Steve: Well played! I would add that as one progresses through the stages, one may carry part of that stage forwrd with them. For example, the use of ritual...
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Michel Daw
michelgdaw
Apr 1, 2009 11:19 am
And yet, if your goal is to communicate effectively (perhaps as an expression of your belief in the brotherhood of man) , you can use the reflection of an...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Apr 1, 2009 1:23 pm
Gich writes: ___________________ So far as I'm aware, Epictetus does not, anywhere, discuss a 'criterion of truth'. It doesn't seem to me that Epictetus, in...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 1, 2009 1:53 pm
I think that the term itself was a technical term of the school. I don’t think E would have used it unless he meant to use it to convey technical stoic...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 1, 2009 2:28 pm
The article conflates "religion"; with "supernatural thinking". It is far from clear whether or not any such thing as "supernatural thinking" actually exists....
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 1, 2009 2:32 pm
What is the Greek term for "criterion of truth"? ... From: gich2 <gich2@...> Subject: Re: [stoics] The Stoic Criterion of Truth [was: Epictetus'...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 1, 2009 3:18 pm
So then you are suggesting that the meaning Chrysippus assciated with the Greek term "phantasia katalêptik" is criterion of truth, and that when E uses this...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 1, 2009 7:03 pm
When Epictetus writes in Discourse 3.8, "If we train ourselves in this manner, we shall make progress; for we shall never assent to anything of which there is...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 1, 2009 7:13 pm
... I agree with Gich that Epictetus seems not to have been particularly interested in developing a detailed epistemology. I object to the phrase 'criterion of...
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cherokee_purple
Apr 1, 2009 7:21 pm
Hello, ... I wouldn't have thought of this one myself, although what the criteria for a thing/pattern/etc's constituting consciousness might be is a question...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Apr 1, 2009 7:28 pm
Some Stoic passages seem to have the first in mind--a phantasia katalptik is an appearance that really does arise from the object itself. --Grant ... This...
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cherokee_purple
Apr 1, 2009 7:37 pm
Hi, ... While I'll agree wholeheartedly with you that the question of whether the universe as a whole is a mere intellectual diversion and, as such, is beside...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 1, 2009 8:23 pm
Grant : I agree with Gich that Epictetus seems not to have been particularly interested in developing a detailed epistemology. Kevin: Perhaps not developing,...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 1, 2009 9:03 pm
While I think that the Discourses, as we have them, should be taken as a reliable guide to Epictetus' thought, we must still keep in mind that Arrian wrote...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 1, 2009 9:17 pm
... As far as I am aware, there is nothing in modern science, whether we take it seriously or not, that in any way impinges on any of Plato's premises. But...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Apr 1, 2009 9:47 pm
... be accepted today, at least if we take modern science seriously. --Jan ... As far as I am aware, there is nothing in modern science, whether we take it...
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Amos
vivepablo
Apr 1, 2009 10:21 pm
Let's get real, please. The Greeks, Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics were philosophical geniuses, but the next time you get sick, would you go to a...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 1, 2009 10:38 pm
... Please, Amos, by all means feel free to spout irrelevancies. "Modern" medicine owes a great deal to the ancients. Improvements have been made along the way...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 1, 2009 10:39 pm
... Let's leave your beliefs out of this. How does the section you quoted violate Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation? That the movements of stars are...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Apr 1, 2009 10:53 pm
It would depend what was wrong with me. Some things traditional medicine is preferable. Medicine is not science, though it has its scientific aspects. Medicine...
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Amos
vivepablo
Apr 1, 2009 11:02 pm
Agreed. But many people think and they may be right that mental illnesses are not really illnesses, but spiritual problems or existential problems....
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Apr 1, 2009 11:19 pm
... There are spiritual problems and there are different proportions of various chemicals in the brain. Which causes which is pretty much a chicken and egg...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 2, 2009 12:10 am
The ancient Greeks didn't know from cholesterol - but they knew how to stay in shape. One theory of how the Athenians won the Battle of Marathon was that the...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Apr 2, 2009 12:16 am
Let's leave your beliefs out of this. --Curt ... You first. --Mark ... To a Platonist the gravitational interactions of the stars with each other is a...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 2, 2009 12:56 am
... Plato's metaphysical view led him to believe that the movements of the stars could be described precisely with mathematics. Galileo and Kepler...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 2, 2009 1:17 pm
Newton was not wrong at all. If you want to travel to Mars on a rocket ship, or do calculations on the orbit of the Moon around the Earth or the Earth around...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 2, 2009 1:49 pm
My objective was to try and “pin you down” so-to-speak. You usually seem to have a skeptical (Greek version) attitude, and you often seem to imply E had...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2009 2:37 pm
... The core principles of Christianity are principles about God, Jesus, etc. (I've already gone through that discussion on this List, and don't want to...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2009 2:55 pm
... I don't think there's anything interesting to say about it. I mean that in a literal sense. I am directly aware of my consciousness. Indeed, my...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Apr 2, 2009 3:03 pm
... It is one thing to speak of "evidence";, it is another thing to have evidence. Curt...
