Hi Keith. ... I don't believe in people being absolutely respectable or honourable. I don't wish to totally, absolutely take the whole person and all her...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 1, 2011 1:18 pm
1. You assume correctly. I consider myself to be a secular humanist. 2. I choose to be one. 3. We have already had this conversation. ( ...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 1, 2011 1:33 pm
"It is disgraceful even for an old man, or one who has sighted old age, to have a note-book knowledge. "This is what Zeno said." But what have you yourself...
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Matthew Copple
penguinista_kc
May 1, 2011 3:51 pm
And this has what to do with Stoicism? Matthew Copple mcopple@......
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Kevin
kevin11_c
May 1, 2011 6:33 pm
Keith wrote: Despite the overwhelming evidence that the traditional Stoic outlook is fundamentally theist, I am personally very sympathetic to the modern claim...
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jim lutsko
lutsko1
May 1, 2011 7:49 pm
Penrose is a smart guy but highly idiosyncratic and not representative of mainstream physics. Why choose him as an authority? jim...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 1, 2011 8:01 pm
Thanks Gich. This was a brave and revealing self-analysis. I congratulate you on your self-disclosure. Perhaps now you will be able to move on from making...
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Erika M
cherokee_purple
May 1, 2011 8:16 pm
... Another thing one might want to read if one were investigating Humanism is the Humanist Manifesto ...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
May 1, 2011 8:51 pm
Thanks Donald, I had an immediate opportunity to test an anxious appraisal of an event that I was guilty of, and was satisfied with the result. I will be...
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Matthew Copple
penguinista_kc
May 1, 2011 9:55 pm
The overwhelming evidence is that the traditional Stoic outlook is tied inextricably to Greek and Roman religion, not to some ambiguous "theism." Epictetus'...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
May 1, 2011 10:40 pm
... Perhaps I may also stake my claim. I wrote this some years ago in my commentary to Epictetus' /Handbook/: The injunction of /Handbook/ 31.5 But it is...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
May 1, 2011 10:44 pm
... In what way is the term 'theism' ambiguous? Or how is my use of it liable to the charge of ambiguity? Regards, Keith...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
May 1, 2011 11:07 pm
Perhaps. But, on the other hand, I'm not ashamed to admit that I see a lot farther by standing on the shoulders of giants. John ... From: Michel Daw...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 1, 2011 11:20 pm
Yes, but what do *you* see from there? That is what Seneca is saying. Don't just report, add to the conversation. ... -- Cheers, Michel "If one accomplishes...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
May 2, 2011 1:01 am
I don't see that Epictetus' God bears any more resemblance to Zeus, Hera or Athena, either. The God of the Philosophers does not seem to have been much...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
May 2, 2011 1:02 am
Can the stoics be describe  as being "Pantheist's"?. I am more comfortable with this position. Leo ... From: Keith Seddon <k.h.seddon@...> Subject:...
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moltronstoic
May 2, 2011 2:50 am
Im new so im afraid to get baned to put the word sex, please forgive me if its wrong. But this seems to be one of the strongest if not the strongest desires,...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
May 2, 2011 3:54 am
A couple of things: First, when I'm Seneca or Epictetus or M. Aurelius then I'll take it upon myself to be a teacher. At this point, I'm still just a student. ...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 2, 2011 4:41 am
John and Rino: I afraid we may be misunderstanding each other. I was asking: "What have you yourself said? What is your own opinion?" and you rightly form...
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Nyk Cowham
eperotema
May 2, 2011 8:28 am
Hello Keith, ... As I mentioned before I have a tendency to quibble, so I am cautious in that regard, as I believe I ought to be. However, to the end that it...
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jim lutsko
lutsko1
May 2, 2011 10:49 am
Hi Gich, I think you exaggerate the hegemony of string theory. There are perfectly healthy research communities devoted to alternatives such as loop quantum ...
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Nyk Cowham
eperotema
May 2, 2011 11:36 am
... Yes, I completely accept that neither you nor Keith are suggesting that. I am not willing to adopt a position of a good-bad of lesser force either. What I...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 2, 2011 11:46 am
Yes, one sentence posts tend to be a little annoying. A couple of my favourite (recent) examples. "No. The Stoics were Panentheists!" "Recourse to analogy is...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 2, 2011 12:02 pm
Dearest Gich. It seems that you are a little quick to reply to this one. ... You asked what *I* believe (question 3.) I responded. ... Somewhat confused by...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
May 2, 2011 12:48 pm
Cool, Michel. I did fail to understand where you were coming from in your original post. I think we are on the same page, as far as why we study Stoicism and...
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Erika M
cherokee_purple
May 2, 2011 1:49 pm
... one side, ... I mean that nature is eternal and uncreated. ... concerning ... described as a ... philosophy. ... The preferred term is usually...
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John Michalski
jmichal2
May 2, 2011 3:32 pm
Books and articles by people I respect have termed Stoics "pantheists." I respectfully disagree with them, and would agree with Gich. As I've always understood...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 2, 2011 3:41 pm
Given the original 'dual-principle' physics, this seems to play well with what the many of the ancient Stoics wrote (though not all of them, of course.) ...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
May 2, 2011 4:00 pm
Reluctantly, I have decided to say something about this thread... ... ***** I'm not sure that's true...or that it's false. I think pinning down the...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
May 2, 2011 4:12 pm
... Big boat, lots of room... ... May I add that even a non-religious Stoic can have a level of serenity about events that occur because they have, in fact,...
