Simon
Very glad to hear it - congratulations and very best wishes to all the
family!
John Mills & Mark Taylor
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Sincere apologies to all those who will think this is an inapproprite use
of the list, but its the easiest way for me to pass on the news to all
those of you who know me.
I'm VERY glad to say that my wife Heather gave birth to Jonathan Philip
Andrew Stevens at 11.22am on Sunday 16th September. He was 7lbs 11oz and
mother and baby are both doing well.
Cheers,
Simon.
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The Sussex Past HQ has today received a fax advertising places still
available on a practical archaeology weekend in Dover on 13th/14th October
2001. Workshops will run in Bronze Age metal-working and wood-working.
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Hi,
I have just joined this group and wish to know if there are any training courses
coming up in the next year giving a practical introduction to archaeology in the
field.
Many thanks,
Dave Worsell
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Hello
I am looking for any information regarding Michelgrove (spelling?) House
which apparently used to exist in the area of Long furlong, North of Clapham
wood, nr Findon, West Sussex (Explorer map 121) ref:105 077.
I met a very interesting local character today who has a hundred stories
about the area around Lancing and Sompting. His quest is to discover the
history of this property, I would be very grateful for any help I recieve to
be able pass on to my new friend.
--
regards
Ray Hamblett
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Hello Ray,
Michelgrove House was the home of the Shelley family, distant ancestors
of the poet Percy Bysshe. I have written a short history of the
Shelleys of Michelgrove in "The Shelleys of Field
Place", published in 2000 by Horsham Museum Society, price £10, and
available from Horsham Museum or through me. This is the most extensive
and up to date survey of the family history.
If you live in Sussex you might be able to find a copy to look at
through your local library. There are several references to
Michelgrove in the Sussex Archeological Collections - in
Vol. LXXI, there is a long article on the Tompkins Diaries, written by
two of the Tompkins family who were Sir John Shelley's land agents at
Michelgrove, which give very full details of
the running of the estate.
Regards,
Sue Djabri
Ray Hamblett wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am looking for any information regarding Michelgrove (spelling?) House
> which apparently used to exist in the area of Long furlong, North of Clapham
> wood, nr Findon, West Sussex (Explorer map 121) ref:105 077.
>
> I met a very interesting local character today who has a hundred stories
> about the area around Lancing and Sompting. His quest is to discover the
> history of this property, I would be very grateful for any help I recieve to
> be able pass on to my new friend.
>
> --
>
> regards
> Ray Hamblett
>
> mailto:hamblett@...
>
>
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Hi Dave,
In addition to anything that SAS can offer (and they usually have good things
going on) can I also suggest that you contact David Rudling on
D.rudling@...
for anything that UCL and Archaeology South East is running. I've been on
some good things with them as well.
Regards (and good digging)
Mike West.
Apologies if this is not fresh news to everyone, but I have not seen anything
of it in the discussion group so far.
Peter died in Turkey after a short illness on 26th September. His funeral was
held privately on the 9th October. There will be a 'memorial celebration'
for his life in the Great Roundhouse at Butser Ancient Farm on Saturday 27th
October at 2.00 PM.
Peter was a maverick spirit in the field of archaeology, but his tenacious
belief in the need to question and test every accepted theory or dogma is
something that we should all strive to carry with us - and to practice. His
force of character, persuasive voice, and immaculate style of argument were
rare - and very powerful. If you did not agree with him, you equally did not
ignore him. Not often do we lose someone that is unique - but I think we have
here.
Mike West.
Hello
Is 'Trickle' or 'Triggle' known as a local name for Flint, which in turn has
led to the legend of the 'Sompting Treacle mines'
--
regards
Ray Hamblett
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for training courses in archaeology, consider University of Sussex Centre for
Continuing Education (CCE), phone number 01273 678040. Various 10 and 20 week
courses in towns around Sussex "accredited" courses
. Also for study towards a Certificate in Practical Archaeology or other
qualifications, various courses, in Brighton (at Sussex University), Chichester
and some in Hastings.
If you are really keen you might just squeeze into courses that began two weeks
ago everywhere.
Caroline Wells
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Re Ray Hamblett's query
Michelgrove House, Patching, OS map ref. TQ 0818 0837: from West Sussex
SMR: "Ruins of Michelgrove, which was one of the largest and most famous
houses in Sussex, and was the home of the Shelley family from the late 15th
century to 1800. Probably built c 1540 and demolished c. 1828. The only
remnant is a castellated wall faced with Roman cement. (Min. of Housing &
Local Govt Provisional List 2065/11/A Jan 1953, 23, Worthing RD, EMP
(initials of officer), Ordnance Survey, 2-4-63.).
"As described above, the sole remains of Michelgrove is a 20.0m stretch of
castellated brick walling centred at TQ 0815 0835, containing three blocked
four-centre arched gateways, with a castellated octagonal tower at one end.
The outer, west, face of tower and walling is rendered with cement.
"The Gothic style of architecture dates the remains to a rebuilding of c
1800. ASP, OS, 16-9-71."
JM- The Ruins of Michelgrove are Listed, Grade II - : "Michelgove was one
of the largest and most famous houses in the County and was the home of the
Shelley family from the late C15 to 1800. It was probably built about 1540
by Sir William Shelley, Justice of the Common Pleas, but was altered and
enlarged by Sir John Shelley in the C18 and by Richard Walker of Liverpool
between 1800 and 1828. In 1828 it was purchased by the 12th Duke of Norfolk
and soon afterwards demolished by him. The magnificent staircase inserted
by Richard Walker is said to have been moved by him to Burton Park, nr
Petworth, which was rebuilt at that period. The only remains of the house
on the spot consist of a castellated wall built of red brick faced with
Roman cement with 3 blocked 4-centred archways with dripstones over and at
the north end a squat octagonal turret with castellated parapet. This is
all probably part of one of the ls. flanking wings or pavilions added to or
altered at the time of the C18 or early C19 alterations to the house". (DoE
List, Arun, 10/53, Patching).
Also
nos. 304, 305, 306 Michelgove Cottages, Listed, Grade II: "Originally the
Stables of Michelgrove. Later Norfolk Estate numbers. Early C19 building. 2
storeys. 7 windows. Red brick and grey headers alternately. Parapet-hipped
slate roof. Glazing bars intact. The 3 centre window bays on the north side
project with a higher parapet over but the centre window bay of the three
is recessed within the projection in a round-headed arch rising to the
height of 2 storeys. At east end of the building is a 1-storey wing
projecting to form a courtyard enclosed on the 4th side by a flint wall
along the bank of the field adjoining which is at a higher level." (DoE
List, Arun, 10/54, Patching).
Also
TQ 081 083 - ice house, Michelgrove, Patching
Possible type 2 ice house, in fair condition, rectangular chamber 2.85m x
3.5m, c. 28 cubic metres with brick walls. Straight and level passage, 1.7m
long with two doors and brick walls. It is 100m from an ice source and 50m
from the house. It was built into an earlier retaining wall probably
between 1801 and 1829 and subsequently altered to incorporate the entrance
passage. There is a roof trap and the ice house was later used as a coal
store. (Ron Martin, "Ice Houses in Sussex", Sussex Industrial History Issue
24, 1994, p.20, with sketch plan and section).
Also
Centred TQ 0818 0837: Michelgrove deer park.
Michelgrove mansion house and deer park referred to in E Cartwright, The
Parochial Topography of the Rape of Bramber Vol. 2, part 2, 1830, p. 81.
(WSCC note: "Park shown on OS map 1832 but it is not shown on any of the
other plans reproduced in Phillimore's series of old maps".)
Also
Clock Tower, formerly dovecote, Michelgrove, Patching, TQ 0810 0798.
Shown on OS 6" map of 1962.
"The pigeon house south of Michelgrove still remains, though it is now in
ruins and known as the Clock Tower. There is no record of construction but
it was obviously prior to 1768, and it continued as a pigeon house as late
as 1796. The third storey may have been erected after 1800 possibly to
accommodate a clock. Dismantled 1828. (GW Eustace, "The Tompkins Diary",
Sussex Arch Colls 71, 1930, pp. 15- 16 with photo (and other info about
Michelgrove and Shelleys)).
" A square building with sides 6.4m long, which stands to a height of
approx. 35 ft. It is constructed of flint nodules faced on the interior
above the height of 10 ft with bricks. It had originally four arched
entrances, the two on the north and east nearly destroyed. From 10 ft to 25
ft the interior has been lined with brick pigeon cells, and from 25 to 35
ft the building consists of a clock-tower, which is an obvious addition.
(JR, OS, 25-4-1952).
"The structure has been pulled down and is reduced to a weed-covered mound
of flints and red bricks. The site is within a Forestry Commission fir
plantation." (ASP, OS, 4-10-71).
I had not realised that Michelgrove was so interesting!! Apparently nearby
Myrtlegrove House is thought to have been built by the Duke when
Michelgrove was demolished.
Hope that the above is of use.
John Mills, Archaeologist
West Sussex County Council
Ray Hamblett <hamblett@...> on 11/10/2001 17:56:22
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Hello
I am looking for any information regarding Michelgrove (spelling?) House
which apparently used to exist in the area of Long furlong, North of
Clapham
wood, nr Findon, West Sussex (Explorer map 121) ref:105 077.
I met a very interesting local character today who has a hundred stories
about the area around Lancing and Sompting. His quest is to discover the
history of this property, I would be very grateful for any help I recieve
to
be able pass on to my new friend.
--
regards
Ray Hamblett
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I got this e-mail does anybody have any idea or photographs of this
Thanks
MArk
Hi Mark
Whilst surfing to see if I could find reference as to why the "Long Man" had
a flourescent (high-visibilty) green hat on today I came acrossyour web
site; any ideas ??
The barman in the local pub suggested it might be a pagan group's attempt to
bring about peace in the current Afgan situation but the concensus in the
pub seemed to politely disagree with that ..
I'd be interested to know your opinion or even better .. a definitive answer
Regards
Stuart
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does anyone have any suggestions as to where i might be able to do something
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>Hello
Is 'Trickle' or 'Triggle' known as a local name for Flint, which in turn
has
led to the legend of the 'Sompting Treacle mines'
--
regards
Ray Hamblett
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Hello,
I didn't know that ! I always thought "Treacle Mines" came from the Goon
Show. (No reason for the latter, just assumed it came from television or
radio.)
Can anybody confirm the local names for flint ?
Cheers
Andy Horton.
The chalkpits at Offham, north of Lewes, were referred to by old
locals as the 'Treacle mines'. I have never thought to ask why?
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I know my father made reference to treacle mines but I believe it was a
joke.
Allen
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From: "Andy Horton" <bmlss@...>
To: <sussexpast@yahoogroups.com>
> Is 'Trickle' or 'Triggle' known as a local name for Flint, which in turn
> has
> led to the legend of the 'Sompting Treacle mines'
> --
We have known about Treacle Mines in Worthing for some time.
From catalogue card of photograph of Alf longley in unifrom during WWI:
Mr Alfred Longley wrote stories about a character called Jimmy Smuggles and
the treacle wells of Ham Magna (aka East Worthing). His drawings are in the
library.
I have taken the liberty of copying the following from Dr Sally White's
correspondence:
'Alf Longley wrote quite a lot about the local mines, information passed to
him by Jimmy Smuggles, who lived somewhere in Ham Magna. Jimmy Smuggles was
the inventor of the overland submarine. The mines were in Sompting and
porridge was extracted as well as treacle.
For many years we had a large collection of Alf Longley's Smuggles drawings
here, but they are now in the Reference Library in Richmond Road. They do
include illustrations; such rarities as the new liquorice moon avoider and
the twin-spooned treacle flies.'
There is a website for Treacle Miners at www.treaclemine.freeserve.co.uk
Hope this helps,
Carol
Mike
Thank you for putting this on the list. For myself, I had not heard of this
terrible loss.
If I may give a personal memory...
Last year, April/May 2000, I spent a month working at Butser as a volunteer
as 'placement' for my MA. In that short time I came to respect and admire
Peter, indeed I became 'corrupted' by many of his views and opinions on the
past and how we relate to it. I have fond memories of digging trenches for
the new geophys testing/training area there, with Peter sometimes laying
bricks about two inches away from where I was mattocking. I had hoped to go
back as a volunteer this year but, due to moving house nad organising my
wedding, I never had the time. There is an irony in the fact I sent him a
letter in mid-September, aplogising for not being there this year and
offering my services in the new year-I missed the place and Peter.
I cannot go to the memorial on 27th as I am getting married that day,
however I intend to propose a toast at the wedding meal to his memeory.
I can only hope that Butser will carry on, though how anyone can take
Peter's place is beyond me
Jason Finch
Horsham Museum
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Sent: 11 October 2001 22:32
To: sussexpast@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sussexpast] Death of Dr Peter Reynolds
Apologies if this is not fresh news to everyone, but I have not seen
anything
of it in the discussion group so far.
Peter died in Turkey after a short illness on 26th September. His funeral
was
held privately on the 9th October. There will be a 'memorial celebration'
for his life in the Great Roundhouse at Butser Ancient Farm on Saturday 27th
October at 2.00 PM.
Peter was a maverick spirit in the field of archaeology, but his tenacious
belief in the need to question and test every accepted theory or dogma is
something that we should all strive to carry with us - and to practice. His
force of character, persuasive voice, and immaculate style of argument were
rare - and very powerful. If you did not agree with him, you equally did not
ignore him. Not often do we lose someone that is unique - but I think we
have
here.
Mike West.
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Hello
As well as 'Triggle and trickle', Try also 'Treggle' or 'Treckle' or any
other similar sound.
Say it with a sussex accent !
--
regards
Ray Hamblett
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The Long Man of Wilmington was not wearing a hat, but a blindfold, yesterday
(Thursday 11 October).
This was a publicity stunt arranged as part of World Sight Day by Sight
Savers International, a charity local to Sussex.
World Sight Day was calling for sight to become a basic human right to stop
millions of people going needlessly blind each year. 45 million people are
apparently blind worldwide, yet the charity states that 80% of this
blindness could be cured or prevented with access to simple medical
treatments, clean water and nutritious food.
The event was filmed by BBC South East Today, but did not make the final cut
for yesterday's programme. Reporters and photographers from The Argus,
Eastbourne Herald/Gazette and the Sussex Express were also in attendance.
Unfortunately the event was slightly affected by the rain and mist, but The
Sussex Archaeological Society was happy to show its support for World Sight
Day and let Sight Savers International use The Long Man in this way.
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His people did even more. Children disappeared, were taken away to Upsaland, and
after they had been brought up in his pernicious doctrines, were sent back.
11. "When these pretended prisoners had learned our language, they persuaded the
dukes and nobles that they should become subject to the Magy - that then their
sons would succeed to them without having to be elected.
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Dear Victoria,
The Sussex Archaeological Society will be running at least one fieldwork
project with a training element next summer in addition to fieldwalking
later this winter. There is currently some outstanding work to be done on
processing some of the finds from the Society's excavations at Norton -
please contact me on research@... if you would like to get
involved in any of the above
Gabor Thomas, Research Officer
Sussex Past/Sussex Archaeological Society
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To: <sussexpast@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: [sussexpast] work experience ?
> hi,
> i am hoping to do archaeology for a degree course. i would be interested
in
> doing some archaeology-related work experience somewhere, during my last
> year of college.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions as to where i might be able to do
something
> ??
> i am quite interested in consernvation of artifacts etc.. so maybe a
museum.
>
> Also, does anyone know of ways i could get involved with excavations
etc..,
> thanks,
>
> Vic.
>
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No, but the Readers Digest Illustrated Guide to Britain's Coast (p. 102) has
a photo of the Long Man with additions which leave no doubt as to his gender
(though he is not as spectacularly endowed as the Cerne giant!). The photo
was taken in 1994.
Tim Locke
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> From: "Mark" <mark@...>
> Reply-To: sussexpast@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:36:12 +0100
> To: <sussexpast@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [sussexpast] Wilmington Long Man
>
>
> I got this e-mail does anybody have any idea or photographs of this
>
> Thanks
>
> MArk
>
>
> Hi Mark
>
> Whilst surfing to see if I could find reference as to why the "Long Man" had
> a flourescent (high-visibilty) green hat on today I came acrossyour web
> site; any ideas ??
>
> The barman in the local pub suggested it might be a pagan group's attempt to
> bring about peace in the current Afgan situation but the concensus in the
> pub seemed to politely disagree with that ..
>
> I'd be interested to know your opinion or even better .. a definitive answer
>
> Regards
> Stuart
>
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When I was growing up in Ashford, Kent in the 60s my parents talked about
the treacle mines, referring to a disused brickworks in the countryside
between Ashford and Rye - I assumed it was just a childrens' tale or joke
(but the place was within a mile or two of the flint area of the North
Downs...).
Anne
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> From: Ray Hamblett <hamblett@...>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:32:19 +0100
> To: "sussexpast@yahoogroups.com" <sussexpast@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [sussexpast] Treacle mines !
>
> Hello
>
> Is 'Trickle' or 'Triggle' known as a local name for Flint, which in turn has
> led to the legend of the 'Sompting Treacle mines'
> --
>
> regards
> Ray Hamblett
>
> mailto:hamblett@...
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on 12/10/01 1:13 pm, Carol Warrington at Carol.Warrington@...
wrote:
> We have known about Treacle Mines in Worthing for some time.
Hello
Thanks Carol for that. Very interesting
I was sincerely trying to establish if there were a grain of truth to the
story I was told, but I accept that it is possible that I am the victim of a
wind up. Nothing against humour but I have no deliberate intention of
perpetuating a hoax.
regards
Ray Hamblett
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The treacle well, of course, featured in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland,
written c1862, published 1865. At the Tea party the Dormouse told the story
of the well. It was inhabited by Elsie, Lacie and Tillie, (probably to be
taken for his young friends Lorina, Alice, and Edith) who lived at the
bottom of the well, and were learning to draw treacle, what else? Lewis
Carroll lived in Cheshire, Yorkshire and Oxford before 1862, so he must have
picked the idea up from somewhere other than Sussex. Are there any mentions
of Sussex treacle mines or wells before 1865?
The true treacle mines are, of course at Tovil near Maidstone...
Seriously, though, remember the (in)famous "Treacle Bible" which read "There is
treacle in Gilead..."
"Treacle" is not in these instances a sticky confection, but a healing balm.
Many such names seem to have their roots in holy wells/springs.
-Karl
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The true treacle mines are, of course at Tovil near Maidstone...
Seriously, though, remember the (in)famous "Treacle Bible" which read "There is
treacle in Gilead..."
"Treacle" is not in these instances a sticky confection, but a healing balm.
Many such names seem to have their roots in holy wells/springs.
-Karl
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See
Farrant, J. H. 2001. Sussex depicted. Views and descriptions 1600-1800.
Sussex Record Society 85, View 57, for 1788 picture and brief history, and
Farrant, J. H. 1997. James Lambert, senior and junior, landscape painters
of Lewes. Sussex Archaeological Collections 135: 259, for another view of
1780.
VCH Sussex, 6 (1): 13-14, for fuller account
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