Jan writes: __________ Â It seems to me that what we call reason is actually a collection of skills having to do with concepts and their connections and the...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2009 2:24 pm
... default position that was accepting of nearly all possible religiosities, and such an approach to religion is incompatible with what Jan Assmann and many ...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2009 3:16 pm
... [some small snips] ... I agree. That is, I agree that there are people who can be reasonably term 'nature mystics', that some of these people identify...
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enkiduq
Sep 1, 2009 3:42 pm
At most Stoics were religious "reformers". They did not seek to overthrow the existing Pagan religious traditions, rather they sought to systematize those...
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snailman100
Sep 1, 2009 3:52 pm
A couple of quotes from the Discourses: When then shall I see Athens again and the Acropolis? Wretch, are you not content with what you see daily? Have you...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Sep 1, 2009 4:09 pm
I have to agree here. The stand that only theists can legitimately see virtue in nature is ridiculous. Fulfilling the promise of one's nature, or of the...
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gert.joos@...
gert.joos...
Sep 1, 2009 5:19 pm
Would love to read some of the texts from Musonius Rufus after what I've heard from him, but $26 for a book of 110 pages???...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Sep 1, 2009 5:27 pm
I wrote, in a response to Steve. ... Analytics, ... political ... understood ... understood that way. (Or, at least, the final stages of such reasoning can be...
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enkiduq
Sep 1, 2009 5:57 pm
it is essential to distinguish between the Christian concept of "Creator" and the very different concept of Demiurge, or Divine Artificer. The Stoics were...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Sep 1, 2009 6:10 pm
Possibly, but I really don't care what the ancient Greeks though of Zeus. At most it is a historical curiosity. What I am looking at is how Stoic principles...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Sep 1, 2009 7:49 pm
William Irvine author of a "Stoic guide to the good life" mentions a new book on Musonius see below As I mention in the "Stoic Reading Program" appendix to A...
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Michael Marino
unkmonk1
Sep 1, 2009 10:39 pm
 At that price, doing without the book would be the preferred indifferent. ... From: gert.joos@... <gert.joos@...> Subject: [stoics] Re: Gaius...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Sep 2, 2009 12:28 am
You would not be paying for pages in a book, but Stoic wisdom. ... You would not be paying for pages in a book, but Stoic wisdom. gert.joos@... wrote: ...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Sep 2, 2009 12:42 am
Fair amount of research on an obscure ancient philosopher, not a very wide audience either. Looks like there are a fair number of books out of print, very few...
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amoswallerst
Sep 2, 2009 12:46 am
Thank you very much, Vicki. One click beats 26 dollars. Amos...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 2, 2009 2:32 pm
... different concept of Demiurge, or Divine Artificer. ... explicit at several points in the Discourses, beginning with Book One, Chapter One. ... For...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 2, 2009 2:55 pm
... the existing Pagan religious traditions, rather they sought to systematize those traditions, while also preserving and perpetuating those traditions. ...
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enkiduq
Sep 2, 2009 8:26 pm
There is no ambiguity. Epictetus addresses his fellow Pagans in exactly the same way that Christian philosophers address their fellow Christians. Epictetus...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Sep 3, 2009 2:42 am
Posted by: "Michel Daw" michel.daw@... michelgdaw Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:09 am (PDT) Michel writes, "The stand that only theists can legitimately see virtue...
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snailman100
Sep 3, 2009 8:19 am
Read an interesting article on the effects of praising the efforts made by a child or student, versus praising their achievement: ...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Sep 3, 2009 12:09 pm
... And this is where we disagree. Your definition of virtue is not agreed upon. And nowhere did I mention individual. Atheist does not equal egotist. The...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 3, 2009 2:58 pm
... same way that Christian philosophers address their fellow Christians. Epictetus seeks to "lift up", if you will, his fellow Pagans, to a higher ...
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dtstrain
Sep 3, 2009 4:18 pm
I (a non-theistic Humanist Stoic) look at it like this... 1) There is a purpose/function for defining words. 2) There is therefore a purpose/function in...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Sep 3, 2009 4:30 pm
Umm do 4 and 9 contradict each other? Since Nature is not within our control, but only our choices with regard to it. It is a great list, and I think you can...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Sep 3, 2009 11:49 pm
... value achievement, stoics won't achieve anything worthwhile.<<< What is this 'achievement' that Stoics do not value? I am also wondering where it is that...
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snailman100
Sep 4, 2009 6:29 am
... We've already covered Bertrand Russell's critiques of stoicism extensively. But one extract was: He [Marcus Aurelius] never inferred that the goodness of...
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dtstrain
Sep 4, 2009 2:31 pm
Thanks Michel, You say you can think of natural things that are not beneficial. If by "natural things" you simply mean things from nature, then you're probably...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Sep 4, 2009 3:03 pm
Thanks Daniel. That does sharpen things up. My only tripping up point is that the phrase "It so happens" makes the relationship between accordance with Nature...
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enkiduq
Sep 4, 2009 9:24 pm
Epictetus appeals to the common belief in Zeus as the fashioner of the Cosmos and of human beings. He appeals to a common belief in the inherent divinity of...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Sep 4, 2009 9:58 pm
Hi Michel, my responses to your response are inserted in the copy of your response. Best wishes--Jan Posted by: "Michel Daw" michel.daw@... michelgdaw ...
