From a Stoic point of view, "rights", animal or otherwise, are not a consideration. On the other hand, if you decide that not eating animals is a good, then...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 1, 2012 8:17 pm
All: 1) In general, I am in agreement with Malcolm. 2) Rather than say that rights are not a consideration, I would phrase things more strongly--Stoics do not ...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Jul 1, 2012 9:06 pm
Grant, In general, I am in agreement with you concerning the Stoic attitude toward the issue of "rights". Regarding, vegetarianism, I stopped eating meat about...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 1, 2012 9:22 pm
... ***** Slow down. Some philosophies can be mixed, and some cannot. If your view is that the causes of all human behavior are exactly like the causes of...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 1, 2012 9:36 pm
... ***** The problem is that humans seem to regard things as valuable which have little to do with self-preservation. (I agree that self-preservation is on...
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Dave
ptypes
Jul 1, 2012 11:55 pm
... This may not make a difference, but I withheld the second part of Sellars account of the theory of oikeiosis. Humans begin by ascribing value to things...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Jul 2, 2012 7:49 am
Grant: “But I don't think that this is because the masterpiece has "rights" or "deserves moral consideration", or even because the offended people deserve...
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ctisphonics
Jul 2, 2012 9:45 am
One of the dominant aspects of Cynicism that blatantly stands out in the mind of a Cynic when he thinks of what 'Cynic' means, verses what a academical minded,...
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ctisphonics
Jul 2, 2012 10:23 am
I am sorry, but I think everyone here has seriously fumbled. Exactly what would the absolute negation of a altruistic population, a non-virtuous be, assuming...
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ctisphonics
Jul 2, 2012 10:39 am
There was a famous American philosopher who was also a Airforce Colonel who came up with the OODA Loop, a system designed to explain how all...
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Douglas J H Moore
douglasjhmoore
Jul 2, 2012 1:00 pm
Motivated by the discussion on this list, I have just written an article entitled Big Bag or Big Birth. It is too long for this list and so I put it up on my...
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Jesus
jcc1777
Jul 2, 2012 5:59 pm
Hi Dave, Thank you for your answer... "perfect our rationality or characther" I think it is needed a lot of rationality (common sense)nowadays. At least, I...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jul 2, 2012 8:45 pm
... Kevin: 1) NON-Stoic-related reason: I am an incompatibilist about free will, so on my views animals would also have to have free will in order to engage in...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jul 2, 2012 9:28 pm
kevin man is an animal so the feeling in man and animals must be exactly the same.but in man this feeling has become self aware by evolution.allowing capacity...
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Beatrix
murrell91910
Jul 2, 2012 11:04 pm
... Good advice that I have ben trying to follow the past 22 years or more. --Beatrix http://www.facebook.com/beatrix.murrell...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Jul 3, 2012 2:53 am
Free Will implies actual possibilities for a given scenario exist. A faculty of Free Will would be the ability to conceive of these possibilities and the...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jul 3, 2012 6:26 am
kevin i think that it must be that free will in any particular senario as you say  is the product of feeling awarness to that situation. stoics its seems...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jul 3, 2012 8:58 am
beatrix i enjoyed ! your frankness with this reply. more of it in the future i hope. Sent from Samsung Mobile...
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ctisphonics
Jul 3, 2012 8:59 am
I am having a impossible time trying to figure this one out, as apparently no one in English cares about it enough to read it but likes to quote it's existence...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jul 3, 2012 9:49 am
do you think kevin that nature always will do the lesser of two evils  by way of natural programing. Sent from Samsung Mobile do you think kevin that nature...
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Douglas J H Moore
douglasjhmoore
Jul 3, 2012 11:24 am
Jjaaeemmoo, you are incorrigible! From: stoics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:stoics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jjaaeemmoo Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 6:58 PM To:...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Jul 3, 2012 11:43 am
Thanks! That is seriously cool! There is nothing overtly Stoic about the passage, or rather the fragments that remain. Essentially, it is a dialogue in the...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jul 3, 2012 2:42 pm
thanks douglas Sent from Samsung Mobile...
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ctisphonics
Jul 3, 2012 10:18 pm
I'm wondering more and more about the possible influence the city exerted over gnosticism. given the city seal looks like a monad like geometry, Xenocrates...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Jul 3, 2012 10:45 pm
The Stoic and the Gnostic viewpoint on the cause of evil, could not be more different. Stoics considered evil the result missing the target (virtue), while...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jul 4, 2012 8:12 am
malcom you analisation of stoics and gnostics can not be right as you assume.ignorance of virtue is evil and there for automatical a force against good.there...
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ctisphonics
Jul 4, 2012 8:48 am
Gnosticism was all over the spectrum with this one. In some respects, your correct, they are dead opposite as far as I can discern in certain cases (but note,...
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ctisphonics
Jul 4, 2012 8:57 am
http://www.disinfo.com/2012/06/conformity-and-the-elevator-experiment/ It's a funny clip for the 50s I think, but it's a real test, and still works to this...
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ctisphonics
Jul 4, 2012 9:44 am
I don't think most any list the Catholic Church could ever be put out would be technically legitimate to the ideological assumptions of the Catholic Church...
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John Emmons
jjaaeemmoo
Jul 4, 2012 10:57 am
if one is bound by any re strictive creed you become insular to that creeds laws as is evident here a sickly group evolves from this unnatral restiction and...
