Most aggregators scan for changes once an hour, but in some situations we want to know immediately when a channel has changed. For example, we include "RSS...
dave@...
Jan 6, 2001 3:30 pm
927
Hi Dave, ... Interesting... How would you distinguish the RSS case from the general problem of caching and change notification for Web content? Would you...
Dan Brickley
daniel.brickley@...
Jan 6, 2001 4:32 pm
928
Thanks Dan.. Hammering-avoidance is very much on my mind as our servers are getting pounded by search engine crawlers in vast numbers and always at the worst ...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 6, 2001 4:52 pm
929
... Dave, this seems a lot like the changedPage spec which I've had out for months. Perhaps we can figure out a way for our systems to work together? ...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:40 am
930
Aaron, I just read the page carefully, and think I understand what's going on. What's missing is what we provide in the <cloud> element, a way of bridging RSS...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 3:00 pm
931
... That's true, there's no way to do it 0.91 -- in 1.0 you could use: http://my.theinfo.org/changed/1.0/rss/ ... Yup, looks perfect. I'll try to get an...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 3:04 pm
932
... Sorry that took so long, here it is: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/rss092/ -- [ Aaron Swartz | me@... | http://www.aaronsw.com ]...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 3:48 pm
933
OK, I must be doing something wrong. Here's the POST request I sent: POST /aaron/school/cp/ HTTP/1.0 User-Agent: Frontier/7.0b33 (WinNT) Host: swartzfam.com ...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 5:59 pm
934
... A firewall friendly service might allow for responding to notifications from a variety of sources, and then forwarding them by subscription. A client...
Ken MacLeod
ken@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:21 pm
935
... Sorry, I think the problem stemmed from an omission in the spec: items must be sent with a Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded. I've updated ...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:28 pm
936
Hmmm, nope, still getting the same error. Here's the request I'm sending now: POST /aaron/school/cp/ HTTP/1.0 User-Agent: Frontier/7.0b33 (WinNT) Host:...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:33 pm
937
... This is a definite use case for changedPage. The way I'd see it being done is the machine inside the firewall would call up the notifier, then it would ...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:35 pm
938
... Oops, sorry. What was I thinking? You're using the wrong syntax. When you want to subscribe to a feed, you use this syntax: ...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:37 pm
939
... Sorry, I meant "The syntax you were using is the one to send out notifications that a page has changed." I'm just not being clear today... -- [ Aaron...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:40 pm
940
I'm sure the spec is very clear, after you know how it's supposed to work. My dense mind gets very confused by all the %3A's and %2Fs. Too many miles on the...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:49 pm
941
It worked! http://www.scripting.com/images/successWithAaron.gif Yippee. Dave...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:53 pm
942
... Sounds perfect. As an example, for my test of the implementation, here's what I used: args.responder =...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:55 pm
943
... Looks good on my end too! Are you ready for me to send an update notification? -- [ Aaron Swartz | me@... | http://www.aaronsw.com ]...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 6:58 pm
944
No, not yet. The URL I sent was bogus. I have to do a little more thinking. Do you want me to mock up a prototype or bake this into our implementation? If the...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 7:00 pm
945
... It's probably better to bake it in -- take all the time you need. I'll be here when it's ready. ;-) -- [ Aaron Swartz | me@... |...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 7:03 pm
946
Offlist, Aaron and I got it working. I released the new bits to our testers, so now http-post is part of the SOAP-Meets-RSS spec. Thanks Aaron for a very nice...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 7, 2001 8:56 pm
947
... And thanks to Dave for his help and willingness to get this working. It was wonderful to work with you. Also thanks to Dan Lyke for helping test and refine...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Jan 7, 2001 9:05 pm
948
Hey Dave, You might be interested in one of the proposed work items for the IETF's WEBI working group (aka WREC) - we just had our first meeting in San Diego. ...
Mark Nottingham
mnot@...
Jan 8, 2001 6:08 am
949
Mark, the problem we're solving is the inverse of the one you are taking on. You're wanting to make the current browsing experience better. We're trying to...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 8, 2001 6:21 am
950
The application is different, but I think the problem is the same - there's a need for a way to describe a channel that pushes out messages that describe, in...
Mark Nottingham
mnot@...
Jan 8, 2001 8:02 am
951
When I started talking with Adam Curry late last year, he wanted me to think about high quality video on the Internet, and I totally didn't want to hear about...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 11, 2001 5:32 pm
952
I think this is a truly inspired addition to RSS and will help us in our use of syndicated data no end. I can't wait to get going with it. One thought though....
David Davies
d.a.davies@...
Jan 12, 2001 2:07 am
953
I also like the payload idea. I was just thinking that it might be an interesting email format too, since it would avoid the problem of overly large...
Jeff Barr
jeff@...
Jan 12, 2001 6:30 am
954
Interesting. Good addition, Dave - this is redefining what a channel is, which should make RSS better/stronger. Thinking aloud, channel discrimination might go...
Mark Nottingham
mnot@...
Jan 12, 2001 6:57 am
955
Mark, I'm going to respond on the Syndication list only. We have a new concept that I haven't seen elsewhere, for lack of a better term, we're calling it a...
