I agree with you that modern philosophy has abdicated its main function. I also agree its main function should be to teach us how to 'live well'. But we might...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 2, 2003 3:15 am
I don't think Plato portrays Socrates as violently upset at the occasional failures of his conversation-partners to get the point or see the light, so to...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Nov 2, 2003 11:18 pm
Hello pxxxbaker, ... philosophy should explain how you can be happy.<<< Indeed, this was the enterprise pursued by ancient ethics. The problem is getting clear...
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pxxxbaker
Nov 4, 2003 7:06 pm
... as the ... anything. ... agreement, ... Stobaeus 2.7.6e ... Thank you for the correction. What is virtue? What is nature? I find it very strange to say the...
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Andrew Case
acase@...
Nov 4, 2003 7:57 pm
Hello All, As suggested in the introductory email for this list, I'm introducing myself - I'm a physicist (research associate => postdoc) working on plasma...
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John
tharasybulsone
Nov 4, 2003 11:34 pm
First Person--"This soul does not exist ab initio as orthodox Christianity teaches but has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 5, 2003 4:26 am
On the joke: I often feel I am wearing *too many hats,* i.e., I have too many roles and therefore too many responsibilities, which puts me in danger of not...
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John Laerum
jlaerum
Nov 5, 2003 4:35 am
Good morning. Living according to nature and living according to virtue in my understanding at least means to live according to what is our particular HUMAN...
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myshalom777@...
celal777
Nov 5, 2003 10:26 am
Hello John, I think that's probably the best definition of that elusive concept known as "human nature" i've ever come across. Thanks, Cecil Berker...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 5, 2003 1:44 pm
Hi Andrew, Well said. Any relevant and contemporary application of Stoic thought would have to assimilate scientific understanding of human nature. In turn...
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Andrew Case
acase@...
Nov 5, 2003 3:38 pm
... I think human nature is best understood in terms of evolution - humans are simply not born for stasis. Evolution is fundamentally about struggle: for...
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pxxxbaker
Nov 5, 2003 8:52 pm
I've just finished reading Blackmore's latest book "Consciousness: An Introduction" which has much to say on 'the soul'. her presentation of the Buddhist idea...
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pxxxbaker
Nov 5, 2003 8:59 pm
There are tribal people who share food with people in their village, but will kill people in neighbouring villages at the drop of a hat. This is explained by...
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John
tharasybulsone
Nov 6, 2003 12:20 am
Dear Group, Thanks for the responses, they have been helpful as usual. Jan; I am somewhat familiar with Foucault, he is one of my brothers' favorites. Julian...
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Paul
pdlanagan
Nov 6, 2003 1:49 am
... village, ... The nature of humans, like other things is to survive and flourish. Killing the neighbours allows the tribesman to survive. Cooperating with...
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John Laerum
jlaerum
Nov 6, 2003 11:18 am
Good morning again. The Stoics see Human nature in a different way. Also today we have killers who are kind to their own but merciless to others. The Stoics of...
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John Laerum
jlaerum
Nov 6, 2003 11:33 am
Thanks. The definition is not so much mine however. More or less the same has been said before in this forum by someone else. At the time the chinese sage...
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myshalom777@...
celal777
Nov 6, 2003 11:42 am
... Yep , unproven just like evolution :-) Cecil Berker...
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Rick Bamford
rick_nj_2000
Nov 6, 2003 1:22 pm
Cecil Berker said "Yep , unproven just like evolution :-) " An invalid comparison, but I suppose it ultimately depends on one's standards for "proof." I have...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 1:22 pm
Dear Andrew, A few thoughts... ... From: Andrew Case [mailto:acase@...] Sent: 05 November 2003 15:39 To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [stoics]...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 2:39 pm
Hi John, The “Selfish Gene” was not really a theory but merely a complex metaphor to explain a contemporary understanding of evolutionary principles. The...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 3:02 pm
Dear Cecil, Not only has evolution been proven – several times over – it is actually used as a design tool in industry. More and more are the principles...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 3:04 pm
Well said ... From: Rick Bamford [mailto:bamford@...] Sent: 06 November 2003 13:22 To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Subject: [stoics] Proof and Belief Cecil...
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Celal
celal777
Nov 7, 2003 6:06 pm
I wasn't going to get into a debate about evolution since this is a list devoted to "Stocism" but i feel i must respond. Rick Bamford says : " Evolution has a...
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Celal
celal777
Nov 7, 2003 6:15 pm
Pete, I feel i need to challenge these examples you give in support of evolution. All of them like software and propeller design involve the intelligent...
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Brett A. Bradley
a_pythagorean
Nov 7, 2003 6:26 pm
... From: "Celal" ... evolution. That's a false dichotomy. Creator and evolution are not mutually exclusive. Hygieia! Brett...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 7:00 pm
Central to Stoicism is the belief that we should be guided by reason. The denial of the facts of our biological history is contrary to reason. Oh, the proofs:...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 7:38 pm
... From: Celal [mailto:myshalom777@...] Sent: 07 November 2003 18:16 To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Subject: Spam Alert: [stoics] Re: Ancient and Modern...
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Pete Stonehouse
cpwstonehouse
Nov 7, 2003 7:39 pm
Absolutely, I do have a lot of time for the idea of the intelligent hand behind the crystal garden. Pete S ... From: Brett A. Bradley [mailto:vegan@...] ...
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Rick Bamford
rick_nj_2000
Nov 8, 2003 5:01 am
... of evidence to support the contrary assertion." That's just it... I have yet to even SEE a contrary assertion (i.e. alternative) to evolution. At least,...
