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21550
I was thinking about Stoicism and some other things recently, and I've come across an interesting conundrum that probably points to some failure of...
Daniel
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Thanks for your response Grant. ... _perception_ ... acquaintance_ ... ever be ... This is highly interesting to me. I had thought before you were thinking of...
Daniel
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There is, I think, a partial answer to your puzzle in the following considerations. 1) The Stoics (at least the early Stoics) agree with Aristotle that the...
Nancy Garrett
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21553
... Let's start with a perceptual case. I have the mental experience of "seeing a chair", and I infer from this that there is a chair in the room. The chair...
Grant Sterling
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... Here's my take, FWIW: Contentment and eudaimonia are not synonymous. Probably someone without contentment could not have eudaimonia (so it may be a...
Grant Sterling
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Any question such as "why would it make a difference to our contentment that we make wise decisions?" calls into question the integrity of the person asking...
Curt Steinmetz
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I'd probably sell my soul for contentment--and a jelly donut, of course. ... From: Curt Steinmetz <curt@...> Subject: Re: [stoics] A Conundrum? To:...
Mark Travis
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The irony is - the less willing you are to sell your soul, the higher the price you can get when you eventually do. ;) Curt...
Curt Steinmetz
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Jan, I associate “…actions and feeling-events,” with impulse and desires \ aversions. Did you intend this association? If so, do you think judgments and...
Kevin
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I haven't been following this thread, so this may be tangential, but Epictetus definitely considers we should regret non-virtuous past behaviour as the poem...
gich2
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Oct 2, 2008
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Thanks much for the responses so far everyone - I hope to see more :) I will respond to Grant and Curt first, whose answers I have difficulties with. Then I'll...
Daniel
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Daniel wrote: *** If the wise person does not receive distress from the things he cannot control (including past actions) that should be enough to provide ...
Kevin
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... I agree. ... But just as the "intellectual recognition" that something is good is either identical to a desire or necessarily produces a desire, so too the...
Grant Sterling
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Grant, Yes, I see now that you have a good point when you draw the distinction between a passion based on a false judgment, and one based on a true judgment...
Daniel
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I don't object to your making this association, but I am more comfortable with the earlier Stoic terminology that conceives actions (=voluntary choices...
jan.garrett
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... also answer my own question. Why should someone say 2+2 is 4 instead of 5? ... a division inside of my own rationality. I think having a rational faculty...
Daniel
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"Ahistorical religions and cultures by definition do not have central myths about history, myths expressing what is to them the meaning of history. However...
jan.garrett
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I would say that for the general question “why someone should do the right thing if they can be content no matter what?” The answer is because it is the...
Kevin
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The crux of the Conundrum is the feeling of contentment. Can we feel content with ever present visciousness? If you can then it matters not to you weather...
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OOPS! Sorry about the spelling errors...i have no excuse but that I've not been using my head for much but holding down my body lately. Joe ... feel ... not ...
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... Certainly no ancient Stoic philosopher, or for that matter Cicero (a Platonist, not a Stoic - but an important source for Stoicism), ever said that our...
Curt Steinmetz
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Cicero was an Academic Skeptic, of the general persuasion of Carneades, hardly a Platonist. The Skeptics led by Archelaus took over what had been Plato's...
jan.garrett
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My memory of the texts fails me at the moment. I'm not sure if I can find an example of a stoic speaking speciffically of the lack of import of our past, but I...
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On Margaret Graver's website ( she is the author of the 2007 book "Stoics and Emotion') she mentions the she and A. A. Long are co- authoring a new full...
Steven Paul Hamilton
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Oct 6, 2008
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... right thing if they can be content no matter what?" The answer is because it is the right -correct and rational- thing to do. ... Yes, Grant takes this...
Daniel
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... I wasn't aware that Rufus's writings were extant, but apparently there are sayings and lectures recorded by his students. This is exciting. ....
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There was one English translation by Cora Lutz published in 1947 by the Princeton University Press.  It is out-of-print and is only available through a small...
Steven Hamilton
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... Suppose someone performs an action at time t. They must believe that this action will be good or produce something good. (This belief may be irrational,...
Grant Sterling
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Daniel wrote: Rather, I think a better approach is to recognize that *ethics is good for us*, and that ethics exist for *our* sake. Further, to understand just...
Kevin
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Since the quantity of the Musonius material is much smaller, it should be a considerably easier task than a retranslation of Seneca's Epistles. ... From:...
jan.garrett
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