I'm talking about all those who supported Stalin and Mao - especially those who did so from a safe distance. And very much including all those who made various...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 28, 2009 9:42 pm
Being an American I am in favor of the US having military advantages over everybody else, if that can be managed at all. --Josh ... I fully agree with you...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Feb 28, 2009 9:44 pm
... recent paganism and fascism. Apparently there is also no necessary contradiction between them, if paganism is taken generically. ... Are you proposing that...
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Amos
vivepablo
Feb 28, 2009 9:49 pm
Curt: I agree. Supporting dictatorships from a safe distance is not a sign of nobility. In fact, supporting any kind of atrocity or injustice from a...
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Nicholas Tracy
nchlstracy
Feb 28, 2009 10:17 pm
If I may say, there is a difference between fascism and National Socialism....
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Feb 28, 2009 10:23 pm
The comparative power of one's state is obviously an external thing, not in our control. --Jan ... And as such is an indifferent. I prefer that the United...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 28, 2009 10:25 pm
For once I agree with Mark. Leonard Cohen is tops. Glad to know he is still active. His poetry is difficult to understand without the right context, and I...
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Michael Paris
theta327
Feb 28, 2009 10:32 pm
Good that Stoicism made a difference for the better. Reminds me of three instances of deep emotional difficulty, two in the past, before I had any real idea of...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 28, 2009 10:36 pm
I meant no more than that we have the example of the Nazi pagan eco-fascists. It does not follow from the fact that one believes in many gods that one cannot...
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Michael Paris
theta327
Feb 28, 2009 10:37 pm
I wonder if anyone understands Wittgenstein and Derrida, and some of the other French philosophers. Certainly some have been inspired by them, e.g., Anscombe...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Feb 28, 2009 10:59 pm
That sounds like a good explanation to me, especially as it came largely from his own words. Along the same lines, but much less subtly described, is Paul...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Feb 28, 2009 11:00 pm
... You are talking as if you can't have one without the other. Do you really believe that? ... Like in medieval Iceland, right? ... Dogs have property. ... ...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Feb 28, 2009 11:02 pm
... Or Pol Pot, like Dr Noam Chomsky. Talk about a ouanquerre! ....
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Feb 28, 2009 11:13 pm
Actually, Jan, my justification for this attitude is that since war is inevitable (there will always be war) I prefer to have the inevitable wars that my...
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Amos
vivepablo
Feb 28, 2009 11:16 pm
Maybe we could name Leonard Cohen official singer for the Stoic Forum. I don't know much of his work, but there's a song that they play on the radio here,...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Feb 28, 2009 11:28 pm
... You are talking as if you can't have one without the other. Do you really believe that? --Josh ... Yeah, I really believe that. Just like our Founders...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Feb 28, 2009 11:51 pm
Maybe we could name Leonard Cohen official singer for the Stoic Forum. --Amos ... We could have worse bards. I fully agree with you, Amos. Leonard Cohen...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 28, 2009 11:55 pm
As I read it, this is a backhanded justification for preemptive wars. If "our side" can use it, so can "theirs" (whoever "they" are). Even if it is true, as I...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 1, 2009 12:01 am
Mark, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the history of the country of Iceland. ....
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Mar 1, 2009 12:01 am
Mark: I'm not ready to throw up my hands and go the utilitarian route that rights are entirely a fiction but just happen to accidentally correlate to the best...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Mar 1, 2009 12:04 am
I understand some works by Wittgenstein (don't have time to explain them right now) and recently I heard a lecture by a young Plato scholar who connected her...
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leoiermano@...
leoiermano
Mar 1, 2009 12:09 am
Well put Steve I would also like to share a story on the power of adopting Stoic principles. In our street lives a very unstable,angry,alcoholic fueled...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 1, 2009 12:10 am
Jan, the World works a certain way. I am not going to argue with you about it. If you want to believe that it works in a different way, it is your privilege to...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 1, 2009 12:14 am
There are all sorts of ways to encourage people to move. Really, there is a whole range of them. Burning his house down would work well, for instance. I happen...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Mar 1, 2009 12:40 am
Kevin, perhaps I mis-used "propertied," whose common meaning I recognize to be as you assert, that of being in control of very large amounts of property...
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Michael Paris
theta327
Mar 1, 2009 1:04 am
The Tractatus was fairly clear, as those things go, but the later W. befuddles me. The French philosophers I rather like. Seems like some of the most ...
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Amos
vivepablo
Mar 1, 2009 1:06 am
Leo: I use the barking dog strategy myself often when there are problems with the neighbors. It doesn't do away with the problem, of course, but I don't...
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Amos
vivepablo
Mar 1, 2009 1:09 am
For the later Wittgenstein, try On Certainty. It's a lot clearer and more focused than the Philosophical Investigations. Amos ... W. ... will, of ... ...
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fvanderpoel
Mar 1, 2009 2:00 am
... No way Jan is a Jesuit. He has not asked us for 10% of our life earnings....
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Mar 1, 2009 2:22 am
I attended a jesuit university (Seattle U) for a couple of years. The SJ's are alright with me. I highly recommend Ignatius of Loyola's "Spiritual Exercises"....
