Dear International Forum members, You may have noticed (or you maybe not) that egroups has been gobbled up by Yahoo! Groups. So far as I know most of the...
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Brendan O'Keeffe
bluebottle63@...
Feb 2, 2001 1:35 pm
I have been reading with interest the discussions on God. To me what the stoics hit upon was "the self organising mind of the universe". I think that modern...
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Keith Seddon
K.H.S@...
Feb 2, 2001 1:52 pm
Hello Jan, ... by ... remain. ... am ... Having looked over my Stoic_Foundation yahoogroups pages (which I own and moderate...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 2, 2001 2:14 pm
I largely agree with Brendan, but would add the following observations. The classical Stoics tended to think of "the god" (i.e. Zeus) in at least three ways: ...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 2, 2001 2:33 pm
In relation to my previous (just sent) post on "God," item (3) should say "...together with the other three elements" (not "...together with the other four...
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Brendan O'Keeffe
bluebottle63@...
Feb 3, 2001 11:47 am
I agree That is a very enlightening view Jan. I get the impression that when people are talking of the modern or cyber stoa they are trying to make it out to...
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dchave@...
Feb 4, 2001 1:38 am
Does the stoic zeus being self created, retain a portion that is unmanifest?(Plotinus seems to think so) And therefore this Zeus within itself is limitless? Or...
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Timothy Anstiss
Anstiss.Shl@...
Feb 5, 2001 6:07 am
brendan talks of the "the self organising mind of the universe". could someone explain what a "self organising mind of the universe is". As far as I am aware,...
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call me "AP"
APigeon@...
Feb 8, 2001 5:51 am
It has been forever since I posted on this board. I've been hanging around with atheists, who can be a rough and unforgiving bunch sometimes. I am reading The...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 8, 2001 2:16 pm
I discussed three meanings of "God" for the Stoics in a recent post. Though those meanings are distinct, they are not inconsistent with each other. One Stoic...
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Keith Seddon
K.H.S@...
Feb 8, 2001 7:41 pm
... I have looked thru my Oldfather (Loeb) translation of Epictetus and found that Epictetus uses three terms for God: (1) Dios and (2) Zeus are both...
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dchave@...
Feb 9, 2001 5:26 am
In addition to the topic at hand, Zeus(pronounced Zay-os,quickly) is literally "father of life" . As "Zoe" the girls name is "life", so Zeus ending in -eus... ...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 9, 2001 2:20 pm
"theou" in Greek is the genitive of "theos," that is, it means roughly (in literal translation) "of (the) god" while "theos" is "god" (nominative, i.e., usable...
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Brendan O'Keeffe
bluebottle63@...
Feb 9, 2001 11:08 pm
I presume nature or providence equates with the concept "reason"as understood by the ancient Soics? Brendan ... ...
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Timothy Anstiss
Anstiss.Shl@...
Feb 11, 2001 7:00 pm
Tim wrote: brendan talks of the "the self organising mind of the universe". ... interesting question, but it appears people don't want to reply. maybe it...
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dchave@...
Feb 11, 2001 8:28 pm
responding: Have minds been discovered apart from brains? Mind and brain are not interchangeable. Mind is not motor skills or basic life functions. Mind is our...
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Timothy Anstiss
Anstiss.Shl@...
Feb 12, 2001 5:37 am
thanks - but you haven't answered the questions. you have merely restated your belief that mind is everywhere - a statement of faith. tim ... From:...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 12, 2001 2:00 pm
Logos ("reason") as it is understood to pervade and control the cosmos would be essentially identical to (divine) providence. There is just a difference in ...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 12, 2001 4:18 pm
There is something, I think, to the distinction between mind and brain, but we ought not let the fact that "mind" and "brain" are both nouns bewitch us into...
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Gerold Reimondo
grj@...
Feb 12, 2001 11:09 pm
Hi, Since I am new to this forum, I have been contenting myself with simply following the discussions and allowing more experienced members to respond. I...
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dchave@...
Feb 13, 2001 3:24 am
... responding: What is the medium of exchange? what allows you and others to regognize and observe(the same) phenomenon? Mind gives form to stimuli. Without...
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Timothy Anstiss
Anstiss.Shl@...
Feb 13, 2001 7:26 am
dchave writes: "Mind gives form to stimuli. Without mind everything is formless; the various vibrational states of matter have no regularity with which to...
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Jan Garrett
jan.garrett@...
Feb 13, 2001 2:32 pm
Although I haven't read Jantsch's book, Gerold's description of it indicates that it is developed within the framework of systems theory, which, though...
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dchave@...
Feb 14, 2001 1:39 am
Tim, it is valuable to elucidate these issues for the sake of all...(: Now, the electrical impulses are 'known' and have always been observed by US(humans),...
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Timothy Anstiss
Anstiss.Shl@...
Feb 14, 2001 5:57 am
Thanks, I still have difficulties with some of the terms people use - and it may be because we are using the same word when we mena different things, and...
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Keith Seddon
K.H.S@...
Feb 14, 2001 8:31 pm
Dear Friends, Just to quickly say that all the Course Papers for the Stoic Foundation correspondence course are now completed. The Foundation and the Course...
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wolf@...
Feb 17, 2001 4:34 pm
Greetings To All, It has been something of a personal quest of mine to identify and understand the nature of the one [aka, "God", "spirit", life force...] I...
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dchave@...
Feb 17, 2001 9:22 pm
Dear Tim, I suspect observation will show...that reality is a continuum of energy. The outlined and apparent separation of 'entities' either conscious or not...
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Thomas
tc23@...
Feb 18, 2001 11:14 pm
I was just in Lyon (France) this week-end (ancient name: Lugdunum, capital of Gaul) and was visiting the well preserved Roman theatre there, that could seat 10...
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dchave@...
Feb 19, 2001 1:49 am
Are the ancient stoa unanimous about no survival of consciousness after death? What is the "orthodox"; stoic position of the after life?...
