Good Day All, I still don't understand how it can *ever* be unjust to steal a car, unless one concedes the existence of another category of harm other than the...
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John
tharasybulsone
Aug 1, 2004 2:01 pm
I would refer anyone interested in this line of thought to the Cambridge Companion to The Stoics, note on page 287. It says that the Sage might find it...
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Dhammanando Bhikkhu
dhammanando_...
Aug 1, 2004 2:58 pm
Greetings all, I should like to draw your attention to a book that the University of California Press is offering free online. It is a rather specialized and...
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Lee Hughes
hughesyman2004
Aug 1, 2004 3:15 pm
Adam, You are quite right to point out that Stoicism was hardly a philosophy that everyman enjoyed during the Roman Empire. Were it not for a few famous people...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Aug 1, 2004 7:16 pm
In my opinion, Grioghair's argument fails to recognize that people do suffer harm, according to the Stoic argument. There is only one state of "harm" (not two)...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Aug 1, 2004 9:43 pm
I tend to agree more with Grioghair than with Mauricio on this point, except that Mauricio is right in terms of technical vocabulary. So let us grant that...
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Ross
rebart1
Aug 2, 2004 3:17 pm
Hello, Jan, If this isn't too much off subject, would you mind explaining to me the relationship, if there is any of Stoicism to Gnosticism? Thank you very...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Aug 2, 2004 4:51 pm
I don't think there is much direct connection. Stoicism is a fully formed systematic philosophy before Gnosticism appears on the scene. Gnosticism is...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Aug 2, 2004 6:50 pm
Hi Grioghair, ... I disagree with this. I believe that the viciousness, the evil, is, or results from, a false value-judgment, a passion. The harm, the evil, ...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Aug 2, 2004 7:03 pm
Hello Grioghair, ... unless one concedes the existence of another category of harm other than the usual strict Stoic understanding of harm.<<< To claim that...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 2, 2004 9:09 pm
Jan writes: ______________ Even the sage continues for the most part to select C-benefits (for herself and others) over C-harms. This is an expression of her...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 2, 2004 9:45 pm
... Hi Lee, I have to respond with a question: are you more interested in Stoicism or virtue? I ask this because the one is not the other. The collection of...
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rebart1
Aug 2, 2004 10:30 pm
Thanks, Jan. I appreciate this. I can understand why Plotinus would be critical of the Gnostics. I find them a little too mystical for me. Ross ... formed ...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Aug 2, 2004 11:57 pm
Hi Steve, ... Okay, I'll bite. How does one lose one's way by becoming attached to Stoic doctrine? Best wishes, Dave -- PTypes http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Aug 3, 2004 3:39 am
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:08:25 -0700 "Steve & Oxsana Marquis" ... events are ... choosing. I ... selection of ... the virtuous ... I understand the prima naturae...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Aug 3, 2004 4:11 am
... My response: Once again, appropriate actions are preferred things (unless they are also right actions, in which case they are good). But surely not all ...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Aug 3, 2004 5:03 am
It occurred to me that the following passage from Hadot's 'The Inner Citadel' (1998, p. 118) is relevant. He is arguing that both Epictetus and Marcus had...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 3, 2004 1:44 pm
... ____________ . . . appropriate actions that fall short of being right actions (appropriate actions as performed by non-sages) also fall into this class. At...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 3, 2004 2:50 pm
Jan writes: ____________ . . . I am inclined to the view that a number of things about modern human rights discourse are alien to the mindset of classical...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 3, 2004 2:52 pm
... Hi Dave. I will respond tomorrow. The duty of work takes precedence at the moment. Steve...
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Lee Hughes
hughesyman2004
Aug 3, 2004 5:13 pm
Hello Dave Perhaps the point that Steve raised about our ego becoming too attached to Stoicism can be seen as a warning against dogmatism. Stoicism teaches...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Aug 3, 2004 6:57 pm
... attached to Stoicism can be seen as a warning against dogmatism.<< Thanks Lee. I take it that you would define dogmatism as something like the "arrogant,...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 4, 2004 1:19 pm
Dave asks: ____________ Okay, I'll bite. How does one lose one's way by becoming attached to Stoic doctrine? ____________ Dave, I'm using attachment here in...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Aug 4, 2004 3:00 pm
I am in general agreement with what you say here, Steve. I do not have time now to elaborate more on it myself. On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:42:57 -0700 "Steve &...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Aug 4, 2004 5:21 pm
Hi Steve, ... I don't think that your analogy equating one's broken favorite cup with Stoic doctrine is apt. Are we in danger of over-valuing Stoic doctrine in...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 4, 2004 6:30 pm
... ____________ . . . this statement made by Malcolm to me: ">>>Your enthusiasm for Stoic philosophy is an "attachment" also.<<< [response by Keith Seddon,...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Aug 4, 2004 7:21 pm
Hi Steve, I don't see how desire for Stoic philosophy and training can be a passion or that a consistent desire for them can be a vice that would constitute...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 4, 2004 9:25 pm
Dave writes: ____________ I don't see how desire for Stoic philosophy and training can be a passion or that a consistent desire for them can be a vice that...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Aug 4, 2004 9:38 pm
As an aside to the discussion Dave Kelley and I are having I am wondering if wish (and the other good emotions) are possible for non-sages. I seem to recall...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Aug 4, 2004 9:53 pm
Hi Steve, ... are ... Epictetus must have thought that some knowledge of those things worthy of being desired would be possible, else he wouldn't have advised...
