Seneca talks of the superfluous things man labours for when in truth our needs are far more simple, in an expansion on a line he quotes from Epicurous. While...
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Guillaume Andrieu
subtenante
May 2, 2012 8:27 am
Hi all. This month, the New Stoa Registry Report (http://newstoa.info/) features many things that might interest you, among them the first part of a short ...
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jjaaeemmoo
May 2, 2012 5:29 pm
Would others agree that vurtue is love and if it isnt then its not vurtue vurtue is therefor non local in its highest form...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
May 3, 2012 11:17 am
I don't think that virtue is quite the same thing as love. For instance, imagine a doctor who works hard to save the life of a man he dislikes. He is acting...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
May 3, 2012 2:09 pm
The following answer does not claim to be orthodox Stoicism. Right action, it seems to me, always has an important love component, but this is not necessarily...
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Glenn Davis
glennonymous
May 3, 2012 2:32 pm
The four classic cardinal virtues are courage, justice, temperance, and prudence or wisdom. Love is not synonymous with any of these, but could be seen as...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
May 3, 2012 5:03 pm
Jjaaeemmoo responds that justice (a type of virtue or virtue itself?) is nonlocal. It's certainly traditional Stoic doctrine that somehow connected with the...
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e.grossheide
May 3, 2012 5:52 pm
Hello, it seems to me that the Stoics were more loving than average human beings because they - didn't dump their negative emotions on others - didn't harbor...
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Marc
marclarkin
May 3, 2012 9:34 pm
Sort of :) I believe that love is the direct experience of the connectedness that arises from the universe being a single, conscious system of which we are...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
May 3, 2012 9:49 pm
Thanks Eva-Maria, I would just add that that whenever I hear people issue the falsehood that the Stoics were indifferent to suffering and to the needs of...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
May 4, 2012 9:18 am
It seems to me we have two different possible positions. 1. Love is identical to virtue 2. Virtue (or right action) has a component of love I think even within...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
May 4, 2012 11:42 am
The Stoics spoke in terms of friendship, and of citizenship in the universal City. I think for them love would be considered a degree of friendship, and an...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
May 4, 2012 1:18 pm
We can only make sense of the classical Stoics on friendship and the universal city if we remember that, for them, the citizenship of the universal city is...
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jjaaeemmoo
May 4, 2012 1:43 pm
By nonlocal im thinking for example that both men and women no good and evil so theres a common  that common is spirtual and thetefor not local to an event...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
May 4, 2012 2:31 pm
Jan, Would you agree with is presentation of the Stoic view, written by Pauline Kleingeld in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article called...
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jjaaeemmoo
May 4, 2012 2:47 pm
Yes id agree thats good citizen ship to do those things would autmaticaly be non  local action localness is selfishness unlocalness selfless ness Sent from...
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jjaaeemmoo
May 4, 2012 3:10 pm
I dint think vurtue could be selfish only in ignorance say some thinks they belong to a group or comunity and they are special excusive they have automaticaly...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
May 4, 2012 7:50 pm
I am in substantial agreement with your position. If by "love" we mean something like the subjective feeling we non-Sages experience with regard to some...
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jjaaeemmoo
May 4, 2012 9:51 pm
Dear group  would u say that an observer possesing good will  to all in an unconditional way is less local in spirt than an observer shows good will to a...
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frugalstoic
May 5, 2012 5:49 am
Hi everyone, I found you through a link at www.reddit.com/r/stoicism. We have a pretty active group over there with over 900 members and they are currently...
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e.grossheide
May 5, 2012 7:00 am
... Goodwill (when it is genuine and not faked) is part of a person's good character. It is an essential part of him. Therefore, he will always feel and...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
May 5, 2012 7:03 am
Thanks for this! Looks like an interesting subreddit, I've subscribed. Welcome to the forum! ... We have a pretty active group over there with over 900 members...
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e.grossheide
May 5, 2012 7:19 am
Yes, the word "indifferent" can very easily be misunderstood and misinterpreted. And the word "love" can also very easily be misunderstood (as others in this...
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e.grossheide
May 5, 2012 8:49 am
Hello, Nice to meet you. :) I have also read the book by Keith Seddon about Stoic Serenity. It is very helpful indeed. Kind regards, Eva-Maria...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
May 5, 2012 4:41 pm
I don't disagree with the quotation from the Stanford Encyclopedia article as an interpretation of the thinking of the ancient Stoics. I don't entirely agree...
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Douglas J H Moore
douglasjhmoore
May 6, 2012 1:50 pm
Jan wrote: It's certainly traditional Stoic doctrine that somehow connected with the all-pervading Logos (=Zeus=Nature=Providence=designing fire) is the ...
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Joseph Galata
josephgalata
May 6, 2012 2:00 pm
Mr. Douglas I always read but never respond to posts But your message on thus subject was very potent Thus i wanted to express a Thank you. Joseph Galata ...
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jjaaeemmoo
May 6, 2012 4:38 pm
 hindu  -the localised atman  becoming realised re joins the un local brahman  moving atman joins the unmoving brahman aristotles unmoving mover is brahmam...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
May 7, 2012 1:21 pm
Thank you for your response, Douglas. It gives me something else to think about. Best wishes, Jan...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
May 7, 2012 1:44 pm
It's not clear to me what "joins" (or "re joins") means in this context. I suspect it means "connects in the mind of jjaaeemoo and his/her co-thinkers (if...
