... Grant: Comments like these are the ones that make me suspect that you do not understand what the Stoics mean by choosing correctly. I see absolutely no...
Hello Mark. In the UK, 'spanking' of children is forbidden; laws have recently been passed on this particular subject. See post to Grant for further...
... Quite true. ... Well, any action the parents take against Jenny may in fact lead to unintended (and dispreferred) consequences for the younger children, ...
Hi All I was considering purchasing Montaigne's Essays after reading a recommendation in a Stoic site entitled the stoic legacy to the renaissance. Has anyone...
Here in Chile we've been increasingly aware of the problem of domestic violence, husbands hitting wives, parents hitting children, and there are more and...
I won't be posting to the group very much for the next two weeks or so--I have a major project due before the Fall semester starts.... ... Sometimes. But I...
... You will be missed. You make me think. ... It is, ultimately, his life. Until the fashion for extended adolescence came in a hundred years ago or so, he...
... What on earth is this? You don't have any idea what 'a fully rational evaluation of the situation' might be; ... you can't even define such a thing. If you...
... A fully rational evaluation of the situation might be a description of the events concerned, entities involved and motivations of all known actors that...
Gich writes: ________________ If such a thing as a `correct choice' exists at all, it may be the case that one of its characteristics would indeed be a...
... Looking at the situation without pathos and weighing the evidence. ... I can say with great confidence that when the Stoics talk about 'correct choices'...
... I was short of time and my first comments concerning 'correct choice' were wrong; I had in mind 'perfect choice' [which crops up later in the post] which...
Gich writes: _______________ I was short of time and my first comments concerning ‘correct choice’ were wrong; I had in mind ‘perfect choice’ [which...
... When the Stoics says that the Sage never errs, they mean that the Sage make correct choices (as you've defined them) every time. So there is no additional...
Steve, I don't have time to read your post at the moment but I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Something important has cropped up which I want to pass...
I think I can demonstrate major flaws in the concept of the Stoic sage. To set the background and clarify my terminology: all 'choices' lead to 'actions' that...
... If you're defining 'perfect outcome' in such a way that it explicitly excludes considerations relating to the agent's own virtuous state, then indeed we...
... Smith has a car that would be absolutely perfect for Jones' purposes. If Jones is a Sage, he does not have an option available to him that a non-Sage would...
... The option of blowing up emotionally at Jenny would _likely_ lead to an outcome very far distant from the perfect one, but it _might_ work. The option of...
The way it is normally done is, you swap clean plates onto the car, and you know your business (that is, you can tell which cars have radiotrackers on them,...
Gich writes: ________________ This means that sages don't have certain choices that are available to non-sages. So, when dealing with real-life problems, the...
... What on earth makes you think that Jenny's father, wanting the very best for Jenny, might be a vicious person? And I've had another thought: It seems to me...
BTW, why are you so determined to knock down the Sage???? What benefit will this give us????? It will show you, and other group members, that the unemotional...
I'll walk you through the instance of the Broad Generalization fallacy you are committing. ... Yes -- in this case, for him to feign the emotion would be a...
Gich Wrote: I think I can demonstrate major flaws in the concept of the Stoic sage. To set the background and clarify my terminology: all ‘choices’ lead to...
I must say, all of you on this board seem way to obsesed with the concept of sagehood. To me it's like debating over whether or not a Utopia can really exist;...
... Three important differences are: 1) Stoics think that the only thing keeping us from being Sages is our own failure to chooce correctly. Many proposed...
We all aren't: gich is. Grant just seems to like bashing his head against the wall, or practicing the maintenance of his personality in conformance with a...
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