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... I hope I don't turn anyone off when I say that I am a huge fan of the "Four Horseman of the Counter-Apocalypse": Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam...
Anthony Callan
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Tony writes: _______________ Modern science has found a cosmic mind/divine providence to be untenable. _______________ Science can find no such thing. Science...
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Religious people are always trying to claim that science proves their religion is true. This is true of atheists as much as it is of theists. More so, maybe. ....
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I think it is a mistake to assume historical stoic figures would have adopted a secular view of life had they had access to modern scientific knowledge. How...
Kevin
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... untenable. ... wishing ... establishing causal ... particular ... big ... about frame ... starting ... in, and ... framework of ... these rules ... cannot...
Anthony Callan
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Tony wrote: I feel a little like Richard Rorty here. I want to eliminate any distinctions between science and philosophy. Both are different tools but they are...
Malcolm Schosha
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Thank you Malcolm. I see, and agree, with what you mean about science being indifferent to the pursuit of virtue. I personally would see science as a...
Anthony Callan
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... But I think what Malcolm is saying is: 'how can science inform our ethics so that we are better able to pursue a virtuous life'? How does science have...
Grant Sterling
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... From: Anthony Callan <vtcallan@...> Subject: [stoics] Re: science and philosophy To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 2, 2008, 2:04 PM Thank...
Malcolm Schosha
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... But I think what Malcolm is saying is: 'how can science inform our ethics so that we are better able to pursue a virtuous life'? How does science have...
Malcolm Schosha
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... With this I completely agree--the heart of Stoicism is its ethics [not that the Stoics didn't say many interesting things about other subjects, but it is...
Grant Sterling
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From what it's worth, I agree with what Malcolm said, that philosophy teaches us what is a virtuous life, while science explains how the universe...
Amos
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May 2, 2008
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... with ... and ... I'm ... use ... Free ... even ... would ... it's ... As you may probably gather, I do not wish to use science in the ordinary sense....
Anthony Callan
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... I am a religious person, and I am not always trying to claim that science proves my religion to be true. Your assertion is therefore false. Has any...
Keith Seddon
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May 2, 2008
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I thought Malcolm made an obvious typo which you may have overlooked. I thought he intended to write "I do NOT see just what it is that scientific method can...
gich2
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May 3, 2008
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... I don't recall you contributing, so you may have missed the thread that began in January entitled "Consciousness" which revolved around the free Open...
gich2
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Gich, You are right. I have a dream that someday I will manag to send a message to the list that does not contain some such mistake, or a typo. Malcolm --- On...
Malcolm Schosha
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... Biological Naturalism which (quite briefly) states that consciousness is a feature that emerges from certain (as of yet unknown) neuronal activities. It is...
Anthony Callan
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Keith wrote: I am a religious person ................................... Hi Keith, That's interesting. Just which religion are you practicing? Malcolm --- On...
Malcolm Schosha
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Helloes. I recently joined this group, some of you may remember my absolutely enormous introduction post. I am but a high school student, and the lingo of this...
Anthony
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... the lingo of this place threatens to make my head explode every time I try to understand a post. Is there any place that explains stoicism with smaller...
Keith Seddon
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Hello Keith In your document dated 20 February 2005, which I downloaded some time ago, you write "Please do not copy these files to anyone else without...
gich2
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Hi Keith, Of course, it all depends upon what we understand by "religion" and "science," but in your own country in the late 18th and early 19th century there...
jan.garrett
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A couple more reflections stimulated by the Michael Ruse book Darwin and Design already mentioned in my recent response to Keith. Darwin himself apparently did...
jan.garrett
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The split between science and philosophy advocated by some is actually rather un-Stoic, if we go by what we know about the early Stoics. I suspect it is even...
jan.garrett
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Jan, It is possible to talk about this using either modern terminology, or using Stoic terminology, but not both at once. I think it is clear that if words...
Malcolm Schosha
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All, If I may interject I have an interest in evolution, I thought this may be a good place to insert my thoughts and questions on the matter. I often see the...
Kevin
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Given your interest in evolution, Kevin, you ought to find the Michael Ruse book of interest. For instance, on p. 158 he describes how Mendelian genetics,...
jan.garrett
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... I agree--the point of using the word 'random', or speaking of 'chance', as I see it, is to deny that there is a purpose, plan, or design involved in the...
Grant Sterling
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Jan: It's true, as you say, that social psychology can help to draw up better laws and public policies, but can it tell us what is virtuous? Social...
Amos
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