Has anyone else noticed how we human beings tend to stay attached to plans / desires / habits after the original stimulating purpose (ie, the 'reason') for the...
I couldn't help notice the at least superficial correspondence between Steve's description and the continued U.S. occupation of Iraq. On Sun, 2 May 2004...
... syndrome." It's funny, but I used to be a very aggressive (but still relatively courteous) driver. I was always in the fast lane, barreling along the ...
I'm surprised to have found no mention of guilt in Epictetus, nor in the rest of Stoic writing (I haven't read that much, though). Is guilt not a concept used...
I haven't heard of any use of a term translatable as "guilt" in the pre-Christian Greek or Roman philosophical tradition. Some writers (W.H. Auden?)...
... Dave, I too have noticed that the concept of guilt appears absent in Epictetus. He does say in chapter 48 of the handbook about someone making progress:...
Hello Jan, ... I did find terms translatable as "guilt" in Seneca. "What is received should be repaid, however wicked the giver may become. Crime must be cured...
... Like Jan, I have reservations about the crisp distinction between guilt and shame. In any event, let us return to: "An uneducated person accuses others...
ah... guilt... that warm cozy feeling we can get when we do something wrong. ever noticed how some folks can actually find comfort in guilt? it's sort of like...
... Yes, that answers my question very well, Grant. I thought that a Stoic answer must lie somewhere along these lines, but I couldn't see it clearly. Thanks...
... What do you mean? In Enchiridion he writes (as closely as memory allows me to quote) "Therefore the uninstructed reproaches others, the one entering into...
On Fri, 07 May 2004 14:28:51 -0400, Adam Ophir Shapira ... Yes, I can see, now, that this is what guilt means in Stoicism, as Grant said: "the recognition that...
This is an interesting topic. Maybe someone can refresh my memory, but I seem to remember Aurelius saying something to the effect that we must not let our...
In a message dated 07/05/2004 19:30:08 GMT Daylight Time, ... Isn't "the reproach of one's self" more properly called "shame" ? And isn't "guilt" different...
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Dave, I just looked up in the Oxford Latin Dictionary the four terms below that the translators of these passages used when they attributed the term "guilt" to...
Hi Jan, I just looked up in the Oxford Latin Dictionary the four terms below that the translators of these passages used when they attributed the term "guilt"...
Dave, My copy of A Latin Dictionary, published at Oxford at the Clarendon Press (1879; rpt. 1995), does not list "guilty" as a translation of "nocens" (p....
Jan, We're referring to different classical Latin dictionaries. This, I think, is the Amazon listing for yours: "Latin Dictionary Founded on Andrew's Edition...
First, an easy one. "Consider what a man Socrates was when he dressed himself in a skin, after Xanthippe had taken his cloak and gone out, and what Socrates ...
Last night I read Eric Dodd's chapter in The_Greeks_and_the_Irrational, "From Shame-Culture to Guilt-Culture." I'll need to read it again to get a better idea...
Dave, Thanks. That explains the discrepancy. As you probably noticed I originally referred mistakenly to the Latin Dictionary published at Oxford as the...
... According to Eric Dodds, writing in a chapter of his The_Greeks_and_the_Irrational, "From Shame-Culture to Guilt-Culture," a sense of religious guilt...
Good Day All, I came across something interesting in Epictetus, concerning our topic: "And what is our nature? To act as free men, as noble, as self- ...
Greg writes referring to Epictetus: _____________ There is a contrast here between 'self-respect' and the 'impression of shame'. _____________ It is quite...
Steve writes: "Shame is based on our public reputation in the community, on how we believe other see us. It can only occur as a consequence of the desire to...
Greg writes: ____________ Why is it necessary to bring a third party into the equation in order to experience guilt? If one is aware of a certain standard of...
Hi Greg, ... Your analysis looks correct and seems to be well supported by Kimpel's (62-3) interpretations of Zeno and Epictetus: "Although Stoics are...
It seems to me that Epictetus does discuss the subject of conscience extensivly. Conscience moves humans toward virtue; while guilt is, in most cases,...
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