I appreciate yiur thoughtful response, Dr. Garrett, but I still beg to differ. I believe, as a matter of both correct thinking and effective pedagogy,that the...
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gmvick32@...
liviamarciaaur
Nov 1, 2001 4:17 pm
Forgive me, I have to jump in here, though I won't be as learned as Dr. Garrett and I'm not sure I'm sticking to a stoical agenda. It seems to me that the...
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mburch5717@...
mburch5717
Nov 5, 2001 4:37 pm
First off, let me commend Dr. Garrett for the tremendous effort involved in setting up and maintaining this webside. It's extraordinarily helpful for a...
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blackhame
Nov 5, 2001 11:24 pm
I concur completely, both with the gratitude expressed for the existence of this Stoic site, and in the objections to the concept of human rights. ... ...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 6, 2001 12:42 am
I want to acknowledge Mburch's and Blackhame's appreciation for the work that goes into maintaining this Forum (and say "You're welcome, indeed!", but I must...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 6, 2001 2:06 am
... doctrines is apt to provide more confusion than enlightenment. . . . most of the discussions of human rights, starting with Locke . . . are ...
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blackhame
Nov 6, 2001 2:40 pm
I can see from Dr. Garrett's latest message that my differences with him are not limited to his attraction to human rights but to his belief in democracy. I ...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Nov 6, 2001 3:44 pm
... differences with him are not limited to his attraction to human rights but to his belief in democracy. I consider it a very bad form of government--and not...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 7, 2001 3:48 am
The "constitutional democracy" to which I referred to my discussion of Rawls' view yesterday is not the mass (adult male Athenian nonslave nonalien) democracy...
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blackhame
Nov 7, 2001 2:35 pm
Messrs Seddon and Garrett are democrats; I am a royalist. Like Mr. Seddon, I prefer good governance to bad, but, unlik ehim, I believe democracy to be a very...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Nov 7, 2001 4:38 pm
... forms of government further on this list as, in my opinion, it has nothing particularly to do with Stoicism.<<< The essence of ethics is conduct, and...
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mburch5717@...
mburch5717
Nov 7, 2001 5:36 pm
"... we wish to live like men from the very start and help mankind ... Do you wish to help them? Then show them, by your own example, the kind of men...
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Gina
liviamarciaaur
Nov 7, 2001 6:05 pm
... I ... which ... be ... I have to say that I haven't taken either Drs. Garrett or Seddon to be saying that to be a contemporary, practicing stoic one must...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Nov 7, 2001 6:17 pm
Thank you mburch for your post. Even the two quotes your have kindly dug out for us establish pretty reliably that, as Stoics (if not as anything else), we...
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mburch5717@...
mburch5717
Nov 7, 2001 10:43 pm
It's a real treat to be involved with such an erudite group. I can also see that I'm going to have to be much more circumspect with my postings in the future....
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gmvick32@...
liviamarciaaur
Nov 8, 2001 1:41 am
... I wasn't necessarily saying you were the relativist. And actually I think I was misapplying the term anyway. ... That book is already on my reading list....
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 8, 2001 2:29 am
Gina is right, in my case at least, that I have never intended to be understood as saying that a Stoic had to endorse Rawls' views. My point was that I think...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 8, 2001 2:56 am
I think Gina's explanation of Stoic psychology is quite good. I would chiefly have terminological quibbles/cautions. What she calls the first emotion, I would...
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mburch5717@...
mburch5717
Nov 8, 2001 4:03 am
I simply want to thank Gina and Dr. Garrett for their long and absorbing answers to some points I raised and to my request for help on matters of stoic...
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gmvick32@...
liviamarciaaur
Nov 8, 2001 4:45 am
Well, I have not and cannot address Rawls because I haven't actually read him. Shocking, I know. Another to add to that reading list. So I've come out of...
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mburch5717@...
mburch5717
Nov 9, 2001 9:23 pm
I saw a great quote from American television star Robert Urich that I wanted to share. Urich was in Wisconsin speaking to an audience about his difficult...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 12, 2001 3:49 am
That mysterious Brutus again! anno domini christiani 411 Stoici Amici, As you know the Christiani often differ among themselves regarding particular teachings,...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Nov 13, 2001 11:42 pm
... I find this somewhat puzzling. The Original Position is almost like the sort of science-fiction story you might expect in Star Trek, where Kirk and Spock,...
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Mac Hyndman
machyndman
Nov 14, 2001 4:36 am
Hello everyone. I am very pleased to make your aquaintance! My name is Mac Hyndman and I coordinate a Government program called Millennium Volunteers, which...
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Gina
liviamarciaaur
Nov 14, 2001 2:38 pm
Hmm. I'm wondering if where it becomes relevant in a practical sense is addressing issues such as the human ethics of participating inside virtual reality...
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Mac Hyndman
machyndman
Nov 14, 2001 8:47 pm
The work of Rawls is fascinating, but stems from the mistaken belief that by removing our memory/ present circumstances we can achieve enlightenment. Surely...
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Caleb Williamson
caleb@...
Nov 15, 2001 1:34 am
Mr. Hyndman makes the point, which I believe to be accurate, that the Veil of Ignorance concept is not going to be useful in helping us to find enlightnement....
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Nov 15, 2001 2:16 am
Rawls is well aware that we cannot *really* remove our memory. However, we can ask what rules we would be willing to live under if we were (by hypothesis)...
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Timothy Anstiss
Anstiss.Shl@...
Nov 15, 2001 5:42 am
Rawls does not believe that removing our memory helps us achieve enlightenment. He merely suggests a thought experiment to help us think about how we might...
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Mac Hyndman
machyndman
Nov 15, 2001 7:56 am
Of course I did not mean that Rawls advocated a 'real' removal of memory! I think I was suggesting a better 'thought experiment', as Jan cleverly puts it!...
