Thanks Erika for the welcome. The diversity here is already obvious and it's very welcome from my point of view. I love fact that Stoicism is so diverse. On...
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jason31270
Nov 1, 2008 9:59 am
Hey Steve, ... what exactly do you mean by 'enlightened'?<< The second one is very big, maybe too big for my second day here! But I mean, in Western terms,...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Nov 1, 2008 11:52 am
Mark wrote: "Working class" is no more an intrinsic part of you than is American-ness, male-ness, etc. Why trip on it? .................................... ...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Nov 1, 2008 12:28 pm
Pardon me, Mr Inferiority Complex, but I stopped attending school when I was fourteen. I've been a soldier, a businessman, a psychiatric nurse, a taxi driver...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Nov 1, 2008 1:09 pm
I said "this group", I did not say every member in this group. I thought that would be obvious enough, without making a short message long by discussing all...
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brunians@...
joshuageller
Nov 1, 2008 1:33 pm
Certainly not bothersome, Malcolm. Bathetic, maybe, but never bothersome. ....
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Nov 1, 2008 1:38 pm
... Certainly not bothersome, Malcolm. Bathetic, maybe, but never bothersome. ............................ Bathetic? Well, if that's the way you see it....
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Nov 1, 2008 1:54 pm
(resending of message because the first time seemed to fail.) Bathetic? Well, if that's the way you see it. Personally I think its funny. Malcolm ... From:...
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Amos
vivepablo
Nov 1, 2008 2:14 pm
Actually, what strikes me about this list, which includes only four professional philosophers (rough count) is the amount of learning and reflection about...
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jason31270
Nov 1, 2008 3:20 pm
Amos: <<Almost of us are self-taught.>> Me too. Josh has me by 3 years, I left school at 17. j...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Nov 1, 2008 4:38 pm
... To paraphrase a recent addition to modern English street slang: "Every body knows it ain't trippin' if you got it." ...
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Curt Steinmetz
enkiduq
Nov 1, 2008 4:43 pm
... It is widely believed that what is taught in classrooms as "philosophy" today bears little resemblance to the genuine article. No offense to the pros on...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Nov 1, 2008 8:03 pm
The best study I've read lately on the real nature of modern "democracy" as distinguished from the fictions we like to tell ourselves about it is Edmund S....
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Steve Gluck
sequitorian
Nov 1, 2008 8:05 pm
In the thirty years I lived in California I must have met thousands of people who were studying under some `enlightened teacher' – many who considered...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Nov 1, 2008 8:21 pm
Plato and Zeno (reading between the lines) were at least approximately right in suggesting that learning philosophy requires a "person enamored of the good."...
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jason31270
Nov 1, 2008 8:34 pm
Well Steve I can only tell you that Glenn would have agreed with you wholeheartedly on many points, as do I. 98% bull is the rule on such question, in fact the...
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Amos
vivepablo
Nov 1, 2008 11:09 pm
I have no doubt that many persons experience what is commonly called enlightenment. I wonder why that experience is considered to be higher than our normal...
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jason31270
Nov 1, 2008 11:42 pm
Hey Amos, We're threatening to go off the topic of this thread and of the entire board... ... I think only very few. ... The enlightenment I'm talking about...
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cherokee_purple
Nov 2, 2008 12:37 am
Thanks, Jan, for continuing this in a seperate thread. I was thinking about chiming in, but I was concerned that the old thread was getting too off topic. ...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Nov 2, 2008 12:48 am
Ralph Waldo Emerson, "The Over-Soul." http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/authors/emerson/index.html Click on Complete Works, then on Browse, then on...
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Steve Gluck
sequitorian
Nov 2, 2008 12:57 am
I assume that your response to Amos included the real definition of enlightenment from the enlightened one himself (or maybe it was from the other enlightened...
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Amos
vivepablo
Nov 2, 2008 1:23 am
Look, I've been to Buddhist meditation sessions and after an hour of meditating in silence, your mind gets calmer, your blood pressure goes down, you...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Nov 2, 2008 1:55 am
Note all the conceptual metaphors here. Higher. Awakening. Perhaps all we know about higher things when somebody is describing them as such is that the...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Nov 2, 2008 2:03 am
Malcolm, I think it is silly to bring one's relationship to the means of production into the conversation as if it had any relevance. It is also ironic that...
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jason31270
Nov 2, 2008 8:31 am
Steve, It's obviously fine with me if you don't want to pursue enlightenment, or know you are better off without it! I don't suggest otherwise, I was simply...
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jason31270
Nov 2, 2008 8:41 am
Jan Garrett: <<Is "higher" what some people call an incomplete predicate? That is, to make sense of what is being said, one must answer "higher (more valuable)...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Nov 2, 2008 12:16 pm
Jason, Probably this sort of thing comes under the category of what Abraham Maslow called "peak experiences", and which we have previously discussed on the...
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jason31270
Nov 2, 2008 12:35 pm
Malcolm: << Probably this sort of thing comes under the category of what Abraham Maslow called "peak experiences", and which we have previously discussed on...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Nov 2, 2008 12:39 pm
Mark, I feel so devastated that you disagree with me about class issues. NB: I did not say social stratification has anything to with Stoic philosophy. I did...
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Amos
vivepablo
Nov 2, 2008 1:11 pm
What Malcolm says about peak experiences is true, as is what Jan says about metaphors, that is, we call something "higher" when it has more value for us....
