Fascinating article! Seems a bit harsh on the Goth subculture though. He seems to equate it with the various metal subcultures, but apart from some of the...
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joshuageller
Oct 1, 2009 3:08 pm
As far as I can see it's all about drama, and I'd leave the 'sincere' out of that 'valuing sincere emotion very highly'. ....
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 1, 2009 3:13 pm
Right. This has been added to my Yule wish list, along with Curtz's elusive Musonius Rufus. Has anyone read The Stoics Reader? Thoughts? ... -- Cheers, Michel...
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snailman100
Oct 1, 2009 3:35 pm
Well, I think the usual stoic principle is that if you indulge an emotion, you strengthen it; if you resist an emotion, you weaken it. If so, we should perhaps...
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joshuageller
Oct 1, 2009 4:45 pm
They are largely acting. Indulging in the pathos with out a preceding propathos, to be technical. They do this mostly to manipulate people, like most...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 1, 2009 5:24 pm
The first song that should be included on any memento mori soundtrack is definately Dust In The Wind by Kansas. ... -- Cheers, Michel...
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londonstoic
Oct 2, 2009 1:29 pm
my 3 memento mori pop picks: Don't Fear the Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult Do You Realize by Flaming Lips Worms, by the Pogues, the lyrics to which are: The worms...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 2, 2009 1:37 pm
Awesome! If we could get about 12 -15 of these, we could put together a Stoic Exercises Mix: Vol. 1 - Memento Mori. So far we have Dust in the Wind by Kansas...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Oct 2, 2009 4:17 pm
OK, I don't think the spam filter liked the band name so here goes again Pepper by the B*tth*le Surfers ...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Oct 2, 2009 6:39 pm
Pepper, by the Butthole Surfers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4WUlNSx_Wk Got to object to the Blue Oyster Cult song as it is a glorification of death as a...
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joshuageller
Oct 2, 2009 7:41 pm
Great song though. It is about suicide, but suicide is the open door, after all. Many of their songs are great. Astronomy, Veterans of Psychic Wars, Joan...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 2, 2009 8:24 pm
The was rumored to be about suicide, but it actually deals with the inevitability of death and the belief that we should not fear it. When Buck Dharma (Donald...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Oct 2, 2009 8:41 pm
Looks to me like he was older, wiser, and more apt to cover his butt ;-) ________________________________ From: Michel Daw <michel.daw@...> To:...
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joshuageller
Oct 2, 2009 9:03 pm
I stand corrected. Here are the lyrics to 'Astronomy', just because: The clock strikes twelve and moondrops burst Out at you from their hiding place Like acid...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 2, 2009 9:19 pm
Buh? ... -- Cheers, Michel...
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londonstoic
Oct 5, 2009 12:03 pm
Great Gig In the Sky, by Pink Floyd starts with the quote: "I'm not afraid of dying, anytime will do. I don't mind. Why should I be afraid of dying? There's no...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Oct 5, 2009 2:59 pm
Hi Michel, ... I hate to be a party pooper, but your Stoic Exercises Mix sounds less like Stoic _askesis_, and more like a nostalgic attempt to re-experience...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 5, 2009 3:58 pm
Interesting point. But I see the memento mori as having at least a two-fold purpose. The first is, as you say, to create a sense of importance to every moment....
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londonstoic
Oct 5, 2009 5:02 pm
Dave, In my opinion, you're confusing two different exercises - one is concentrating on the present, and one is the memento mori, which is the conscious focus...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Oct 5, 2009 8:09 pm
Michel, I doubt that music and poetry are appropriate material, or songs and poems appropriate objects, for Stoic _askesis_. Aren't they designed to ...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Oct 5, 2009 9:37 pm
Hmmm. I think that way lies madness, or at very least sterility. There is beauty and awe in the world, there is rational joy. Even in death there is beauty....
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londonstoic
Oct 5, 2009 9:43 pm
So why is the Meditations so full of quotes from poetry and tragedy? ... From: Dave Kelly <ptypes@...> Subject: Re: [stoics] Memento Mori Mix To:...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Oct 5, 2009 10:29 pm
Jules Wrote:    In my opinion, you're confusing two different exercises - one is      concentrating on the present, and one is the memento mori..... ...
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ptypes
Oct 6, 2009 2:51 pm
Hi Jules ... The consciousness of death is, I think, the thing that is subject to the greatest psychological repression. Isn't the purpose of _memento_mori_ to...
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ptypes
Oct 6, 2009 3:17 pm
... I don't know. Perhaps Marcus could deal with those pieces of poetry and tragedy dispassionately. I presume that he judged them to be reasonable and...
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londonstoic
Oct 6, 2009 3:35 pm
Hi Dave, ... dispassionately. I presume that he judged them to be reasonable and edifying thoughts. Right, so one could, today, use pop songs as exhortations...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Oct 6, 2009 5:01 pm
Hi Jules, ... Okay, but before I leave off I want to make it clear that for Marcus Aurelius and me there's more to this than two useful spiritual exercises. We...
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bluestatesofmind
bluestatesof...
Oct 7, 2009 4:08 am
Greetings to everyone. I am in a way, very new to stoicism, yet now that I've found out what stoicism is, it feels like it's something close to how I've always...
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bluestatesofmind
bluestatesof...
Oct 7, 2009 4:25 am
... Okay, I meditated upon this thing and came to the realization that the Epictetus' quote that I borrowed, is not implying that the things that which are...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Oct 7, 2009 9:37 am
Well, I think there are two different issues here. First, in the examples you give, the anxiety is not necessarily outside ones control. Modern Cognitive...
