Jan writes: _________________ Steve, even when I considered myself a more or less orthodox Chrysippean (classical mainstream) Stoic, I did not understand...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Feb 1, 2010 9:24 pm
Yes, Kevin, that is (roughly) my position....
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Feb 1, 2010 9:44 pm
OK, thanks, I agree with you regarding parenting. I don't know much about politics or economics, but a "domination" model doesn't sound very appealing for them...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Feb 1, 2010 10:05 pm
... ***** What I don't understand, and I think what Steve doesn't understand, is the basis for this claim. How, on your view, does one "observe" the...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Feb 2, 2010 12:24 am
Grant wrote: ... Grant we actually have 6 physical senses! Can you guess the sixth? Being an Ethical Inutionist you must also include at least one non-physical...
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andiebethany
Feb 2, 2010 5:11 pm
Do you all know of anyone who does stoic coaching ? I just have some personal questions I am working through in my life and wanted that perspective to address...
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Stoic Stoic
londonstoic
Feb 2, 2010 11:38 pm
Depending on the gravity of the issues you refer to, Id suggest going to a CBT / REBT counsellor - they use Stoic techniques in their counselling. ... From:...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Feb 3, 2010 11:23 pm
Thanks for posting this....
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judyw
judyw1941
Feb 4, 2010 1:57 am
Kevin, I want to thank you for this link. Death interest me and I also noted an article on freewill which is something I have thought about frequently since...
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judyw
judyw1941
Feb 4, 2010 6:09 pm
Such a fascinating question and I don't know that I have ever questioned it, though I have lived in a way that I did not always apply that rule. For myself,...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Feb 10, 2010 4:05 am
Steve, I think your response is a thoughtful one. I am not sure that I understand your special sense of subjectivity (which you attribute to Pirsig and the...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Feb 10, 2010 2:30 pm
Background: the Spirit rover on planet Mars was originally planned to last 90 days. Instead, it kept moving for six years. Now stuck, it is to become a...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Feb 10, 2010 3:16 pm
Fantastic find! Thanks for sharing. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:26 AM, TheophileEscargot ... -- Cheers, Michel "If one accomplishes some good though with toil, ...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Feb 11, 2010 12:15 am
Jan writes: _________________ I am not sure that I understand your special sense of subjectivity (which you attribute to Pirsig and the classical Stoics), but ...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Feb 11, 2010 2:58 am
Most people deeply interested in classical Stoicism will sooner or later read Seneca's De Ira, On Anger. In this work, Seneca singles out one example of what...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Feb 11, 2010 4:45 am
Jan wrote: The view of human nature as inherently sinful is a product of Domination mentality. (The ancient Stoic position that the vast majority of humanity...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Feb 11, 2010 9:18 am
But couldn't it also be that Seneca didn't extend his case to the "attachment a person may have to his spouse, parents or siblings" because he didn't believe...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Feb 11, 2010 4:07 pm
Kevin writes: _________________ I believe that the most consistent reading of the Stoics, concerning passions, is that they are irrational movements of the...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Feb 11, 2010 11:19 pm
If the continued existence of my wife is not a good, but only a preferred indifferent (and she is part of my household), then bringing the stranger into the...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Feb 12, 2010 2:36 pm
Sorry for the incoherence of this response. I should have written in the second paragraph: "You may have noted . . . " JG...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Feb 12, 2010 7:07 pm
... Perhaps Seneca did not condemn compassion as inherently evil because the Stoics held that compassion (sumpatheia) is part of Nature and, therefore, Good. ...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Feb 12, 2010 7:35 pm
I agree with you Curt. But Jan wants compassion to be a Stoic pathos to show that Stoicism alone provides inadequate motivation for correct moral behavior. I...
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Feb 13, 2010 8:45 pm
The sumpatheia of which you speak is a physical relationship. Perhaps it is a necessary condition for compassion or empathy in the psychological sense, but...
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stoic_thorn_bearer
stoic_thorn_...
Feb 14, 2010 1:23 am
It seems to me there are some similarities between the way the Stoic and the Christian view sin/animal nature. and will you not feel ennobled on knowing...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Feb 14, 2010 3:53 am
Posidoninus, a head of the Stoic school in the middle Stoa, is said to have believed that Chrysippus, the third head of the school, had deviated from the...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Feb 14, 2010 5:59 am
You mean that Origen of Alexandria and some of the other church fathers may have actually known about Plato, perhaps even read some of his books? How can that...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Feb 14, 2010 6:00 am
Also, I think this St Augustine guy might have known about Plato a little. I don't understand how this can be, he wrote in Latin and seems to have not read...
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andiebethany
Feb 14, 2010 4:43 pm
hi; are there any stoics in colorado ? just wondering, i may want to communicate. elizabeth near denver...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Feb 14, 2010 8:18 pm
First of all, everything in Stoicism is physical. Second of all, if compassion means anything beyond mere sentiment it means that there is a "real" underlying...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Feb 14, 2010 10:02 pm
I've been pondering this and I have a few thoughts. First, a while back the list discussed the theoretical case of a doctor works round the clock during a...
