Good Day All, I still don't understand how it can *ever* be unjust to steal a car, unless one concedes the existence of another category of harm other than the...
I would refer anyone interested in this line of thought to the Cambridge Companion to The Stoics, note on page 287. It says that the Sage might find it...
Greetings all, I should like to draw your attention to a book that the University of California Press is offering free online. It is a rather specialized and...
Adam, You are quite right to point out that Stoicism was hardly a philosophy that everyman enjoyed during the Roman Empire. Were it not for a few famous people...
In my opinion, Grioghair's argument fails to recognize that people do suffer harm, according to the Stoic argument. There is only one state of "harm" (not two)...
I tend to agree more with Grioghair than with Mauricio on this point, except that Mauricio is right in terms of technical vocabulary. So let us grant that...
Hello, Jan, If this isn't too much off subject, would you mind explaining to me the relationship, if there is any of Stoicism to Gnosticism? Thank you very...
I don't think there is much direct connection. Stoicism is a fully formed systematic philosophy before Gnosticism appears on the scene. Gnosticism is...
Hi Grioghair, ... I disagree with this. I believe that the viciousness, the evil, is, or results from, a false value-judgment, a passion. The harm, the evil, ...
Hello Grioghair, ... unless one concedes the existence of another category of harm other than the usual strict Stoic understanding of harm.<<< To claim that...
Jan writes: ______________ Even the sage continues for the most part to select C-benefits (for herself and others) over C-harms. This is an expression of her...
... Hi Lee, I have to respond with a question: are you more interested in Stoicism or virtue? I ask this because the one is not the other. The collection of...
Thanks, Jan. I appreciate this. I can understand why Plotinus would be critical of the Gnostics. I find them a little too mystical for me. Ross ... formed ...
Hi Steve, ... Okay, I'll bite. How does one lose one's way by becoming attached to Stoic doctrine? Best wishes, Dave -- PTypes http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/...
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:08:25 -0700 "Steve & Oxsana Marquis" ... events are ... choosing. I ... selection of ... the virtuous ... I understand the prima naturae...
... My response: Once again, appropriate actions are preferred things (unless they are also right actions, in which case they are good). But surely not all ...
It occurred to me that the following passage from Hadot's 'The Inner Citadel' (1998, p. 118) is relevant. He is arguing that both Epictetus and Marcus had...
... ____________ . . . appropriate actions that fall short of being right actions (appropriate actions as performed by non-sages) also fall into this class. At...
Jan writes: ____________ . . . I am inclined to the view that a number of things about modern human rights discourse are alien to the mindset of classical...
Hello Dave Perhaps the point that Steve raised about our ego becoming too attached to Stoicism can be seen as a warning against dogmatism. Stoicism teaches...
... attached to Stoicism can be seen as a warning against dogmatism.<< Thanks Lee. I take it that you would define dogmatism as something like the "arrogant,...
Dave asks: ____________ Okay, I'll bite. How does one lose one's way by becoming attached to Stoic doctrine? ____________ Dave, I'm using attachment here in...
I am in general agreement with what you say here, Steve. I do not have time now to elaborate more on it myself. On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:42:57 -0700 "Steve &...
Hi Steve, ... I don't think that your analogy equating one's broken favorite cup with Stoic doctrine is apt. Are we in danger of over-valuing Stoic doctrine in...
... ____________ . . . this statement made by Malcolm to me: ">>>Your enthusiasm for Stoic philosophy is an "attachment" also.<<< [response by Keith Seddon,...
Hi Steve, I don't see how desire for Stoic philosophy and training can be a passion or that a consistent desire for them can be a vice that would constitute...
Dave writes: ____________ I don't see how desire for Stoic philosophy and training can be a passion or that a consistent desire for them can be a vice that...
As an aside to the discussion Dave Kelley and I are having I am wondering if wish (and the other good emotions) are possible for non-sages. I seem to recall...
Hi Steve, ... are ... Epictetus must have thought that some knowledge of those things worthy of being desired would be possible, else he wouldn't have advised...
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