... Dave: I understand and appreciate the analogy, but I don't think it's Stoic. The Stoic view is that, once we look at the world correctly, the heat _goes...
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David H. Hatch
n9zrt
Dec 1, 2010 3:07 pm
Nicely said, Grant. Dave Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. ... From: Grant Sterling <gcsterling@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:59 AM To:...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 1, 2010 3:12 pm
... *** Agreed. Since my 'self' is the only thing that I have the power to improve, Stoicism is a method for self-improvement. *** intended to make it...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Dec 1, 2010 3:22 pm
Well, one of the sayings of Epictetus is "Everything has two handles, one by which it may be borne, the other by which it may not." Ronald Pies wrote a book...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 1, 2010 3:25 pm
... *** True, clearly, since if I knew a moment I would be thinking, and if I think, I am. :) ... *** False, clearly. I remember when I first learned that the...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 1, 2010 3:31 pm
... *** I, along with all the Stoics, disagree. ... *** I disagree. It is an objective truth about the universe that certain standards are correct and others...
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Matt D
locumranch
Dec 1, 2010 4:01 pm
What is your opinion on Scientism? Scientism is "the belief that the investigative methods of the physical sciences are applicable or justifiable in all...
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jlwells62
Dec 1, 2010 4:20 pm
Hello Matt, I agree with you. The Stoics are by no strech of the imagination mystics. Given that a basic element of Stoic thought is that the nature of the...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Dec 1, 2010 4:44 pm
I think "Scientism" is real. Certain people try to use the scientific method to derive moral or ethical truths, which it's not really suitable for. They often...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Dec 1, 2010 4:56 pm
Sorry, I need to correct this post, new version below. I think "Scientism" is real. Certain people try to use the scientific method alone to derive moral or...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Dec 1, 2010 5:24 pm
There has been some talk here about the Cynics, and about the concept of Nature. I am very sympathetic to the Cynic outlook. Disparaging remarks about the...
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Malcolm
malcolmschosha
Dec 1, 2010 5:33 pm
... I would word it differently. Emotions result from assenting to incorrect judgments. For instance, if my neighbor spends some time yelling insults at me,...
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jlwells62
Dec 1, 2010 6:23 pm
Hello, ... The concept that always springs to my mind when I read of the pneuma is energy and force. These concepts are quite scientiffic and based on...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Dec 1, 2010 6:33 pm
My son once asked me if I believed the universe was conscious. I said that I know that part of it is. ... -- Cheers, Michel "If one accomplishes some good ...
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IJD Underwood
ibrahimunder...
Dec 1, 2010 7:40 pm
Grant, My understanding is that the Stoics did not seek the extinguishment of emotion, but their containment. To grieve for a dead loved one therefore was an...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 1, 2010 8:29 pm
... ***** Anachronistic? I don't ever recall saying that any such views were anachronistic. If you mean that scientism in its strong sense is a fairly modern...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 1, 2010 8:52 pm
... I don't think so. If you grieve (even slightly) at the death of a loved one, then you must of necessity believe that it was bad that they died. But the...
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Malcolm
malcolmschosha
Dec 1, 2010 9:08 pm
Matt D wrote: "Do you really think that Scientism represents an anachronistic bias as suggested on ISF?" ........................ Matt D, You present ISF a...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Dec 1, 2010 9:59 pm
Jeremy Collier, a translator of Marcus Aurelius, writes this in 1709 about goodness in his /Essays Upon Several Moral Subjects (Part 4)/: OF GOODNESS Goodness,...
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Jiohdi
thedreamerdr...
Dec 2, 2010 11:39 am
... *** False, clearly. I remember when I first learned that the interior angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. I thought that 180 degrees was an ugly...
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Jiohdi
thedreamerdr...
Dec 2, 2010 11:50 am
... Dave: I understand and appreciate the analogy, but I don't think it's Stoic. The Stoic view is that, once we look at the world correctly, the heat _goes...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 2, 2010 4:05 pm
... ***** This is an interesting theory, but it simply is not Stoicism. Your view seems to me that we regard all moral concepts as simply false--mistaken...
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Dec 2, 2010 4:20 pm
All I can say is that this entire conversation is causing me to desire a mug of hot cocoa on this cold, snowy day. Though how this relates to stoicism I don't...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Dec 2, 2010 4:32 pm
Hmmm... Object lesson? Going for a Cinnamon Mocha now... ... -- Cheers, Michel "If one accomplishes some good though with toil, the toil passes, but the good...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 2, 2010 4:47 pm
... ***** Stop right there! Why on earth should I define what I _know_ as "what I perceive directly". I think this equation is wrong in both directions-- ...
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David H. Hatch
n9zrt
Dec 2, 2010 4:53 pm
Thinking… Were one's hand-hold on the mug to be gripped to the cool insulated handle, the holder would not know if the contents were hot or cold, or at...
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Matt D
locumranch
Dec 2, 2010 5:46 pm
In regards to Stoicism, the "is-ought problem" or the "naturalistic fallacy" does not necessarily apply. Assuming the Stoics simply accept what "is" as ...
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Malcolm
malcolmschosha
Dec 2, 2010 5:46 pm
Dave wrote Thinking… Were one's hand-hold on the mug to be gripped to the cool insulated handle, the holder would not know if the contents were hot or cold,...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Dec 2, 2010 6:30 pm
Indeed, snow is a very good test of one's Stoicism. At present, a high proportion of the UK population is engaged in the traditional British pastime of...
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David H. Hatch
n9zrt
Dec 2, 2010 6:41 pm
Thank-you, Malcolm, Dave Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. From: Malcolm <malcolmschosha@...> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:46 AM To:...
