Article by Nancy Sherman fyi http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/a-crack-in-the-stoic-armor/...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 2:01 am
Eh. ....
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Steve Marquis
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Jun 4, 2010 3:51 am
Hi Jan. I read through Sherman’s article. Though she starts out by recounting the recognized help Stoicism gave to Stockdale in Vietnam she goes to...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 6:11 am
Sherman's an idiot. No surprise Jan likes her. ....
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Barton
bdowney@...
Jun 4, 2010 6:19 am
With the danger of appearing as one, why do you think Sherman is an idiot?...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Jun 4, 2010 2:35 pm
This is rude and out of line. ... From: brunians@... <brunians@...> Subject: Re: [stoics] A Crack in the Stoic's Armor? To:...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Jun 4, 2010 2:43 pm
Yes, I quite agree. Hardly the style of (non)argument you'd expect on a website about Stoicism. Â Regards, Â Jim ... From: Kevin <kevin11_c@...> ...
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 2:45 pm
So, I'm reading Epicitus. Enjoying it very much. But I've a question--the Gulf oil spill ... it's out of our control. Or at least, out of my control. So, it's...
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Michael van der Galien
mpfvandergalien
Jun 4, 2010 2:47 pm
yes 2010/6/4 <Trishmare7@...> ... -- Michael van der Galien Assistant Managing Editor NewsReal blog Editor De Dagelijkse Standaard Mantgum, the Netherlands...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 2:51 pm
I'm not arguing. ....
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 2:53 pm
It's not something I'm spending a lot of time thinking about. ....
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 2:56 pm
The gulf spill, or whether or not it's bad? Trish Marie In a message dated 6/4/2010 10:53:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brunians@... writes: It's...
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 2:57 pm
Thanks. That clarifies. Trish Marie In a message dated 6/4/2010 10:47:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mpfvandergalien@... writes: yes 2010/6/4...
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Michael van der Galien
mpfvandergalien
Jun 4, 2010 2:59 pm
It's obviously not bad because it's not something you (or I) control; it's outside of ourselves. So I guess he's not thinking about whether it's bad or not at...
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 3:06 pm
Thank you again. That clarifies even more. I can certainly see how Stoicism can produce serenity. Appreciatively, Trish Marie In a message dated 6/4/2010...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 3:08 pm
The spill itself. Since it is not something under my control, it is not possible for it to be bad. ....
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 3:09 pm
It actually does what Buddhhism is said to do. . ... ...
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Kevin Reynolds
daretobegroovie
Jun 4, 2010 3:17 pm
... Oh no! Act in accordance with Nature. This is not a natural disaster, it is man made, made by men of greed and carelessness. We have SOME control. Raise...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 3:22 pm
... Would you please keep your uterus in place? ....
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 3:24 pm
Which is probably why I've gravitated from Buddhism towards Stoicism. Trish Marie In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:09:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ...
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Michael van der Galien
mpfvandergalien
Jun 4, 2010 3:28 pm
LOL! I was thinking something similar. 2010/6/4 <brunians@...> ... -- Michael van der Galien Assistant Managing Editor NewsReal blog Editor De...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Jun 4, 2010 3:29 pm
I think William B Irvine's book "A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy" is pretty good on this kind of question. I would say the oil spill...
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 3:29 pm
This I do understand a Stoic can do (and as an environmentalist, I'm compelled to). I definitely do raise my voice--and I'm also a bicycle commuter. Dry my...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 4, 2010 3:56 pm
Steve is right that the "Stoicism"; of those who have never read Epictetus or any of the other major Stoic writers are likely to have a version of Stoicism (or...
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 4:00 pm
So would the Vulcans or the Romulans be more Stoic? Trish Marie In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:56:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan.garrett@......
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 4:06 pm
The way we do things in the military is old. Rome is recent history. Doctrine is older than that. Killing people and breaking things is basic stuff. It doesn't...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Jun 4, 2010 4:07 pm
The Romulans were expansive. ....
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Trishmare7@...
trishmare7
Jun 4, 2010 4:08 pm
Oh, right. Good point! Trish Marie In a message dated 6/4/2010 12:07:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brunians@... writes: The Romulans were expansive....
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Jun 4, 2010 5:52 pm
... Nancy Sherman is an Aristotelian, at least on this issue. A reviewer of her _Stoic Warriors_ suggests that Sherman's warriors will turn out to be...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jun 4, 2010 6:31 pm
... *** "We as a society" do not exist. There is no such thing as a "society" deciding to do something, a "society" acting, etc. I only control my own...
