Another list of the "primary preferred indifferents" could be composed from Aristotle's _Rhetoric_ Book 1, Chapter 5. 5. Men, individually and in common,...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 4, 2012 11:58 am
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thomaszane63
Jun 4, 2012 2:53 pm
You make the reference to the "PRIMARY" preferred indifferents. Is this your term, or is it from some writing somewhere? I haven't seen it worded that way....
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thomaszane63
Jun 4, 2012 3:04 pm
Why does it not matter if the addressee is not found? Are you suggesting that in the SEARCHING for the addressee, the mesenger boy is acting virtuously? TZ...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 4, 2012 3:17 pm
Yes i think its a virtue to look for virtue but it would be unconcious virtue that seeks when found virtue becomes concious.there after only action in virtue...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 4, 2012 3:45 pm
Dave i take it that here indifference means non attachment Sent from Samsung Mobile...
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Dave
ptypes
Jun 4, 2012 5:08 pm
... I read of primary objects of desire, and of primary objects of natural desire. One book stated that Epicurus did not agree with the other three ancient...
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Dave
ptypes
Jun 4, 2012 5:45 pm
... It's more useful to think in terms of the categories of good, bad and indifferent. We should wish to become attached only to good things and to things that...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 4, 2012 7:37 pm
U mean fitting in nicely with natures grand sceem.syncronising your self with it. Sent from Samsung Mobile...
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Dave
ptypes
Jun 5, 2012 2:19 pm
... No, I can't say that I did mean that. It sounds like a good thing to do, though. Best wishes, Dave...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 5, 2012 3:24 pm
Dave is this ur stuff or stoics of the old school Sent from Samsung Mobile...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Jun 5, 2012 7:32 pm
... It's all according to the ancient Stoics except for use of the personality types. Do you know the ancient Stoic teaching concerning preferred indifferents?...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Jun 5, 2012 9:56 pm
I just got back from a holiday in Berlin where I went round the museums. Here are a few pics that are stoic related. As usual, the portraits of philosophers...
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thomaszane63
Jun 6, 2012 2:29 am
I would like some advice as to how to free myself from the passion of envy. I know that what I am envious about is not in my control or power, and I know -...
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David White
dwhite_14609
Jun 6, 2012 4:19 am
"I cannot maintain my Stoic perspective." Those who envy someone also admire what the other has or has done. There is nothing you can do about the advantage...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 6, 2012 4:50 am
Yes i can comfirm that my envy is the self same as your envy but aiimed at different personal targets so envy is comon localised emotion Sent from Samsung...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Jun 6, 2012 5:53 am
Hi, Overcoming such defects as feeling envy is not easy. We live in a world which encourages envy. We can learn, I think, from some religious practices. It is...
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Marc
marclarkin
Jun 6, 2012 12:40 pm
I've never had any success by following the path of reminding myself that I can do nothing to obtain the objects of my envy. I have had whatever success that I...
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Frugal Stoic
frugalstoic
Jun 6, 2012 8:49 pm
I would like to add to the excellent perspectives already presented by saying that what helps me is thinking about being grateful that other people are happy....
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Jun 7, 2012 12:34 am
Hi Thomas –  I would like to combine two notions, one modern and one ancient, that I believe work very well together. The modern one would be the idea of...
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Glenn Davis
glennonymous
Jun 7, 2012 3:39 am
Since I don't quite see my own perspective reflected in the comments that have already been offered, I will offer it. Before encountering Stoicism, I had been...
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Tom Zane
thomaszane63
Jun 7, 2012 3:53 am
Dear Marc: Thank you for such a thoughtful post. 1. I can be grateful that others are happy. I get that, makes sense, and am calm about that. 2. But when, for...
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Tom Zane
thomaszane63
Jun 7, 2012 3:55 am
But this is where I falter. I KNOW these objects are indifferent, but they still cause passion in me. I still value them. How did you get to the point of not...
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Tom Zane
thomaszane63
Jun 7, 2012 3:55 am
Thank you, Mr. Stoddard. So what I take from your reply, a strategy might be to read regularly our principles, because constant exposure to them may be a...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Jun 7, 2012 7:04 am
Yes. Human beings are weak and forgetful. It is only be returning regularly to the source of our principles that we can hope to combat the frequent distracting...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Jun 7, 2012 7:08 am
It takes time and practice, patience and persistence. When we train ourselves for any physical goal, such as running a marathon, we readily accept that it will...
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judyw
judyw1941
Jun 7, 2012 1:05 pm
Steve, I so agree with what you have written. My interest in the stoic philosophy is because it deals with emotional disturbances. I am not interested in an...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 7, 2012 1:20 pm
Would you agree the only way to detach your emotions from the field of events that u find ur self in. is to beleave in spirit. it has to be a prereqisit.to...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Jun 7, 2012 2:41 pm
I would disagree with this. Without a clear and agreed upon definition of 'spirit', the question is twaddle. Cheers Michel Daw * * Twitter: Michel Daw...
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jjaaeemmoo
Jun 7, 2012 3:21 pm
Id agree with u there mick  Sent from Samsung Mobile Id agree with u there mick Sent from Samsung Mobile...
