I think this is a fascinating subject. Via Neuroskeptic, here's a bit more on the DSM-V changes. ...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Mar 1, 2010 6:01 pm
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:26 AM, TheophileEscargot ... The problem that a Stoic trying to make progress will have with Cognitive Behavior Therapy is that he or...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Mar 1, 2010 9:56 pm
I only said "partly based". But Ellis himself specifically mentioned stoic philosophers as his influences. ...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Mar 1, 2010 11:16 pm
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:29 PM, TheophileEscargot ... Ellis based his Rational Emotive Therapy on Epictetus' core idea that it's our judgments of things that...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Mar 2, 2010 8:44 pm
For the purposes of this post (and most of my other posts), "compassion" means "a _feeling_ of distress that occurs when one believes that another is...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Mar 3, 2010 3:36 am
Stoic Friends, Jan had mentioned how that according to Hellenistic Stoic thought no-one but a sage could experience the good feelings. He is of course right. I...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 3, 2010 3:55 am
I have never known Jan to be of course right. He is sometimes correct in his opinions. ....
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Mar 3, 2010 5:22 am
Grant, We need an essay like 'Is common compassion necessary to be a good person? The Stoic response'. Live well, Steve PS Josh, enjoy it while it lasts....
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markhowarth24
Mar 3, 2010 5:49 am
Dear Stoics I have just started my Stoic journey and find myself trying to gain an understanding of stoicism in two scenarios. My sport of choice is surfing. I...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 3, 2010 5:53 am
You're being ironic, right? Please say that you're being ironic. ....
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Mar 3, 2010 10:36 am
Well, surfing and travelling business class are indifferents, neither good nor bad. The question is how they affect your virtue. One problem with extravagant...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Mar 3, 2010 1:07 pm
Read Seneca, Letters 18 & 28. That should help. ... -- Cheers, Michel "If one accomplishes some good though with toil, the toil passes, but the good remains; ...
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dtstrain
Mar 3, 2010 3:58 pm
Grant, I admire that you have defined what you mean by "compassion" at the outset, so your intent, message, and question is very clear. Having said that, if...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Mar 3, 2010 5:04 pm
Well, I'm reading "The Happiness Hypothesis" at the moment and I found good summary of part of the way our brain works here: ...
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stevemarquis@...
stevemarquis...
Mar 3, 2010 9:47 pm
_____________________ Emotions (not passions) are an inseparable part of our reason. Without an emotion of compassion, suitably harnessed to logic, then we...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Mar 3, 2010 10:29 pm
I don't understand this response I'm afraid. Why is that at the top of the mishmash I'm correctly quoted as saying "emotions are an inseparable part of our...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Mar 4, 2010 4:00 pm
TheophileEscargot writes: ________________ Why is that at the top of the mishmash I'm correctly quoted as saying "emotions are an inseparable part of our...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Mar 4, 2010 4:19 pm
Daniel writes: ________________ (1) Stoics have no need of "a feeling of distress when others suffer", and (2) It is entirely possible to act morally and...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Mar 4, 2010 4:56 pm
"The wise man, therefore, will not pity, but will succour, will benefit, and since he is born to be of help to all and to serve the common good, he will give...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Mar 4, 2010 5:29 pm
I think we largely agree with each other. However, I don't think compassion comes prior to reason in general. Perhaps I should clarify this statement: Without...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Mar 4, 2010 6:12 pm
Bullseye. I would only add that Seneca is reiterating one of Socrates' main arguments in Plato's Republic. We call something "good" if we find it to be of...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Mar 5, 2010 1:40 am
Steve Marquis wrote:  IOW reason cannot function without emotion. This is opposite from what The Stoics would claim which is that judgments are necessary...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 5, 2010 1:58 am
Stoicism is a set of simple exercises which are known to make people happy and free. If you have this kind of thing in your head, you have gone wrong. It is...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Mar 5, 2010 4:57 am
Josh writes: ________________ Stoicism is a set of simple exercises which are known to make people happy and free. If you have this kind of thing in your head,...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Mar 5, 2010 5:19 am
I'm not sure if this comment is directed at me or not, but I think you are wrong. In the sense I will explain below.  One must not forget that we are...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Mar 5, 2010 3:03 pm
Kevin writes: ________________ It is difficult, in my mind, to say what the Stoics would have thought about the word "emotion". ________________ I thought...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Mar 5, 2010 5:02 pm
... I think the Stoics would define pathos and eupathos as emotion, because they are, or are the result of rational judgments; but propathos is not emotion,...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Mar 5, 2010 5:30 pm
Dave writes: ________________ I think the Stoics would define pathos and eupathos as emotion, because they are, or are the result of rational judgments; but...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Mar 5, 2010 5:56 pm
... Would propathos be what Nusbaum refers to as the kind of emotions animals and children might have, i.e. non-rational or pre-rational emotions, as opposed...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Mar 5, 2010 6:47 pm
I'm away at a conference, so I just have a minute.... ... **** My definition, it might surprise you to learn, is also what I naturally understood compassion...
