Since the Stoic system, as classically understood, is a system of "science," i.e., knowledge or episteme, and cognitive impressions are necessary but not...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Feb 2, 2004 2:55 pm
Jan writes: ____________ Since the Stoic system, as classically understood, is a system of "science," i.e., knowledge or episteme, and cognitive impressions...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 3, 2004 5:05 am
Steve, If you want to argue that Stoic epistemology (or rather what the orthodox Stoics would have called a major part of "logic") does not appear to do ...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Feb 4, 2004 11:38 am
Jan, thanks indeed for your post. It clears up several loose ends. I was in error to presume that the cognitive impression was trivial to classical Stoicism....
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Brett A. Bradley
a_pythagorean
Feb 4, 2004 8:58 pm
Forwarded for those of you not subscribed to BMCR reviews: Brad Inwood (ed.), The Cambridge Companion to the Stoics. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 5, 2004 1:32 am
Thanks, Brett, for forwarding this review. I have owned a paperback edition (much less expensive than $70.00) of this book since last summer. It is an...
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Sam Coppock
epam371
Feb 7, 2004 5:27 am
Dear fellow stoics: I have circulated the following among a close group of my non-stoic frends and thought that I should share it with you. The proximate cause...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Feb 7, 2004 5:00 pm
Hello Sam, ... I have seen on the internet other types mentioned with the Type A: Types B, C, etc. I'll look for some information on them. ... The factor in...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Feb 7, 2004 6:03 pm
Hello Sam, ... What I found on additional types doesn't seem that interesting, to me at least. There's Type A. And type B is the exact opposite of Type A. Type...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Feb 10, 2004 7:05 pm
In what does Stoic training (askesis) consist? Keith glosses "askesis" in his "Epictetus" article: http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/epictetu.htm#Glossary%20of%20Terms ...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 11, 2004 6:43 pm
Dave Kelly <ptypes@...> wrote: This chapter (3.12) is an outline account of a Stoic askesis (training) which, stated simply, consists of desiring...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Feb 11, 2004 9:54 pm
Thanks Malcolm, ... Epictetus recommends that we, also, abstain from desire for things that are in our power: "For the time being, completely restrain your...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 12, 2004 4:07 am
Ancient Stoicism is linked to the modern human rights tradition by means of the long tradition of natural law ethics from Cicero to Thomas Aquinas, and from...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 12, 2004 5:49 pm
Dave Kelly <ptypes@...> wrote: A. A. Long (113-14) is helpful here. Even though "Epictetus takes it as axiomatic that every person desires happiness" he...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Feb 12, 2004 8:05 pm
... I agree, except I don't see anything paradoxical. Being unable to distinguish the two, and being in the habit of thinking that the latter is the former,...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 12, 2004 8:58 pm
... I agree, except I don't see anything paradoxical. Being unable to distinguish the two, and being in the habit of thinking that the latter is the former,...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Feb 12, 2004 9:03 pm
Hello Malcolm, ... This may be true, but I'll suspend judgment for now. For me, entering "training"; requires a decision and commitment, something of a...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 12, 2004 10:02 pm
Dave Kelly <ptypes@...> wrote: You seem to be mixing metaphors, or something, here. Learning what is eph' hemin, 'up to us', is a matter of knowledge,...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Feb 13, 2004 12:56 am
... This is simply not the Stoic view of desire. The stoic view of desire is that desire is _one particular kind_ of motivation. Desire is separate from ...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 13, 2004 3:28 am
Malcolm, You seem to be unconsciously slipping into the psychology of the multipart soul, something quite alien to mainstream (classical) Stoicism although not...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Feb 13, 2004 11:15 am
Dave wrote in response to Malcolm: _________________ I believe that you are very probably going to have to wait a very long time before you "develop a...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 13, 2004 1:44 pm
Grant Sterling <cfgcs@...> wrote: Epictetus is saying that _for now_ one should turn off desire. ............. Grant, I have read this many times over. But...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Feb 13, 2004 4:18 pm
... He is addressing students who have not yet mastered the habits of a Stoic. If you have truly reached the point where you can, for example, experience pain...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 13, 2004 7:50 pm
Grant Sterling <cfgcs@...> wrote: He is addressing students who have not yet mastered the habits of a Stoic. If you have truly reached the point where you...
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Mr Geoffrey Howard
ssojourner
Feb 14, 2004 4:18 am
is epictetus a christ figure that stoics must measure up to? i'm not dismissing his importance at all. but it might be that he started something that we have...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 14, 2004 2:58 pm
... What we need to move us to action is not desire but "horme" (usually translated as "impulse"). In human beings horme is always "rational," which is to say...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 15, 2004 1:24 am
Not so, Malcolm, in the Stoic one-part theory desire (as a translation of epithumia) is a pathos, always correlated with false judgment (that things not under...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 15, 2004 1:49 am
Malcolm writes, "Based on Seneca's Letter CVIII, I have the impression that the Stoic teachers did not have a very formal training program. There were ...
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Feb 15, 2004 4:52 pm
Hi Malcolm, Let me restate your question to see if I've got it right: By definition, we can't do any action without motivation (what you call 'desire')....
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Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Feb 15, 2004 6:19 pm
Geoffrey wrote, ________________ if we choose to "turn off" desire until we can grow into the proper opinions of events... then aren't we merely practicing a...
