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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Aug 6, 2011 8:49 pm
I'll have a go. I've not used the ISF chat room so if you could tell me where it is that would help. I'm also not experienced with the chat stuff so I'll...
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Mark
psbagumba
Aug 6, 2011 9:08 pm
The box of links that shows up in all pages of the ISF group shows Chat at the very bottom, beneath (Beta). I hope it appears on everyone's session. :S...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Aug 7, 2011 7:56 am
Indeed. Found it. Thanks, Jim ... From: Mark <markejohnston@...> Subject: [stoics] Re: Scheduled Chat To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 6...
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Mark
psbagumba
Aug 9, 2011 3:16 am
If I'm not completely off the turnip truck, Stoic ethics are primarily virtue based as opposed to consequentialist or deontological. But can someone with the...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Aug 9, 2011 3:37 am
Hi Mark: Turnip trucks aside, primarily is not the same as exclusively. While it may be primarily virtues based, it is also grounded in duty and consequence. ...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 9, 2011 3:50 am
But that's the whole point, Mark. "Considering all sides of a moral issue" is precisely what deontologists and consequentialists DON'T do. They are...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 9, 2011 3:56 am
Let me change one thing in my original post. I said, "Actions are of relatively minor concern for the virtue ethicist." It would have been better if I'd said,...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Aug 9, 2011 4:55 pm
When I read the Stoics I find two primary attributes or definitions of "Virtue:"  1. It is a consistent disposition towards things which are "according to...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 9, 2011 5:36 pm
Greetings, Kevin: There are any number of excellent new books out there which treat Virtue Ethics; it's the hot new topic in ethical study these days - which...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Aug 9, 2011 8:30 pm
I'm not sure what group I would put them in, I guess my thoughts are that if you read their definitions of Virtue closely along with their philosophy in...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Aug 9, 2011 8:42 pm
I agree with John. Virtue ethics, ancient or modern, is focused on the agent’s disposition while the other two (consequentialism and deontology) are...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 9, 2011 8:52 pm
Not the way I teach it! ... My impression of modern Virtue Ethics equates Virtue with righteousness....
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 9, 2011 9:06 pm
Among the many problems with the other schools of ethics is the "Says who?" issue. A Kantian says I must obey the Categorical Imperative. Says who? A...
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Scott Rhodes
khrodos
Aug 9, 2011 9:24 pm
... Does this make Ayn Rand a Stoic too?...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Aug 9, 2011 9:41 pm
My attempts here is to state how I understand the texts to actually read, but I'm very willing to accept I have a flawed understanding of Virtue Ethics having...
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Scott Rhodes
khrodos
Aug 10, 2011 12:45 am
John, I apologize if that sounded snarky, I didn't mean it to be rhetorical, it is an honest question. I tend to agree with Kevin. I think we run into a modern...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Aug 10, 2011 1:10 am
... ***** I don't think this will do. If you are suggesting that virtue ethics avoids the "Says who?" problem by suggesting that you _want_ to achieve this...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Aug 10, 2011 2:03 am
Kevin writes: _______________  Regarding "says who?" I'm quite convinced the Stoics would have answered "Nature, Logos, the gods, right reasoning that's...
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V. Valerius Volusus
eperotema
Aug 10, 2011 10:13 am
Salve Kevin, ... The concept of righteousness was not alien to Greek ethics. They clearly laid out that there was a right way and a wrong way to view the world...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 10, 2011 1:11 pm
Grant, See, this is what happens when one dashes off an answer quickly while trying to get ready for class. One doesn't always express one's thoughts with the...
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Stoic Stoic
londonstoic
Aug 12, 2011 7:40 am
You might enjoy this journal article by Richard Valantasis on Roman asceticism, looking at Musonius Rufus and particularly at a text found in the Nag Hammadi...
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Stoic Stoic
londonstoic
Aug 12, 2011 7:55 am
Does anyone know if Musonius Rufus' lectures are still online somewhere? Thanks, Jules...
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Doru-Mihai Muntean
doru_mihai_m...
Aug 12, 2011 8:02 am
You can find a translation here : ...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Aug 12, 2011 11:46 am
So far I have just taken a quick look at the beginning of this article. But from what I have seen so far the Authoritative Teaching sounds very Gnostic, which...
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Stephen.
stephen66onlyin
Aug 12, 2011 1:08 pm
Dear Stoics, Just to clarify not to add: If i was walking in Manhattan New York and by chance found and expensive purse on the street. The impression is the...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Aug 13, 2011 2:49 pm
This is a translation of the Authoritative Teaching: ...
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John
jmichal2
Aug 13, 2011 4:16 pm
DEFINITELY gnostic. I can't imagine Musonius talking like this. Pax, John...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Aug 15, 2011 2:55 pm
From a quick glance at this article, I agree with John that the so- called-Authoritative Teaching is more gnostic than Stoic. Now, it is true that, like the...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
Aug 15, 2011 3:25 pm
Excellent points, Jan, especially the relative importance of intellectual versus physical askesis in the different "spiritual systems" (though physical askesis...
