Hi All This is the question posed: Stoicism permits suicide when life cannot be endured. Is this inconsistent with submission to destiny or with classifying...
Firstly, let me make it clear that in the following, I'm _only_ talking about _other people's behaviour_, and not at all about 'what day it' is or 'the...
... I completely agree. But let's be careful here--are we talking about whether the actions of the other person can be both rational and irrational at the...
... I don't think so. It doesn't conflict with submission to destiny if you have the view (previously articulated) that you're only supposed to commit suicide...
Gich: All 'choices' lead to 'actions' that are 'aimed at' specific 'outcomes'. Stoicism teaches that if the 'aimed for outcome' is not achieved this should not...
Wonderful, Grant! This must be a first. You and I have complete agreement on something. Perhaps I misunderstood you in earlier posts; we'll have to wait until...
... Sorry Grant, I replied too quickly. The importance of your penultimate sentence had not registered. Why do you think "one of those opinions will be a false...
Lucian, Dio, and Epictetus are three of the four sources for a composite Roman-era portrait of the ideal philosopher, as described in lecture V in the Teaching...
Damasio's book is generally regarded as a major achievement in cognitive science. This is an early review but it continues to be cited as important, e.g., in a...
... Gichism? I don't know. It's no theory that I've ever encountered. ... I am perfectly happy with the claim that we aim at indifferent, and that external...
... You said it yourself--it's impossible for her action to be both rational and irrational. Ergo, if one person forms the opinion that the action was...
It's one thing to be a cool-headed passionless thinker and another thing to be a person incapable of passion. When one thinks about complex issues, a...
If we do not presuppose strict Stoicism (for the sake of discussion), then one might argue that cool-headed rationality of the sort you recommend, Amos, is not...
... I didn't say this! I said: "Oscar and Oliver can't both be right, unless we accept that Janice's behaviour can be both rational and irrational at the same...
I understand the factor that you mention, Jan, that of reflecting on emotions. In addition, a person without emotions would be a robot or a computer....
... The fact that this isn't what the Stoics mean when they call something a preferred indifferent. There's no point using Stoic technical terminology unless...
... Except that this would be silly. I may think the earth is a sphere, and Bubba may think the earth is flat, but that doesn't make the earth both a sphere...
... Again: the murderer aims at the death of his victim. This does not make the death of the victim a preferred indifferent. The sadistic rapist aims at his...
... A Stoic sage is not supposed to have any emotions that require mastering. 'Mastering the emotions' is part of Aristotelianism not Stoicism, ... at least...
... Who are these 'Stoics' that you're talking about? Certainly not Epictetus, who does not use the term 'preferred indifferent'. ... I'll assume you mean...
... This sort of statement is the root of your confusion. You keep mixing up 'facts', like whether the earth is flat, or not, with 'opinions' concerning why...
... I didn't say it did. ... I didn't say it did. ... I didn't say it did. ... From: Grant Sterling To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Cc: stoics@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
You're right, Gich, and I too have made that point in the past when discussing the classical (mainstream/Chrysippean) Stoic position. The only way I can think...
Gich, for what it is worth I specifically remember Epictetus using the terms "preferred" and "dis-preferred" towards indifferents in my translation (Hard). It...
It’s interesting to note the extent to which Stoicism still infuses American politics, by taking a brief look at the American presidential election. Nearly...
I sent to quickly: I guess it is your opinion that E never used those terms, and my opinion that he did. The fact remains to be seen.... Kevin ... From:...
... AFAIK, all Stoics who use the term "preferred indifferent" use it as I am using it. ... I don't see how you can take my sentence, which says the opposite...
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