I think a case for Markan fatigue can be made in the story of the sending out of the apostles in Mark. I cannot treat the subject here in full, but let me ...
Maluflen@...
Feb 6, 2003 10:43 pm
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Leonard notes that Bruce W. Winter, in Philo and Paul among the Sophists (2nd edition, 2002, original 1997), p. 245, writes: "If there was any relationship...
Horace Jeffery Hodges
jefferyhodges@...
Feb 6, 2003 11:14 pm
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... This is not a problem, if I well remember, all examples of fatigue provided by Mark Goodacre does not fulfill all criteria defined in his article. Am I...
Emmanuel Fritsch
emmanuel.fritsch@...
Feb 7, 2003 10:36 am
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A couple more questions from _Rethinking_. First, Osborne again on p. 147: "It is said by Griesbach supporters that it is more likely that Mark collated...
Mark Goodacre
M.S.Goodacre@...
Feb 7, 2003 12:59 pm
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... I think not. the idea of "redundancy" is closer to "collation" than to "conflation". "Conflation" would have been related to "inconsistency". I go back to...
Emmanuel Fritsch
emmanuel.fritsch@...
Feb 7, 2003 1:26 pm
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... Let me make 2 points on this, as a narrative critic. The first is a personal pet peeve, the second is more substantive. i) The last sentence strikes me as...
Shawn J. Kelley
skelley@...
Feb 7, 2003 2:48 pm
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... Mark, I empathize with McKnight’s words. Although there certainly are many self-styled “narrative critics” that are interested in history and ...
John C. Poirier
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Feb 7, 2003 3:23 pm
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... Dare I ask who you have in mind here? There were some narrative critics who, at the very beginning, overreacted to the hegemony of historical criticism by...
Shawn J. Kelley
skelley@...
Feb 7, 2003 3:59 pm
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In a message dated 2/7/03 10:25:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, poirier@... writes: << A prime example can be found in Richard Hays’s attempts to turn...
Maluflen@...
Feb 7, 2003 4:02 pm
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Sorry I wasn't able to respond to John Poirier or Shawn Kelley's comments here. I just can't write fast enough to keep up with the thread. On ... p. 147: "It...
Ken Olson
kaolson@...
Feb 7, 2003 4:23 pm
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... I'm not exactly sure what "collation" connotes in French, but the connotation in English of "collation" that is relevant here is of carefully comparing two...
Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson@...
Feb 7, 2003 4:30 pm
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... Ken As is often the case, Eagleton is both a little bit right and at the same time oversimplified. The New Critics are at their best when they rejected a...
Shawn J. Kelley
skelley@...
Feb 7, 2003 4:51 pm
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In a message dated 2/7/03 11:21:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, scarlson@... writes: [responding to Emmanuel who wrote:] << >> Should "collated" and...
Maluflen@...
Feb 7, 2003 5:17 pm
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... Leonard, At present, this is mostly an explanation of Mark's text on the theory Mark used Matthew and Luke rather than an actual argument for Mark's...
Ken Olson
kaolson@...
Feb 7, 2003 6:17 pm
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Dear Shawn, I think our disagreement has mostly to do with what we mean by “history.” Just as narrative theologians use “narrative” to denote a...
John C. Poirier
poirier@...
Feb 7, 2003 6:31 pm
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... See C. M. Tuckett, THE REVIVAL OF THE GRIESBACH HYPOTHESIS: An Analysis and Appraisal (SNTSMS 44; Cambridge: UP, 1983), pp. 16-21. Stephen Carlson -- ...
Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson@...
Feb 7, 2003 6:35 pm
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... Thanks for the compliment, Leonard. Is the Watson article from the new book edited by Bruce Longenecker, from Westminster/John Knox (for which I recently...
John C. Poirier
poirier@...
Feb 7, 2003 6:36 pm
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I would resonate with Shawn's comments here. I have found that most literary critics are still very concerned with historical context. We just had Elizabeth...
Matson, Mark (Academic)
MAMatson@...
Feb 7, 2003 6:38 pm
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Dear Mark, Much of what I would say I have already said in my response to Shawn Kelley. I would add a couple of things. First, my bewilderment at Fish’s...
John C. Poirier
poirier@...
Feb 7, 2003 7:57 pm
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... John I'm still a bit puzzled by what you mean by 'alethiological' and 'prelinguistic understanding of truth'. I stopped reading philosophy a few years ago...
Shawn J. Kelley
skelley@...
Feb 7, 2003 8:19 pm
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... I quite agree. Donal Juel provides a nice illustration of the way those trained as source critics can miss important elements in the text. He discusses...
Mark Goodacre
M.S.Goodacre@...
Feb 7, 2003 8:42 pm
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... Well, you are right of course about the tension here. Fish's book "Is there a Text in This Class" is precisely the reason my friend asked the question....
Matson, Mark (Academic)
MAMatson@...
Feb 7, 2003 10:47 pm
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In a message dated 2/7/2003 4:45:28 PM Central Standard Time, ... You're right about the latter. Fish has been speaking for himself pretty thoroughly over the...
LeeEdgarTyler@...
Feb 7, 2003 11:10 pm
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For a very brief overview on literary criticism see message 2212 on the Johannine_Lit list's public archives that took place a little over 2 years ago. Fish...
John Lupia
jlupia2@...
Feb 8, 2003 12:05 am
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... Thanks Ed and Mark for reminding me that Fish is more nuanced than I was recalling. I usually give more credit to the postmodernists than most, and I...
Shawn J. Kelley
skelley@...
Feb 8, 2003 1:32 am
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... "Streeter and other Synoptic-porblem scholars think that you can't understand a text accurately unless you know its context and its tradition history. The...
Ken Olson
kaolson@...
Feb 8, 2003 2:13 am
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... So I think McKnight is presenting a quotation of sorts of what he imagines what a narrative critic would say, with two of McKnight's own glosses embedded...
Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson@...
Feb 8, 2003 3:17 am
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At 11:39 AM on February 7, Shawn Kelley wrote: (much snipped) ... practicing NT narrative critic that I know of.<< Shawn, I agree, but that would not be...
Ken Olson
kaolson@...
Feb 8, 2003 4:00 pm
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... Stephen, Your reading makes more sense to me than anything else I can imagine. It's still an ugly bit of writing. Best Wishes, Ken kaolson@... ...
Ken Olson
kaolson@...
Feb 8, 2003 4:01 pm
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The English text of sQ (the sayings source posited on the 3ST) is now available at the following page on my Web site: ...
