.

This proves controlled demolition.

We have been lied to.
We have been lied to about this, at multiple levels.  The first lie
was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of
structural failure.   No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt
steel.  In point of fact, most of the fuel in the jets was contained
in their wing tanks.  The thin aluminum of the tanks was pierced or
stripped as the airplanes penetrated the walls of the towers, and the
result was the huge fireball which was seen on national TV, where
most of this fuel was burned.

A hot, vigorous fire would have blown out many windows in the
building and would have burned a red or white color.  This was not
what happened.  The fire in the World Trade Center was an ordinary
smoldering office fire.

But let's suppose that the fire was hot enough to melt steel.  What
would have happened in that case?  Before it breaks, hot steel begins
to bend.  This redistributes the forces in the structure and puts
elastic stress on those parts that are still cool.  The process is
asymmetric, so that the structure should visibly bend before
breaking.  But of course, no steel skyscraper has even bent over in a
fire.

Let's suppose the structure were sufficiently weakened that it did
fail catastrophically near the point of the airplane strike.  In this
case, the intact structure below would exert an upward force on the
base of the upper story portion of the building (the part that has
been broken loose), while any asymmetry would allow the force of
gravity to work uninhibited on the tip of the skyscraper.  Thus, the
top section of the skyscraper would tip and fall sideways.

If it did not tip, it would have ground straight down through the
building below.  The gravitational potential energy of the upper
stories would be coupled into the frame below, beginning to destroy
it.  The frame below would deflect elastically, absorbing energy in
the process of deflecting.  At weak points, the metal structure would
break, but the elastic energy absorbed into the entire frame would
not be available to do more destruction.  Instead, it would be
dissipated in vibration, acoustic noise and heat.  Eventually this
process would grind to a halt, because the gravitational potential
energy of a skyscraper is nowhere near sufficient to destroy its own
frame.

If the World Trade Center towers had been built entirely out of
concrete, they might have stood for awhile before toppling in the
wind.  But in that case, if they had collapsed straight downwards,
the energy required to pulverize the concrete would have slowed the
downward progress of the upward stories.  The gravitational potential
energy of the World Trade Center  was barely sufficient to convert
its concrete into powder, and for that to happen in an accidental
collapse would have been impossible, but would have taken a lot
longer than 10 seconds in any case.

How it was done.
The World Trade Center was leased by  Westfield America and Larry
Silverstein, on  April 26th, 2001.  Zim Israeli Shipping moved out of
the buildings around that time.  With a certain amount of shuffling
of tenants from floor to floor, it should have been easy (with all
the commotion and noise of remodeling) to plant explosives on several
floors; enough for at least a sloppy kind of controlled demolition.

There was more "magic" at work on 9/11, to produce the effects that
were seen on the TeeVee.

The events of 9/11, summarized.
Taken all together, the evidence suggests very strongly that the
attacks of 9/11 were fake terror, and quite possibly were a
collaborative venture of the Israeli and US governments.

Student pilots from Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations were enrolled
in flight schools in Venice, Florida and other locations.  The flight
school in Venice is linked to CIA drug running operations, according
to one researcher.

A recently leaked document from the US Drug Enforcement Agency
indicates that a number of  Israeli intelligence operatives
describing themselves as art students took up residences in close
physical proximity to the Arabs as they moved about the country.

The Arab flight students boarded the flights on 9/11. Did they intend
to hijack the airliners, and if so, for what purpose? Had the
Israelis played in any way the role of agent provocateur in
organizing whatever was planned?  It seems reasonable to conjecture
that the goals of these Arabs were opposed in some way to some US
Middle Eastern policy.   It would be very interesting to question the
Israelis regarding their knowledge of the Arab flight students.

At any rate, if the Arab flight students had been ordinary hijackers,
they might have taken the controls of the airplane, but their plot
should have quickly been foiled for two reasons.

First of all, the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft are probably equipped
with remote-controlled flight computers for purposes of hijack
recovery. This was stated by a British intelligence operative and was
also suggested by a former German secretary of defense.  The
technology needed for such systems is well known, and its utility is
obvious.  If these systems had been operative on 9/11, then they
should have been used to take control from the hijackers.

Secondly, the US air force has standard operating procedure to send
jet fighters to intercept hijacked aircraft within minutes after they
are reported. These fighters may be armed and are certainly very
maneuverable, and an airliner cannot hope to match them.

For these reasons, the Arab hijackers' mission should have been an
ignominious failure. These measures (as well as pre-9/11 airport
security measures) have been effective enough that hijacking has
rarely been a problem for many years now.

But on 9/11, the remote control systems were not used to bring the
planes home, nor did fighters scramble to escort.  Instead, the
airplanes executed highly skilled aerobatic maneuvers (well beyond
any known educational background of the Arab student pilots) and
crashed into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon.  If the
remote controls were used, who was operating them?

The World Trade Center towers are designed to withstand aircraft
impact, which they did for about an hour. Then they collapsed
directly to the ground, with remarkably little collateral damage to
surrounding buildings, in a manner strikingly resembling the
appearance of controlled demolitions.  The US government claims that
fire was responsible for the collapse, and this is certainly
possible, but many reports have overstated the likely heat of the
fire and the amount of fuel from the airplanes which was not consumed
in the fireballs outside the towers.

  If explosives had been planted in the World Trade Center towers,
they could have been used to trigger the collapse of the towers.
Building 7 was destroyed later in the afternoon. It was never hit by
any airplane, so there is no known reason (besides explosives) for it
to have collapsed into rubble.  However, a cloud of dust was seen in
the area of building 7 immediately before the collapse of the south
tower, which has not been explained.

While the whole attack was going on (a period well over an hour)
George W. Bush sat in a classroom and listened to a story about
goats, and the US military did not respond to the first three
attacks. A fourth flight  was also "hijacked" that day, but it was
apparently struck down by some sort of missile or bomb before
crashing in Pennsylvania.

Within hours, a massive media campaign to blame the attacks on Arabs
and specifically on Osama Bin Laden was begun, and this campaign has
continued to the present day.   Our traditional American form of
government, unfortunately, may not survive -- the Patriot Act appears
poised to supersede the Bill of Rights.

Given the many uncertainties about these events, it certainly seems
that there should be more questions, more investigations, and more
thoughtfulness about the responsibilities of the various parties
involved.  A little bit of logic will reveal that the Arabs alone
could not have been solely responsible for the entire chain of
events.  It is equally unlikely that the Israelis could have pulled
it off alone.  Yet instead the US government is gathering up support
for war against Middle Eastern nations, a tragic response to the
enigmatic events of that day.

Here are links:

Justin Raimondo http://www.antiwar.com

Michael Rivero http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Eric Hufschmid http://geocities.com/erichufschmid/index.html

Jared Israel http://emperors-clothes.com/news/albu.htm

Posted 3/28/2002 by Jerry Russell; Updated 3/31/2002

http://www.regena.com

The author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford
University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Oregon.

#26043 From: "reichstagfire" <jerry@...>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:43 am
Subject: Rebirth of Fascism? Proof of controlled demolition at WTC on 9/11
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Proof of controlled demolition at the WTC.
By Jerry Russell, Ph.D.  http://www.regena.com

Steel frame towers are built very strongly.  They need to withstand
the pressure of gale-force winds, the violent rocking motion of
earthquakes, and the ravages of time.  For this reason, they are
almost impossible to destroy.

Airplane strikes do not destroy skyscrapers.  A bomber strike to the
Empire State Building during World War II did not harm that
building.  The World Trade Center towers were designed to survive a
strike by a Boeing 707.  The 767 is more massive, so the building was
stressed near its design limits.  But if a failure had occurred at
that moment, it would have been at the point of highest levered
stress, near the base of the tower, and the tower would have fallen
over like a giant tree in a forest windstorm.  That, of course, did
not happen.

Fires do not destroy skyscrapers.  Never in the history of steel
frame structures has a single one been destroyed by fire.

How to destroy a skyscraper.
So, how do you destroy a skyscraper?  Suppose you need the vacant
land to build another one, for example.

A nuclear bomb is very effective, but it can be difficult to get
permits from the city.

An early invention was the wrecking ball.  A huge lump of steel and
lead is swung from a massive chain at high speed.   With the benefit
of momentum, it is able to bend or break a few girders at a time.
But it would be a hopeless task to destroy a tower the size of the
World Trade Center, using a wrecking ball.

The most effective, cleanest, safest way to destroy a skyscraper is
known as controlled demolition. The trick is to distribute explosives
at key points throughout the structure.  The explosives are detonated
simultaneously, destroying the integrity of the steel frame at key
points, such that no part of the building is supported against the
force of gravity.  The entire mass is pulled swiftly to earth, where
gravity does the work of pounding the structure into tiny fragments
of steel and concrete. The gravitational potential energy of the
structure is converted smoothly and uniformly into kinetic energy,
and then is available very efficiently to pulverize the fragments of
the building as they impact against  the unyielding earth.
Controlled demolitions have a striking and characteristic appearance
of smooth, flowing collapse.

As your eyes will tell you, the World Trade Center collapses looked
like controlled demolitions.  Here's the proof.

The proof.
According to the law of gravity, it is possible to calculate the time
it takes for an object to fall a given distance.  The equation is H=
(1/2)at2, where H is the height, a is the acceleration of gravity (10
meters per second squared) and t is time in seconds.  Plug in the
height of the building at 1350 feet (411 meters) and we get 9
seconds.  That is just about the length of time it took for the very
top of the World Trade Center to fall to the street below.  According
to all reports, the whole thing was over in just about ten seconds.

  It is as if the entire building were falling straight down through
thin air.  As if the entire solid structure  below, the strong part
which had not been burned or sliced or harmed in any significant way,
just disappeared into nothingness.  Yet this (within a small
tolerance) is what we would expect to find if there had been a
controlled demolition, because the explosions below really do leave
the upper stories completely unsupported.  Like the Road Runner after
he runs off the edge of the cliff, the entire building pauses a
moment, then goes straight down.

Any kind of viscous process or friction process should have slowed
the whole thing down.  Like dropping a lead ball into a vat of
molasses, or dropping a feather into the air, gravitational
acceleration cannot achieve its full effect if it is fighting any
opposing force.  In the case of the World Trade Center, the intact
building below should have at least braked the fall of the upper
stories.  This did not happen.  There was no measurable friction at
all.

This proves controlled demolition.

We have been lied to.
We have been lied to about this, at multiple levels.  The first lie
was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of
structural failure.   No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt
steel.  In point of fact, most of the fuel in the jets was contained
in their wing tanks.  The thin aluminum of the tanks was pierced or
stripped as the airplanes penetrated the walls of the towers, and the
result was the huge fireball which was seen on national TV, where
most of this fuel was burned.

A hot, vigorous fire would have blown out many windows in the
building and would have burned a red or white color.  This was not
what happened.  The fire in the World Trade Center was an ordinary
smoldering office fire.

But let's suppose that the fire was hot enough to melt steel.  What
would have happened in that case?  Before it breaks, hot steel begins
to bend.  This redistributes the forces in the structure and puts
elastic stress on those parts that are still cool.  The process is
asymmetric, so that the structure should visibly bend before
breaking.  But of course, no steel skyscraper has even bent over in a
fire.

Let's suppose the structure were sufficiently weakened that it did
fail catastrophically near the point of the airplane strike.  In this
case, the intact structure below would exert an upward force on the
base of the upper story portion of the building (the part that has
been broken loose), while any asymmetry would allow the force of
gravity to work uninhibited on the tip of the skyscraper.  Thus, the
top section of the skyscraper would tip and fall sideways.

If it did not tip, it would have ground straight down through the
building below.  The gravitational potential energy of the upper
stories would be coupled into the frame below, beginning to destroy
it.  The frame below would deflect elastically, absorbing energy in
the process of deflecting.  At weak points, the metal structure would
break, but the elastic energy absorbed into the entire frame would
not be available to do more destruction.  Instead, it would be
dissipated in vibration, acoustic noise and heat.  Eventually this
process would grind to a halt, because the gravitational potential
energy of a skyscraper is nowhere near sufficient to destroy its own
frame.

If the World Trade Center towers had been built entirely out of
concrete, they might have stood for awhile before toppling in the
wind.  But in that case, if they had collapsed straight downwards,
the energy required to pulverize the concrete would have slowed the
downward progress of the upward stories.  The gravitational potential
energy of the World Trade Center  was barely sufficient to convert
its concrete into powder, and for that to happen in an accidental
collapse would have been impossible, but would have taken a lot
longer than 10 seconds in any case.

How it was done.
The World Trade Center was leased by  Westfield America and Larry
Silverstein, on  April 26th, 2001.  Zim Israeli Shipping moved out of
the buildings around that time.  With a certain amount of shuffling
of tenants from floor to floor, it should have been easy (with all
the commotion and noise of remodeling) to plant explosives on several
floors; enough for at least a sloppy kind of controlled demolition.

There was more "magic" at work on 9/11, to produce the effects that
were seen on the TeeVee.

The events of 9/11, summarized.
Taken all together, the evidence suggests very strongly that the
attacks of 9/11 were fake terror, and quite possibly were a
collaborative venture of the Israeli and US governments.

Student pilots from Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations were enrolled
in flight schools in Venice, Florida and other locations.  The flight
school in Venice is linked to CIA drug running operations, according
to one researcher.

A recently leaked document from the US Drug Enforcement Agency
indicates that a number of  Israeli intelligence operatives
describing themselves as art students took up residences in close
physical proximity to the Arabs as they moved about the country.

The Arab flight students boarded the flights on 9/11. Did they intend
to hijack the airliners, and if so, for what purpose? Had the
Israelis played in any way the role of agent provocateur in
organizing whatever was planned?  It seems reasonable to conjecture
that the goals of these Arabs were opposed in some way to some US
Middle Eastern policy.   It would be very interesting to question the
Israelis regarding their knowledge of the Arab flight students.

At any rate, if the Arab flight students had been ordinary hijackers,
they might have taken the controls of the airplane, but their plot
should have quickly been foiled for two reasons.

First of all, the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft are probably equipped
with remote-controlled flight computers for purposes of hijack
recovery. This was stated by a British intelligence operative and was
also suggested by a former German secretary of defense.  The
technology needed for such systems is well known, and its utility is
obvious.  If these systems had been operative on 9/11, then they
should have been used to take control from the hijackers.

Secondly, the US air force has standard operating procedure to send
jet fighters to intercept hijacked aircraft within minutes after they
are reported. These fighters may be armed and are certainly very
maneuverable, and an airliner cannot hope to match them.

For these reasons, the Arab hijackers' mission should have been an
ignominious failure. These measures (as well as pre-9/11 airport
security measures) have been effective enough that hijacking has
rarely been a problem for many years now.

But on 9/11, the remote control systems were not used to bring the
planes home, nor did fighters scramble to escort.  Instead, the
airplanes executed highly skilled aerobatic maneuvers (well beyond
any known educational background of the Arab student pilots) and
crashed into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon.  If the
remote controls were used, who was operating them?

The World Trade Center towers are designed to withstand aircraft
impact, which they did for about an hour. Then they collapsed
directly to the ground, with remarkably little collateral damage to
surrounding buildings, in a manner strikingly resembling the
appearance of controlled demolitions.  The US government claims that
fire was responsible for the collapse, and this is certainly
possible, but many reports have overstated the likely heat of the
fire and the amount of fuel from the airplanes which was not consumed
in the fireballs outside the towers.

  If explosives had been planted in the World Trade Center towers,
they could have been used to trigger the collapse of the towers.
Building 7 was destroyed later in the afternoon. It was never hit by
any airplane, so there is no known reason (besides explosives) for it
to have collapsed into rubble.  However, a cloud of dust was seen in
the area of building 7 immediately before the collapse of the south
tower, which has not been explained.

While the whole attack was going on (a period well over an hour)
George W. Bush sat in a classroom and listened to a story about
goats, and the US military did not respond to the first three
attacks. A fourth flight  was also "hijacked" that day, but it was
apparently struck down by some sort of missile or bomb before
crashing in Pennsylvania.

Within hours, a massive media campaign to blame the attacks on Arabs
and specifically on Osama Bin Laden was begun, and this campaign has
continued to the present day.   Our traditional American form of
government, unfortunately, may not survive -- the Patriot Act appears
poised to supersede the Bill of Rights.

Given the many uncertainties about these events, it certainly seems
that there should be more questions, more investigations, and more
thoughtfulness about the responsibilities of the various parties
involved.  A little bit of logic will reveal that the Arabs alone
could not have been solely responsible for the entire chain of
events.  It is equally unlikely that the Israelis could have pulled
it off alone.  Yet instead the US government is gathering up support
for war against Middle Eastern nations, a tragic response to the
enigmatic events of that day.

Here are links:

Justin Raimondo http://www.antiwar.com

Michael Rivero http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Eric Hufschmid http://geocities.com/erichufschmid/index.html

Jared Israel http://emperors-clothes.com/news/albu.htm

Posted 3/28/2002 by Jerry Russell; Updated 3/31/2002

http://www.regena.com

The author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford
University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Oregon.

#26042 From: webbot <webbot@...>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Terror in America 2001] Re: My First Impressions
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Then you should know what the war is really about..It is
about the basic need for life "Water"..try this
link..--webbot

http://english.golan.org.il/ts.exe?tsurl=0.185.3048.0.0

franksalterego wrote:
>
> --- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "webbot20002002"
> <webbot@s...> wrote:
> > I am new here, but in reading the msgs, I see Nazi used
> as an
> > adjective for Israelis, blatant anti-semitism and some
> sort of
> > mystery surrounding the Pentagon crash..So let me ask a
> couple of
> > questions.
> >
> > If the Canadians or the Mexicans began terrorist raids
> on the U.S.
> by
> > coming across the borders and blowing themselves up
> "SPLAT!" and
> > taking dozens of citizens with them, what would you do
> in return,
> or
> > expect to be done? Now remember this is not an isolated
> incident,
> but
> > something you can look forward to daily as you go to
> work, church
> or
> > dinner out..
> =====================================================================
>
> If the United States were to expand it's borders into
> Canada and
> Mexico, kill them, bull-doze their homes, deport them,
> even though
> they were born here, assassinate the ones who dared to
> speak out
> against the artocities, destroy their infrastructure, and
> commit all
> the other atrocities committed by the Terrorist State of
> Israel
> against the Palistinians, don't you think the Mexicans and
> Canadians
> would be a bit ticked off?
> I would suggest, any Mexican or Canadian would be well
> within his
> RIGHTS to try to take you out while you were wolfin' down
> a burger at
> Mickey-D's.
>
> {•¿•}
>
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#26041 From: franksalterego
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:42 am
Subject: Re: My First Impressions
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--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "webbot20002002" <webbot@s...> wrote:
> I am new here, but in reading the msgs, I see Nazi used as an
> adjective for Israelis, blatant anti-semitism and some sort of
> mystery surrounding the Pentagon crash..So let me ask a couple of
> questions.
>
> If the Canadians or the Mexicans began terrorist raids on the U.S.
by
> coming across the borders and blowing themselves up "SPLAT!" and
> taking dozens of citizens with them, what would you do in return,
or
> expect to be done? Now remember this is not an isolated incident,
but
> something you can look forward to daily as you go to work, church
or
> dinner out..
=====================================================================

If the United States were to expand it's borders into Canada and
Mexico, kill them, bull-doze their homes, deport them, even though
they were born here, assassinate the ones who dared to speak out
against the artocities, destroy their infrastructure, and commit all
the other atrocities committed by the Terrorist State of Israel
against the Palistinians, don't you think the Mexicans and Canadians
would be a bit ticked off?
I would suggest, any Mexican or Canadian would be well within his
RIGHTS to try to take you out while you were wolfin' down a burger at
Mickey-D's.

{•¿•}

#26040 From: franksalterego
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:46 am
Subject: Re: My First Impressions
franksalterego
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--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "webbot20002002" <webbot@s...> wrote:
> I am new here, but in reading the msgs, I see Nazi used as an
> adjective for Israelis, blatant anti-semitism and some sort of
> mystery surrounding the Pentagon crash..So let me ask a couple of
> questions.
>
> If the Canadians or the Mexicans began terrorist raids on the U.S.
by
> coming across the borders and blowing themselves up "SPLAT!" and
> taking dozens of citizens with them, what would you do in return,
or
> expect to be done? Now remember this is not an isolated incident,
but
> something you can look forward to daily as you go to work, church
or
> dinner out..
=====================================================================

If the United States were to expand it's borders into Canada and
Mexico, kill them, bull-doze their homes, deport them, even though
they were born here, assassinate the ones who dared to speak out
against the artocities, destroy their infrastructure, and commit all
the other atrocities committed by the Terrorist State of Israel
against the Palistinians, don't you think the Mexicans and Canadians
would be a bit ticked off?
I would suggest, any Mexican or Canadian would be well within his
RIGHTS to try to take you out while you were wolfin' down a burger at
Mickey-D's.

{•¿•}

#26039 From: franksalterego
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:43 am
Subject: Re: My First Impressions
franksalterego
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--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "webbot20002002" <webbot@s...> wrote:
> I am new here, but in reading the msgs, I see Nazi used as an
> adjective for Israelis, blatant anti-semitism and some sort of
> mystery surrounding the Pentagon crash..So let me ask a couple of
> questions.
>
> If the Canadians or the Mexicans began terrorist raids on the U.S.
by
> coming across the borders and blowing themselves up "SPLAT!" and
> taking dozens of citizens with them, what would you do in return,
or
> expect to be done? Now remember this is not an isolated incident,
but
> something you can look forward to daily as you go to work, church
or
> dinner out..
=====================================================================

If the United States were to expand it's borders into Canada and
Mexico, kill them, bull-doze their homes, deport them, even though
they were born here, assassinate the ones who dared to speak out
against the artocities, destroy their infrastructure, and commit all
the other atrocities committed by the Terrorist State of Israel
against the Palistinians, don't you think the Mexicans and Canadians
would be a bit ticked off?
I would suggest, any Mexican or Canadian would be well within his
RIGHTS to try to take you out while you were wolfin' down a burger at
Mickey-D's.

{•¿•}

#26038 From: sweet_temptations_4you
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 6:36 am
Subject: Re: Israelis Slaughtering Palestinian Men
sweet_tempta...
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---BULLSHIT!!In terrorinamerica2001@y..., operation_enduring_desaster
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Holocaust - Reports Of Israelis
> Slaughtering Palestinian Men
> A Western journalist in Ramalla was interviewed by CNN by telephone
> 3-30-2
>
> Note - This message just arrived from a researcher and Israeli Army
> war veteran well known to this site who monitors CNN closely.
>
>
> He said that the Israelies came to his office and told 5
Palestinian
> mento lie down on the floor, face down, and just shot them down in
> the back of the head.
>
> CNN was very ethical today by broadcasting immediatly after that a
> telephone interview from the same office in Ramalla from their own
> coresspondent MICHAEL HOLMES who verified that he saw the same 5
> bodies being shot at close range dierctly in the back of the head.
>
> TO MY EXTREME SURPRISE, CNN correspondents continue to say that an
> investigation into this event should be carried out.
>
> It seems to me that the Israelis are conducting a wholesale
massacre
> of all Palestininans men.
>
> We heard this particular story ONLY because the massacre happened
> inside the western journalist's office. We do not know what happens
> in the rest of Ramallah...we do know that the Israelis are rounding
> up Palestinian men.
>
> I saw a CNN camera showing Israelis rounding up all men in the
> streets and taking them away.
>
> During previous wars, we rounded hundreds of presoners of war into
> small places and slaughtered them. This is no secret and Sharon is
> the #1 expert in this department.
>
> We are withnessing another Holocaust in front of our eyes.
>
> Later, the Israelis will say that all these men were just killed in
> the course of ordinary war.
>
> IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THE ISRAELIS HAVE CLEAR ORDERS TO KILL MOST EVERY
> PALESTINIAN MAN OVER THE AGE OF 14 AND UNDER THE AGE OF 45.
>
> http://www.rense.com/general21/holo.htm

#26037 From: operation_enduring_desaster
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:28 am
Subject: Breaking News from Palestine
operation_en...
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http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=2002033003384396

Latest Update: Israeli troops forced wounded Palestinians out of four
Red
Crescent ambulances and used them as human shields in Ramallah

Editor's Note: Following an Israeli security cabinet meeting today,
Israel
declared an "extended war" on the Palestinians, a war that doesn't
abide by
"geographic borders". The war has in fact begun. The
PalestinianChronicel.com will keep you updated around the clock. This
report
will be regularly updated with news as they happen. Make sure to
refresh the
page for newer updates.

Around the Clock Update:

-The Lebanese movement Hizbollah announced that it attacked Israeli
military
positions based in the occupied Sheba farms. No casualties have been
reported, but Israeli warplanes were seen attacking Lebanese army
positions
in South Lebanon. Hizbollah had earlier called on Arab governments to
provide military assistance and meaningful support for the
Palestinian
uprising

-Israeli troops forced wounded Palestinians out of four Red Crescent
ambulances and used them as human shields in Ramallah. Some of the
wounded
were ordered to strip naked in the freezing weather and were ordered
to
lie
down on the mud, as shown by televised reports.

-The Palestinian leadership welcomed the Security Council resolution
that
called on Israel to immediately depart the town of Ramallah, but
warned
that
the resolution has little worth if not implemented by Israel.

-Fierce clashes were reported again at the Presidential headquarter
in
Ramallah where Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is besieged with
several
Palestinian officials and resistance fighters. Arafat has no line of
communication with the outside world after Israel cut off
electricity,
water
and telephone lines.

-Palestinian activist Dr. Mustafa Barghuti conveyed a Palestinian
call
to
international peace movements around the world to surround Israeli
embassies
in protest of the Israeli massive attack on Palestinian civilians and
on
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

-Beit Jala is now under full Israeli army control after tanks and
troops
moved to the predominantly Christian city earlier in the day.

-Israeli army continues its movement into the Palestinian city of
Bethlehem
amid strong Palestinian resistance.

-Turkey calls on Israel to immediately cease its attacks on
Palestinians and
to withdrawal its forces from Palestinian cities.

-The UN Security Council voted unanimously approving a UN resolution
that
demands Israel to immediately withdrawal from the West Bank town of
Ramallah.

-Fresh clashes at the Presidential headquarters in Ramallah -- News
reports
indicate that Israeli soldiers are a few feet away from the room
where
President Yasser Arafat is besieged with some of his officials, with
no
water or electricity.

-20 Palestinian civilians gave themselves up to Israeli troops in
Ramallah
after the Israeli army surrounded a commercial center downtown the
city, Al
Manar. The Israeli army threatened that it would blow up the building
if the
civilians don't give themselves up. For an entire day, Friday, the
building
came under heavy Israeli firing and shelling wounding several
civilians
inside yet denying them medical aid.

-Israeli forces invaded the entire Palestinian town of Beit Jala.
Heavy
shelling and firing is reported in the predominantly Christian town.
Muslims
and Christians have jointly gone to the streets fighting the
advancing
Israeli tanks, according to reports. Officials in the city called on
the
international community to interfere. The town of Bethlehem is also
under
heavy firing as Israeli troops are attacking it from two directions.

-Two foreign civilians, U.S. citizen Adam Shapiro and Irish national,
Caoimhe Butterly are stranded in Ramallah Presidential compound.
Israeli
military have cut phone lines in compound. The foreign civilians have
related through text message that the Red Cross is urgently needed in
the
compound.

-Israeli army has threatened to blow-up commercial building in
Ramallah, at
least ten people are inside the building.

-Columns of Israeli occupation army tanks are occupying Bethlehem.
The
Israeli army is closing in on the Christian city from two directions.
Other
forces have moved closer to the refugee camp of Dehisheih and Beit
Jala.

-The Palestinian leadership protested the American government `green
light'
to Israel to carry out its assault on the Palestinian people and
population.

-Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is now trapped in the last room
in
the
second floor where is office is based in Ramallah. The Palestinian
leader
and top Palestinian officials are denied food, water and electricity.

-The secretary general of the Palestinian party Fatah in Jerusalem,
Salah
Zhikieh was arrested by Israeli police, along with dozens of
Palestinian
officials in the occupied city. The police also called the Mufti of
Jerusalem for interrogation by the police. Earlier the Mufti's home
was
raided and searched.

-A Palestinian fighter died when a bomb he held exploded in the
Palestinian
town of Jenin. It is not clear whether the Palestinian man was
intended
to
attack an Israeli target. Palestinian resistance movements called on
all of
its members to fight the Israeli invasion by all means necessary.

-A second Israeli soldier was killed by Palestinian fighters who were
defending President Yasser Arafat in his headquarters in Ramallah.

-UN chief Kofi Annan called on Israel to immediately cease its
attacks
on
Ramallah and to withdraw its forces from the Presidential compound.
Currently, an urgent Security Council is underway to discuss the
Israeli
assault on the Palestinians. Meanwhile, international condemnation of
the
Israeli attacks is growing. The United States however was one of a
few
western nations that failed to condemn the Israeli attack, saying it
needs
more time to assess the situation.

-Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is trapped with a few of his
associates
in two rooms in the second floor of a building where his office is
based in
Ramallah. The Israeli army cut off electricity and water from the
compound.

#26036 From: operation_enduring_desaster
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:26 am
Subject: Breaking News from Palestine
operation_en...
Offline Offline
 
http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=2002033003384396

Latest Update: Israeli troops forced wounded Palestinians out of four
Red
Crescent ambulances and used them as human shields in Ramallah

Editor's Note: Following an Israeli security cabinet meeting today,
Israel
declared an "extended war" on the Palestinians, a war that doesn't
abide by
"geographic borders". The war has in fact begun. The
PalestinianChronicel.com will keep you updated around the clock. This
report
will be regularly updated with news as they happen. Make sure to
refresh the
page for newer updates.

Around the Clock Update:

-The Lebanese movement Hizbollah announced that it attacked Israeli
military
positions based in the occupied Sheba farms. No casualties have been
reported, but Israeli warplanes were seen attacking Lebanese army
positions
in South Lebanon. Hizbollah had earlier called on Arab governments to
provide military assistance and meaningful support for the
Palestinian
uprising

-Israeli troops forced wounded Palestinians out of four Red Crescent
ambulances and used them as human shields in Ramallah. Some of the
wounded
were ordered to strip naked in the freezing weather and were ordered
to
lie
down on the mud, as shown by televised reports.

-The Palestinian leadership welcomed the Security Council resolution
that
called on Israel to immediately depart the town of Ramallah, but
warned
that
the resolution has little worth if not implemented by Israel.

-Fierce clashes were reported again at the Presidential headquarter
in
Ramallah where Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is besieged with
several
Palestinian officials and resistance fighters. Arafat has no line of
communication with the outside world after Israel cut off
electricity,
water
and telephone lines.

-Palestinian activist Dr. Mustafa Barghuti conveyed a Palestinian
call
to
international peace movements around the world to surround Israeli
embassies
in protest of the Israeli massive attack on Palestinian civilians and
on
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

-Beit Jala is now under full Israeli army control after tanks and
troops
moved to the predominantly Christian city earlier in the day.

-Israeli army continues its movement into the Palestinian city of
Bethlehem
amid strong Palestinian resistance.

-Turkey calls on Israel to immediately cease its attacks on
Palestinians and
to withdrawal its forces from Palestinian cities.

-The UN Security Council voted unanimously approving a UN resolution
that
demands Israel to immediately withdrawal from the West Bank town of
Ramallah.

-Fresh clashes at the Presidential headquarters in Ramallah -- News
reports
indicate that Israeli soldiers are a few feet away from the room
where
President Yasser Arafat is besieged with some of his officials, with
no
water or electricity.

-20 Palestinian civilians gave themselves up to Israeli troops in
Ramallah
after the Israeli army surrounded a commercial center downtown the
city, Al
Manar. The Israeli army threatened that it would blow up the building
if the
civilians don't give themselves up. For an entire day, Friday, the
building
came under heavy Israeli firing and shelling wounding several
civilians
inside yet denying them medical aid.

-Israeli forces invaded the entire Palestinian town of Beit Jala.
Heavy
shelling and firing is reported in the predominantly Christian town.
Muslims
and Christians have jointly gone to the streets fighting the
advancing
Israeli tanks, according to reports. Officials in the city called on
the
international community to interfere. The town of Bethlehem is also
under
heavy firing as Israeli troops are attacking it from two directions.

-Two foreign civilians, U.S. citizen Adam Shapiro and Irish national,
Caoimhe Butterly are stranded in Ramallah Presidential compound.
Israeli
military have cut phone lines in compound. The foreign civilians have
related through text message that the Red Cross is urgently needed in
the
compound.

-Israeli army has threatened to blow-up commercial building in
Ramallah, at
least ten people are inside the building.

-Columns of Israeli occupation army tanks are occupying Bethlehem.
The
Israeli army is closing in on the Christian city from two directions.
Other
forces have moved closer to the refugee camp of Dehisheih and Beit
Jala.

-The Palestinian leadership protested the American government `green
light'
to Israel to carry out its assault on the Palestinian people and
population.

-Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is now trapped in the last room
in
the
second floor where is office is based in Ramallah. The Palestinian
leader
and top Palestinian officials are denied food, water and electricity.

-The secretary general of the Palestinian party Fatah in Jerusalem,
Salah
Zhikieh was arrested by Israeli police, along with dozens of
Palestinian
officials in the occupied city. The police also called the Mufti of
Jerusalem for interrogation by the police. Earlier the Mufti's home
was
raided and searched.

-A Palestinian fighter died when a bomb he held exploded in the
Palestinian
town of Jenin. It is not clear whether the Palestinian man was
intended
to
attack an Israeli target. Palestinian resistance movements called on
all of
its members to fight the Israeli invasion by all means necessary.

-A second Israeli soldier was killed by Palestinian fighters who were
defending President Yasser Arafat in his headquarters in Ramallah.

-UN chief Kofi Annan called on Israel to immediately cease its
attacks
on
Ramallah and to withdraw its forces from the Presidential compound.
Currently, an urgent Security Council is underway to discuss the
Israeli
assault on the Palestinians. Meanwhile, international condemnation of
the
Israeli attacks is growing. The United States however was one of a
few
western nations that failed to condemn the Israeli attack, saying it
needs
more time to assess the situation.

-Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is trapped with a few of his
associates
in two rooms in the second floor of a building where his office is
based in
Ramallah. The Israeli army cut off electricity and water from the
compound.

#26035 From: operation_enduring_desaster
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:23 am
Subject: Only The US Can Stop Israeli Suicidal Plunge
operation_en...
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LaRouche - Only The US Can Stop Israeli Suicidal Plunge
3-29-2

After being briefed on Friday's developments in Ramallah, Lyndon
LaRouche, the Democratic Party pre-Presidential candidate in the 2004
elections, had the following to say:

There are clearly some people inside Israel--including Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and some leading figures within the Israeli Defense
Force--who are so zealous to plunge over the edge into a Masada
Complex suicide that they may be impossible to stop. If you cannot
stop someone who is so committed to dying, you must at least take
every step possible to make sure that they do not drag many others
along with them in their suicidal plunge.

LaRouche added, that, in this context, the United States government
must make it known, immediately, that if Yasser Arafat is killed by
the Israelis, the United States will break all relations with Israel.
Only by making such a public, unequivocal statement, can the United
States, at this late moment, reasonably hope that the Israelis will
listen.

LaRouche concluded by observing that the recent actions of the Sharon
government have been so extreme, that they make Adolph Hitler look
like a Zionist. ___

LAROUCHE IN 2004
PO Box 730
Leesburg VA
20178
www.larouchein2004.com

#26034 From: operation_enduring_desaster
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:20 am
Subject: The US Shadow Government And The Development Of AIDS
operation_en...
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The US Shadow Government
And The Development Of AIDS

By Boyd E. Graves, J.D.
boyded2002@...
3-30-2

In light of the recent realization of a shadow United States and
world governments, it comes as no surprise the current review of the
federal virus program is moving forward ever so slowly. Even still,
we the people are grateful that we can measure our progress in our
march for total disclosure of the program that made AIDS. We know the
government investigators are doing as good job as might be expected.
Imagine if it were you, someone comes into your office and shows you
a document that implicates your government in a manner that requires
you to defend the American people. What will you do and when?

When we presented the evidence of the federal program to the NIH (Dr.
Victoria Cargill), she gave it to the NCI (Dr. Alan Rabson). Dr.
Rabson provided that the authors of the 1971 flowchart were two
government scientists, Dr. Lou Caresse and Dr. Dick Rauscher. Dr.
Rabson subsequently alerted the people that 'he could not provide
leadership' in our call for review of this hidden federal virus
program. The reason is: Dr. Rabson, the current Deputy Director of
the NCI, was also a medical doctor in the development of U.S. Special
(AIDS) virus program. See, Progress Report #8 (1971) U.S. Special
(AIDS) Virus program (1962 - 1978).

Although Dr. Cargill located the secret program in the archives of
the NCI in May 2000, neither she nor Dr. Rabson have made public
comments concerning the program. It is because of this built-in
quagmire that a program as hideous as this, is allowed to continue
unabated.

For the record, the shadow government made AIDS in accordance with
the fifteen progress reports of the shadow program (1962 - 1978). The
1971 flowchart of the program is absolute evidence of design, purpose
and intent of the United States to create a virus. A "special" virus
that has an affinity toward the immune system of the Black
populations of the world.


History reveals a scientist, Francis P. Rous, discovered a 'warm-
blooded' retrovirus in chickens in 1910. He went on to receive a
noble prize and died in 1970. According to the narrative discussion
of the Special (AIDS) Virus program, in 1978, the AIDS development
program concluded that Rous' 1910 'sarcoma' was a product of
recombinate genetics. See pages 14 - 15, Progress Report #15 (1978),
U.S. Special (AIDS) Virus program (1962 - 1978). This is a startling
discovery and validates my "History of the Development of AIDS
chapter in my book, "STATE ORIGIN: The Evidence of the Laboratory
Birth of AIDS". It does appear that mycoplasmas play an essential
role in the neoplasia transactivation of AIDS.

To those of us who have downloaded the flowchart, look at the first
decision point (first Black box from left). The United States had to
have a virus particle as the first criteria for their "special"
virus. See, www.boydgraves.com/flowchart/. Virus particle is another
name for mycoplasma. See, "AIDS: An Explosion of the Biological
Timebomb", Professor Robert E. Lee, see also, e.g. "Emerging Viruses:
AIDS and Ebola: Nature Accident or Intentional?", Dr. Len Horowitz

Thwarting the excessive population of Africa has been a central theme
of the shadow government. They spent nearly an entire century testing
and molding the mindset of humanity. Homosexuals are nobodys,
Africans are scurrilous. It is no wonder we all believed that
homosexuals were getting what they deserved. What do we say to
African American women who are now the fastest growing group coming
down with HIV? The shadow government's assault on the African
(American) woman can not be taken lightly. Without our companions,
mothers and sisters, we are simply not as strong or responsive as we
are with them. We simply cannot allow a stealth United States to
operate outside the confines of the principles of freedom and justice
for all. We must work together to restore the Constitution and in
essence, improve the national security of our country.

The missing medical history will change the science and medical
industries into a more forthright and citizen friendly service for
the people. The intentional killing of thirty million people is the
greatest genocidal holocaust in the history of the world. But, they
operate diligently in the shadows to ensure you 'pay no attention' to
the facts and the truth.

The shadow government of the United States formed on May 1, 1776 and
on July 4, 1776 they formed a corporation, the United States of
America. In his over-population message to Congress, President Nixon
sounds the alarm that the United States must take 'immediate action'
to prevent the gross national product of the United States from being
overrun by the starving mouths of Africa. See, Nixon, July 18,
1969, "Special Message to Congress on the Problems of Population".
None of us were aware that at that very moment, Drs. David Baltimore,
Howard Temin and Robert Gallo were well underway in their hunt for a
contagious cancer that selectively kills.

The comb to vanquish the Black race has many teeth, some in shadows.

===== Boyd E. Graves,
US Supreme Court Case No. 00-9587
T - 800-257-9387
O - 619-229-9255
F - 785-263-1568
E - boyded2002@...
W - http://www.boydgraves.com

http://www.rense.com/general21/shad.htm

#26033 From: operation_enduring_desaster
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:17 am
Subject: Israelis Slaughtering Palestinian Men
operation_en...
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Holocaust - Reports Of Israelis
Slaughtering Palestinian Men
A Western journalist in Ramalla was interviewed by CNN by telephone
3-30-2

Note - This message just arrived from a researcher and Israeli Army
war veteran well known to this site who monitors CNN closely.


He said that the Israelies came to his office and told 5 Palestinian
mento lie down on the floor, face down, and just shot them down in
the back of the head.

CNN was very ethical today by broadcasting immediatly after that a
telephone interview from the same office in Ramalla from their own
coresspondent MICHAEL HOLMES who verified that he saw the same 5
bodies being shot at close range dierctly in the back of the head.

TO MY EXTREME SURPRISE, CNN correspondents continue to say that an
investigation into this event should be carried out.

It seems to me that the Israelis are conducting a wholesale massacre
of all Palestininans men.

We heard this particular story ONLY because the massacre happened
inside the western journalist's office. We do not know what happens
in the rest of Ramallah...we do know that the Israelis are rounding
up Palestinian men.

I saw a CNN camera showing Israelis rounding up all men in the
streets and taking them away.

During previous wars, we rounded hundreds of presoners of war into
small places and slaughtered them. This is no secret and Sharon is
the #1 expert in this department.

We are withnessing another Holocaust in front of our eyes.

Later, the Israelis will say that all these men were just killed in
the course of ordinary war.

IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THE ISRAELIS HAVE CLEAR ORDERS TO KILL MOST EVERY
PALESTINIAN MAN OVER THE AGE OF 14 AND UNDER THE AGE OF 45.

http://www.rense.com/general21/holo.htm

#26032 From: "webbot20002002" <webbot@...>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 4:40 am
Subject: My First Impressions
webbot20002002
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I am new here, but in reading the msgs, I see Nazi used as an
adjective for Israelis, blatant anti-semitism and some sort of
mystery surrounding the Pentagon crash..So let me ask a couple of
questions.

If the Canadians or the Mexicans began terrorist raids on the U.S. by
coming across the borders and blowing themselves up "SPLAT!" and
taking dozens of citizens with them, what would you do in return, or
expect to be done? Now remember this is not an isolated incident, but
something you can look forward to daily as you go to work, church or
dinner out..

In the mystery of the Pentagon crash, what happened to a complete
airplane and all the passengers if the detonation was by some other
device?..--webbot

#26031 From: "gogafax" <gogafax@...>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:06 am
Subject: Re: Proud US warriors
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ooops, sorry I just have noticed that in this group Email attachments
are still not permitted. So if you want to see it´s posted in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanholocaust/

#26030 From: <gogafax@...>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:54 am
Subject: Proud US warriors
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The "Spiegel", an important German news magazine wrote a very critical
article about the US intervention in Afghanistan.
Horrible terrorist attacks are answered with a war in Afghanistan that kills
even more innocent people and has no effect on prevention of terrorism.
International law like the Convention of Geneva or the treaty against biological
weapons are ignored. "Bad guys" in history like Noriega, Saddam Hussein or even
the Taliban were former US allies.
The "Spiegel" cover for this story shows the
nasty American Rambos fighting against the "Axis of evil"(at least for European
eyes). But Walker Bush falled in love
to this portrait of him and so the US embassy in Berlin ordered 33
large advertisement posters of this cover for the White House!
The cover taken from  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/americanholocaust/ posted
here as an attachment:
______________________________________________________________________________
Handeln wie die Profis, ganz ohne Risiko. Steigen Sie ein und erleben
Sie Berg- und Talfahrt an den Börsen unter http://boersenspiel.web.de

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#26029 From: "montgomery_rob_carl" <robmontgomery@...>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:26 am
Subject: Re: Give this one to the victim's families
montgomery_r...
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I'm sorry I sent you the wrong link

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "matt4uk2002" <bayleaf63uk@y...>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've only just joined so forgive me if this has been covered
before.
> A colleague just sent me the following web link
>
> http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
>
> ..which I found quite disturbing, and was wondering whether any of
> you had any comments? If anyone has pics to disprove the
implication
> that there wasn't a plane involved, please post.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., wildcatmolds <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-
> freespeech.com/evidence_farce.html

#26028 From: "Robert Montgomery" <robmontgomery@...>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:23 am
Subject: Re: [Terror in America 2001] Digest Number 2
montgomery_r...
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Howdy,

          It's all been debunked, go here http://www.truthorfiction.com/

          Good luck, Rob


    Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:02:24 -0000
    From: "matt4uk2002" <bayleaf63uk@...>
Subject: Re: Give this one to the victim's families

Hi,

I've only just joined so forgive me if this has been covered before.
A colleague just sent me the following web link

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

..which I found quite disturbing, and was wondering whether any of
you had any comments? If anyone has pics to disprove the implication
that there wasn't a plane involved, please post.

MattGet more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#26027 From: vito_8
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 12:49 am
Subject: Re: It Would Appear
vito_8
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franksalterego wrote:
I'm gonna' send you an e-mail to both the addresses I have for
you...Let me know if anything comes through.{•¿•}

Vito responds:

Looks like you guys own this place.
I think it's touching that gep trusts you enough to give you the
email address at the correctional facility he bunks in.
You both share so much in common that it's nice that you both stay in
touch.

#26026 From: "matt4uk2002" <bayleaf63uk@...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: Give this one to the victim's families
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Hi,

I've only just joined so forgive me if this has been covered before.
A colleague just sent me the following web link

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

..which I found quite disturbing, and was wondering whether any of
you had any comments? If anyone has pics to disprove the implication
that there wasn't a plane involved, please post.

Matt



--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., wildcatmolds <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-
freespeech.com/evidence_farce.html

#26025 From: "matt4uk2002" <bayleaf63uk@...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:26 pm
Subject: Pentagon attack
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Hi all,

I'm new to this group so forgive me if this has been covered before.
A friend recently emailed me this link:

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

..which I found quite disturbing, so I was wondering what others made
of it? Has anyone come accross any pics or anything which would shed
any light on the implications of this site?

Thanks,

Matt.

#26024 From: "matt4uk2002" <bayleaf63uk@...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: Give this one to the victim's families
bayleaf63uk
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Hi,

I've only just joined so forgive me if this has been covered before.
A colleague just sent me the following web link

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

..which I found quite disturbing, and was wondering whether any of
you had any comments? If anyone has pics to disprove the implication
that there wasn't a plane involved, please post.

Matt



--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., wildcatmolds <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-
freespeech.com/evidence_farce.html

#26023 From: franksalterego
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 8:41 pm
Subject: Well, Lookie Here
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I was goin' through my "history" files, under "clubs/messages, and
this group pops up...I thought it had vaporized in the transition.

Are we any closer to a resolution in the Mid-East conflict?..I've got
my fingers crossed.

MSNBC NEWS BULLETIN
Arafat seeks cease-fire
'We are ready,' leader says:
[url]http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp[/url]
ain't THIS a bitch...You can't post a workable link in this format?

{•¿•}

#26022 From: rseiler_1999
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 12:50 am
Subject: Re: Washington attack
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Have to agree to this one, my nephew watched the plane hit


--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "montgomery_rob_carl"
<robmontgomery@h...> wrote:
>        Howdy,
>
>        Try this link
>
> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
>
>          Good luck, Rob
>
> --- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., Bayleaf <bayleaf63uk@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new here so forgive me if this has been raised
> > before. A friend has just emailed me the following
> > link:
> >
> > http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
> >
> > ...which I found quite an eye-opener, and was
> > wondering what others thought of it? I've no doubt
> > that the attack was a terrorist act, but was it an
> > aircraft as we've been told, or a massive breach of
> > security at the Pentagon? I'll be interested to read
> > your observations...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®
> > http://movies.yahoo.com/

#26021 From: terrorinamerica2001@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:52 pm
Subject: New file uploaded to terrorinamerica2001
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#26020 From: "bayleaf63uk" <bayleaf63uk@...>
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: Washington attack
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Thanks Rob, I found that helpful.


--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., "montgomery_rob_carl"
<robmontgomery@h...> wrote:
>        Howdy,
>
>        Try this link
>
> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
>
>          Good luck, Rob
>
> --- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., Bayleaf <bayleaf63uk@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new here so forgive me if this has been raised
> > before. A friend has just emailed me the following
> > link:
> >
> > http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
> >
> > ...which I found quite an eye-opener, and was
> > wondering what others thought of it? I've no doubt
> > that the attack was a terrorist act, but was it an
> > aircraft as we've been told, or a massive breach of
> > security at the Pentagon? I'll be interested to read
> > your observations...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®
> > http://movies.yahoo.com/

#26019 From: "montgomery_rob_carl" <robmontgomery@...>
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:32 am
Subject: Re: Washington attack
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Howdy,

        Try this link

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

          Good luck, Rob

--- In terrorinamerica2001@y..., Bayleaf <bayleaf63uk@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new here so forgive me if this has been raised
> before. A friend has just emailed me the following
> link:
>
> http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
>
> ...which I found quite an eye-opener, and was
> wondering what others thought of it? I've no doubt
> that the attack was a terrorist act, but was it an
> aircraft as we've been told, or a massive breach of
> security at the Pentagon? I'll be interested to read
> your observations...
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®
> http://movies.yahoo.com/

#26018 From: Bayleaf <bayleaf63uk@...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:07 pm
Subject: Washington attack
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Hi all,

I'm new here so forgive me if this has been raised
before. A friend has just emailed me the following
link:

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

...which I found quite an eye-opener, and was
wondering what others thought of it? I've no doubt
that the attack was a terrorist act, but was it an
aircraft as we've been told, or a massive breach of
security at the Pentagon? I'll be interested to read
your observations...





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#26017 From: cybershadow3i9
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:44 pm
Subject: He's back...
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be afraid...be very afraid...lol Greetings to everyone in this club.
I mean everyone. Regardless of differance of opinion, I do not hate
anyone in this club. I have my opinions and allegences, and these
have not changed, and unfortunately neither has the status of the PLO
and Israel. I wish peace unto the world, but human arrogance,
violence and stubborness continue to get in the way. Maybe God or
Allah will come down and smite us all, then maybe we can start all
over again without the arrogance, violence, and stubborness. Peace
and happiness is where it's at, but we(humans) can't seem to find
that. Oh I forgot to add selfishness to our human ways, as ENROn
recently has shown(also sleazyness). cya 3I9.

#26016 From: vito_8
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: It Would Appear
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franksalterego wrote:
  I'm gonna' send you an e-mail to both the addresses I have for
you...Let me know if anything comes through.{•¿•}

It would appear that you guys finally have this place to yourselves.

#26015 From: wildcatmolds
Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 5:27 pm
Subject: Give this one to the victim's families
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