Dr. Garrett observes that "The peculiar practice of persecuting those you disagree with philosophically or religiously seems to have come into existence about...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Jun 2, 1999 2:56 am
All: I would also suggest that we try to stick to topics more relative to stoicsm, rather than questions such as the virgin birth. Though in one sense...
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MurrellB@xxx.xxx
Jun 2, 1999 5:08 am
kevinmcgrane@... writes: <<I would also suggest that we try to stick to topics more relative to stoicsm...>> Good idea! Here's a little item I once...
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Yinshih@xxx.xxx
Jun 2, 1999 5:16 am
Beatrix: That's why we often say in French upon leaving a person, "Bon courage!" I am very fond of Seneca and am glad you quote his writings. I'm also reminded...
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Colin Street
castreet@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 2, 1999 6:29 am
... Chrysippus was perhaps most remebered for having said the following: "If I actually knew that I was fated now to be ill, I would even have an impluse to...
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Yinshih@...
Jun 2, 1999 7:26 am
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F.S.TRENCHARD
f.trenchard@xxxxxxxxx...
Jun 2, 1999 10:54 am
Dear Stoics Yesterday I went to visit Bowood house, less than an hour's drive from where I live. I was surprised to find there a small museum dedicated to the...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Jun 2, 1999 12:34 pm
Touche', Peter. And it happened even under the rule of Marcus Aurelius, as I have mentioned in this Forum before. Still, with this exception, the Romans were...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Jun 2, 1999 1:05 pm
Just a quick response to Colin's Chrysippean points . . . There is no real difference, as I see it, between Seneca's and Chrysippus' views on the passions and...
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Steve Marquis
smarquis@xxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 2, 1999 4:51 pm
Colin wrote: ________________________ . . . the early Stoics saw the world as a thing so excellently arranged that there was no room for adversity. ...
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Steve Marquis
smarquis@xxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 2, 1999 10:05 pm
Jan wrote: ______________________ Perhaps no one in this group thinks we can have exact and full knowledge of the plan of Zeus/God, but, if A. A. Long is...
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Keith Seddon
K.H.S@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 2, 1999 10:46 pm
Colin writes: __________________________ If the world genuinely contains adversity then surely these anger value judgements are not all false as I can find...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Jun 3, 1999 1:55 am
A. A. Long writes, on p. 154 of Hellenistic Philosophy: Stoics, Epicureans, Skeptics (Scribners, 1974). "It is misleading to describe the Stoics as ...
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Steve Marquis
smarquis@xxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 3, 1999 2:26 am
Thanks Jan. I appreciate it. Your explanation helps clear some things up. Steve...
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Colin Street
castreet@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 3, 1999 6:20 am
Keith Seddon wrote: Most non-Stoics view adversity as a bad thing, and seek to avoid it, or get out of once it's already struck. Stoics also view adversity as ...
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MurrellB@...
Jun 3, 1999 1:58 pm
Here in the US we who watched PBS TV last night saw a three-hour program on "The Science of Aging." Seems like scientists are studying everything from gene...
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F.S.TRENCHARD
f.trenchard@xxxxxxxxx...
Jun 3, 1999 6:32 pm
Dear Stoics, Beatrix writes: <Here in the US we who watched PBS TV last night saw a three-hour <program on "The Science of Aging." Seems like scientists are...
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Bert Rothschild
bertr@xxxx.xxxx
Jun 3, 1999 8:13 pm
... First, I apologize for responding so late. What about the person who, exercising his/her freedom, rejects the provisos? My position is that I cannot...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Jun 4, 1999 1:01 am
... I do think that reduced stress would probably lead to longer lives, but having fewer predators to feed might all by itself account for the greater ...
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F.S.TRENCHARD
f.trenchard@xxxxxxxxx...
Jun 4, 1999 9:52 am
Dear Stoics, Yes, Bert, you have found some weaknesses in my position, which is kind of you. I will answer them if I can. One: Rejecting the provisos. What I...
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Steve Marquis
smarquis@xxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 4, 1999 6:04 pm
Fred wrote: ______________________ It seems there are two kinds of knowledge: self-knowledge and objective knowledge. I think a Stoic should find some means...
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F.S.TRENCHARD
f.trenchard@xxxxxxxxx...
Jun 4, 1999 9:39 pm
Dear Stoics Steve, I take your point about a certain level of stress being good for you. You do not have to be a Stoic to know that. But let us not move too...
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Pmbaysd@xxx.xxx
Jun 5, 1999 1:11 am
Does stress really undermine the circumstances needed for virtuous behavior? I shouldn't think so. I should imagine that stress would create the...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Jun 5, 1999 3:54 am
The classical Stoics give us conflicting signals on the question of stress. Sometimes the good life, the life the sage will lead, is described in terms of...
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F.S.TRENCHARD
f.trenchard@xxxxxxxxx...
Jun 5, 1999 10:38 am
Dear Stoics, Jan speaks of "tonos" as the proper degree of tension and makes a distinction between "stress", outward conditions, and "distress", the wrong...
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Bert Rothschild
bertr@...
Jun 5, 1999 4:35 pm
... That is gracious. Thank you. Unfortuantely, your first paragraph does not appear in send mode, nor can I print it. So, this is written bouncing back to...
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Bert Rothschild
bertr@...
Jun 5, 1999 4:42 pm
To all: The discussion about stress can lead nowhere unless there is some acceptable definition of it. Let me offer one: Stress is a mobilization of the body...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@...
Jun 6, 1999 1:23 am
Fred writes (I numbered his questions), ... between the mature person in whom self-control is a settled habit and the immature person of whom the same cannot...
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Keith Seddon
K.H.S@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Jun 6, 1999 10:33 am
All: I wonder if anyone has found an edition of Marcus Aurelius' MEDITATIONS on the internet which has the paragraphs numbered. The George Long edition at ...
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F.S.TRENCHARD
f.trenchard@xxxxxxxxx...
Jun 6, 1999 4:30 pm
Dear Stoics, Bert wrote [Alcoholics who proclaim their desire for a drink and refuse one] act according to their perceived self-interest. Acknowledging a...
