Hello Charles, ... see how religion has been a tool of oppression and the justification of violating people's rights.<<< That cannot be disputed. ... scrutiny....
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 1, 2003 6:13 pm
History shows not robber barons becoming satiated; for if they are, others rise to take their place. It does on the other hand show robber barons being...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 1, 2003 6:28 pm
... evil ... being ... addict ... certain ... into the ... But Charles point was that religion is used on a regular basis to reinforce unjust social orders....
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 1, 2003 6:35 pm
Dr. Seddon- At the root of every religion is a body of ideology rooted in faith claims; claims that CANNOT be supported by reason or evidence, but must be...
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MurrellB@...
beatrix91910
Feb 1, 2003 7:50 pm
Hello fellow stoics--below is an item I sent to another list, but it explains some of my own approach to the thorny issue of Religion. However, my thought on...
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Steve Marquis
moralhappiness
Feb 1, 2003 8:02 pm
______________ At the root of every religion is a body of ideology rooted in faith claims; claims that CANNOT be supported by reason or evidence, but must be...
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Arin Vahanian
aorcentral
Feb 1, 2003 8:40 pm
... Hello, Thought I should add a few words to this discussion ... If you really believe such a being exists (a perfect being), it seems odd to me that you, an...
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Arin Vahanian
aorcentral
Feb 1, 2003 8:56 pm
... Hello Geoff, this is a very good point indeed....I tend to agree with you, but I have something else to add to this. Whenever we see a priest, or religious...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Feb 1, 2003 8:56 pm
Hello Tom Paines Ghost, ... This is a very poor characterisation of what religious belief amounts to, or can amount for some believers (some are more rational...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 2:10 am
... faith claims; ... accepted ... shows your ... It is not bias to note that religion, per se, as a body of knowledge, rests its tenets on untestable faith...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 2:47 am
Keith your emotions are clouding your reason. Religion. Is. Based. In. Faith. Not. Reason. It rests on precepts that cannot be tested. Cannot be disproven, and...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 2:55 am
BTW- Could you give me the Stoic take on a position of "Your challenging my idea offends me and makes me upset?"...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 2, 2003 3:22 am
Religion is such a diverse phenomenon that many people who talk about it as if they know what it is are assuming a definition that is far too simplistic. Prof....
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Steve Marquis
moralhappiness
Feb 2, 2003 3:23 am
... Ghost, I'm still waiting on your definition of religion. Let's not have any assumptions. You also need to define testable and faith. The first step in...
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Steve Marquis
moralhappiness
Feb 2, 2003 3:25 am
Exactly Jan. Thanks for a definition. Steve...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 2, 2003 3:25 am
Message is in the subject line. (I am referring to a recent post in which the subject line contained only the name of one of our members.)...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 2, 2003 3:45 am
I meant to say: "But doctrine is not a defining feature of all religions, and where doctrine is a defining feature of a particular religion, it is not...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 4:41 am
Ahh, Isee; you misunderstand/ I in no way said that a body of knowledge rooted in faith claims is ALL that characterizes religion; I said it was a...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 4:47 am
Steve, I never contested your claim about dogma; this was not an oversite. Indeed your claim is true by definition. But the fact that religion is one subset of...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 4:47 am
Steve, I never contested your claim about dogma; this was not an oversite. Indeed your claim is true by definition. But the fact that religion is one subset of...
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Bill Bryner
sanjuanzus
Feb 2, 2003 4:55 am
You, who chooses to use a pseudonym rather than your real name, Have you done the experiments which prove the great laws, theories, lemmas, and formulas of...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 6:03 am
Why is my choice of name an issue? DO you perhaps feel the need to turn the argument to a personal one, rather than address the merits of the issues under...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Feb 2, 2003 10:49 am
Mr Ghost: Here is a rational argument for the existence of God. This refutes your claim that all religious claims are faith-based and so cannot be the subject...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Feb 2, 2003 11:24 am
Mr Ghost: The current discussion on religion and faith is seriously off-topic, and I am now calling a halt to it. Mr Ghost, you are posting far too frequently....
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charlesbricebroadway ...
charlesbrice...
Feb 2, 2003 12:31 pm
Dr. Seddon, Though TPG may have violated our standards for debate and decorum, I would find it contrary to our purposes here to eliminate his presence from our...
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mreeyore1968 <paul...
mreeyore1968
Feb 2, 2003 2:06 pm
Is there a single book which brings together all the Chrysippean fragments, quotes, reported quotations etc? I already have Gould's book, Diogenes Laertius,...
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charlesbricebroadway ...
charlesbrice...
Feb 2, 2003 6:38 pm
Dr. Garrett, I am interested in those values. Perhaps you can provide us with a list. I am interested in both UU and anything Ralph Nader has to say. Thank you...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 7:45 pm
If you make a watchmaker argument (which this seems to be a variation of...) than you have not solved your teleological problem. If you explain the existance...
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tom_paines_ghost <...
tom_paines_g...
Feb 2, 2003 7:53 pm
And the other shoe drops. Quite predictable; Foucault was SOO right. Lacking arguments to make to defend your position, you resort to your authority to stifle...
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Russell Wells
rkwales
Feb 2, 2003 9:41 pm
I am new to this forum,but it seems to me that our ghost sees himself as a defacto moderator.He shows neither tact nor decorum,indeed his caustic verbal abuse...
