On TJ freeing his slaves: I don't think one could simply choose to individually free one's slaves at that time. They were considered property. Someone would...
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Tony
anthony_j_ca...
Jan 3, 2009 1:39 pm
I just wanted to take the time to express my wonder and amazement at one particurlarly inspirational passage from Marcus Book 2.17. "The duration of a person's...
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Tony
anthony_j_ca...
Jan 3, 2009 2:21 pm
... at ... of ... and ... pleasures, ... of ... source, ... consists ... souls. ... For those interested, I took this passage from The Essential Marcus ...
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Steve
marquis95960
Jan 3, 2009 5:11 pm
Kevin writes: ____________ I do not think omniscience is required to "know" something in a Stoic sense, for two reasons. . . . I don't think even in this case...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
Jan 3, 2009 9:12 pm
Hi Kevin, I like the use that Epictetus, according to Pierre Hadot, made of the concept, _phantasiai_kataleptikai_ . "As is well known, the Stoics held that...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Jan 3, 2009 11:12 pm
Thanks Tony I was bought up a Roman Catholic and since I have embraced Stoicism I cannot believe the simplicity and beauty of its teachings ( don't get me...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Jan 4, 2009 12:03 am
I will readily admit that my conceptions of Stoic epistemology may be in error. They are based on my readings, as are yours no doubt, and to some extent it...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Jan 4, 2009 1:07 am
I tend to believe that ... From: Leo Iermano <leoiermano@...> Subject: Re: [stoics] Re: Marcus the Philosopher To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Date:...
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Tony
anthony_j_ca...
Jan 4, 2009 1:20 am
... Thanks Leo and Mark, I, too, was raised Roman Catholic and it took me many years since adolescence to deprogram from what I consider to be brainwashing....
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rick.bamford
Jan 4, 2009 3:06 am
I dunno... I guess perhaps you're right and my criticism of TJ is unfair. Perhaps I am judging him unfairly by the standards of a more enlightened time....
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leoiermano@...
leoiermano
Jan 4, 2009 8:14 am
Hi All Stoicism has taught me tolerance and these days I do not get into any arguments on Rreligon . I find people readily criticize there beliefs voluntarily....
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Amos
vivepablo
Jan 4, 2009 1:56 pm
I'm not a history expert either, but according to Wikipedia, Blacks were free in most of the Northern states. Amos ...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Jan 4, 2009 4:01 pm
I find TJ's actions, or lack thereof, akin to someone who professes to love animals, yet still eats meat. --Rick ... Vegetarians are good food. ... From:...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Jan 4, 2009 4:03 pm
Please forgive me. I keep hitting "send" instead of "cancel." I've done that twice now in as many days on posts I've meant to cancel. Happy New Year for...
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Stephen
smellincoffee
Jan 4, 2009 5:11 pm
Hello, all: This is my first message here, and I was attracted by the name of Aurelius: my reading of his Meditations was my first experience with Stoicism...
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Daniel
dtstrain
Jan 4, 2009 6:07 pm
Is there a single book with all of the writings of the major Stoic writers bound together? If not, there should be....
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Jan 4, 2009 6:08 pm
I don't think you are being too cynical. Epictetus liked to compare the study of philosophy with a visit to a surgeon - this was about 2000 years prior to the...
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Nicholas Tracy
nchlstracy
Jan 4, 2009 6:13 pm
 I am an avid reader of history, and philosophy. While I am unaware of the vast amount of knowledge on stoicism, I plan to learn more, and hopefully pursue...
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Fortunatus
tlfortunatus
Jan 4, 2009 6:32 pm
... "Gladiator" is highly fictionalized. There's no evidence I'm aware of that M Aurelius intended to return Rome to a republican form of government. -Conrad ...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 4, 2009 8:21 pm
... Not only is this idea fictional, but it is a silly fiction. By the time of Aurelias, the political structure of the Empire had decayed to a point that the...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Jan 4, 2009 8:57 pm
... In fact, people still dreamed, as it were, of the Republic. The Republican period was pretty much universally viewed in very romantic terms - a time when...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Jan 4, 2009 9:15 pm
Hi Daniel The book would be indeed biblical in size "Seneca's essays" run to almost 400 pages. Cheers Leo ... From: Daniel <dtstrain@...> Subject:...
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JIM GODDARD
jim660331
Jan 4, 2009 10:17 pm
Hello Stephen, If you liked the 'Meditations', I would suggest your next step be to get a copy of Epictetus' 'Encheridion', or 'Manual for Living' (as the most...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Jan 4, 2009 11:58 pm
I think the problem we have is the behavior of crowds and the Machievellian machinations of a few. If the lessons taught by Jesus of Nazareth can be perverted...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Jan 5, 2009 12:02 am
Who exactly are you referring to when you speak of "the teachings of a guy who insulted Christians who he tortured to death?" Curt...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Jan 5, 2009 12:15 am
Marcus Aurelius "Marcus Aurelius's reputation is shadowed by his persecution of Christians. A devout adherent of the Roman religion, Marcus Aurelius...
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Nicholas Tracy
nchlstracy
Jan 5, 2009 12:26 am
I thought Gaul was still polytheistic during his reign, only towards the end of the Roman empire and after did it become Chrsitian. And what "roman religion"...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Jan 5, 2009 12:42 am
... Oh - well I guess since you read it on the teh internets it must be true!! The fact is that Christians often actively sought out martyrdom by committing...
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Nicholas Tracy
nchlstracy
Jan 5, 2009 12:56 am
Curt, If I may ask, how could the Romans allow such a force as Christianity to gain such draconian power? I know Constantine made it the state religion but...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Jan 5, 2009 2:06 am
Big bone of contention was recognition of the Emperor as a god. Also Christians were scapegoated by the likes of Nero who blamed them for setting a fire many...
