Hi Steve, ... For my own purposes, I've decided that "character disorder" is the right term to define this universal viciousness. Psychoanalysts (perhaps...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Jun 1, 2004 4:11 pm
Just a minor point of terminology. I took the original comment, "we're all psychotic", as humorous. If everybody has a character disorder then, almost by...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Jun 1, 2004 5:32 pm
Adding the idea of Stoic psychology to the long existing Stoic philosophy would be a helpful development. There is, in current usage, a problem with the word...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Jun 1, 2004 6:20 pm
Although not intended as a "Stoic psychology," Martha Nussbaum's "Therapy of Desire" comes very close to your idea, Malcolm. So does Hadot's "Phylosophy as a...
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Adam Ophir Shapira
red_vorlon
Jun 1, 2004 7:03 pm
My personal experience is that a study of Stoicism was very helpful in recovery from love-shyness....
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Jun 1, 2004 7:06 pm
Dave writes: _____________ My own view is that everyone (except the Sage) is somewhat character disordered, though most are not disordered enough to be...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 1, 2004 7:12 pm
Good questions, Steve Regarding question #2, whether informal reasoning was available to the Stoics, I think the answer is Yes. At least two non-Stoic schools...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 1, 2004 7:18 pm
I was assuming that "wise" included at least that G-d was not lacking the empirical information or the capacity for generalization that well-informed, unbiased...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 1, 2004 7:40 pm
Stoic theology was entirely about the natural or material world. The problem with proof for Stoic theology, it seems to me, is that Zeus (especially) is an...
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Adam Ophir Shapira
red_vorlon
Jun 1, 2004 7:53 pm
... If you believe the Hubble telescope makes any significant change in this factor, you are like those who claimed that G-d couldn't sink the Titanic. ... Or...
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bamford@...
reb_el
Jun 1, 2004 8:28 pm
I apologize for the delay in my responses. I have been away for the holiday weekend. I also apologize for the length of this post, as I am responding to many...
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Karlton Douglas
stoic_thorn_...
Jun 2, 2004 4:18 am
What is the source of the empathy and compassion? Where does it derive? Is it in certain brain cells, or does it arise from somewhere deep within that cannot...
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bamford@...
reb_el
Jun 2, 2004 5:41 am
... Where does it derive?" The human mind. ... deep within that cannot be easily quantified?" In a complex network of brain cells, as I understand it, though I...
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Richard Lilley
apicius2003
Jun 2, 2004 10:24 am
Are'nt empathy and compassion the names we give to quintessentially social phenomena? Determinism aside, the various levels of arousal (feeling even) are...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Jun 2, 2004 12:59 pm
Karlton writes: _____________ If a person wants to learn about the God of Christianity the place to start is the Bible--go and see what God says about Himself....
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Adam Ophir Shapira
red_vorlon
Jun 2, 2004 1:41 pm
... This may be a bit off-topic, so I'll keep it very brief. The suggestion that someone start reading the Bible at the Gospel of John is a suggestion I have...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Jun 2, 2004 1:44 pm
If one is a scientist interested in emotion and were to start from the assumption that any emotion (e.g., emphathy, compassion) is the result of a movement of...
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Richard Lilley
apicius2003
Jun 2, 2004 2:09 pm
Just so - these occur as human social activities as well as, apparently, solipsistic phenomena. We are very noticeably social animals. The experience of...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Jun 2, 2004 2:19 pm
... .................... For those with more social consciousness than mystical inclinations, there is an interesting (partial) translation of the Christian...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jun 2, 2004 2:54 pm
... So to defend belief in the supernatural, I must find something that violates natural law. But if I were to find such a thing, then you would immediately...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Jun 2, 2004 3:31 pm
Whether the experience is social or individual, emotions are always individual phenomena, that is, something experienced by an individual. So, unlike Richard's...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 2, 2004 3:34 pm
Is anybody aware of what the winmail.dat attachment is? I received it in an attachment to one of Maurcio's latest posts. I do usually open unfamiliar...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Jun 2, 2004 3:48 pm
I'm sure you meant to say that you "do [not] usually open unfamiliar attachments since they might be viruses ..."...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 2, 2004 3:55 pm
Absolutely--that's what I meant. Also, I should have said "I received it *as* an attachment." Thanks, Dave....
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Richard Lilley
apicius2003
Jun 2, 2004 4:01 pm
Where is Bishop BerkeIey when you need him? Is an individual experience only an individual phenomenom? Not that I believe anything other than animals have...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jun 2, 2004 4:09 pm
The winmail.dat attachment is a fluky little bug produced by The Evil Empire's Outlook program. It doesn't hurt anything. [Although, of course, somebody ...
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Papini, Mauricio
mauriciopapini
Jun 2, 2004 5:27 pm
Empathy may have multiple causes, but a cause is not the same as its effect. The causes of empathy can only produce the effect of empathy if they operate on a...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Jun 2, 2004 6:02 pm
Hello Richard, ... As a Stoic, I do not believe that animals have emotions. Emotions are judgements about the nature and value of things. Animals are not able...
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Adam Ophir Shapira
red_vorlon
Jun 2, 2004 6:09 pm
Just as a Christian can say that the world was created within 144 hours in the year 4004 BC. Fortunately, many Christians are more reasonable than this and...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 2, 2004 6:49 pm
I don't recall any Stoic texts on whether nonhuman animals have experiences. I seem to recall that Aristotle, who would have agreed with the classical Stoics...
